The Ukraine is in a tight spot

swordfish wrote:

My own country, the so called global leader of Democracy did that to its people last week peacefully protesting bud so I can’t say it’s very...

My own country, the so called global leader of Democracy did that to its people last week peacefully protesting bud so I can’t say it’s very shocking.

IanMac138 wrote:

Protestors illegally blocking major transportation lines is a lot different than peacefully protesting an illegal invasion. Whataboutism's are annoying. And I'm sure every Canadian protestor who...

Protestors illegally blocking major transportation lines is a lot different than peacefully protesting an illegal invasion. Whataboutism's are annoying. And I'm sure every Canadian protestor who got arrested in Canada got a little fine and were out of detention within 12 hours...in Russia these people are going to be put in prison or worse and have all of their assets stripped. Big difference.

swordfish wrote:

Oh are they? You know that? I guess you’re on the ground level with them. Assumptions are as bad as whataboutisms😉😉 Canadians were protesting about a...

Oh are they? You know that? I guess you’re on the ground level with them. Assumptions are as bad as whataboutisms😉😉
Canadians were protesting about a war being waged in them by their democratic government.

swordfish wrote:

Oh are they? You know that? I guess you’re on the ground level with them. Assumptions are as bad as whataboutisms😉😉 Canadians were protesting about a...

Oh are they? You know that? I guess you’re on the ground level with them. Assumptions are as bad as whataboutisms😉😉
Canadians were protesting about a war being waged in them by their democratic government.

TXDirt wrote:

Three facts in chronological order, when combined together, are pretty compelling if you are not the type that totes whatever water the news tells you too...

Three facts in chronological order, when combined together, are pretty compelling if you are not the type that totes whatever water the news tells you too:

1. The current Ukrainian government is only 8 years old, and took power by overthrowing the previous regime during a violent revolution in 2014.

You may not have heard much about it at the time because it was sparsely covered by the fake news organizations, as the incoming regime was seen as favorable to the swamp.

Prior to even that, Ukraine was a member of the Soviet Union for nearly 75 years. Nowhere during any of these did anyone give two poops about the Ukrainian people, their suffering or internal strifes amongst themselves and Russia, or any impact it had on the six inches in front of your face as an American.

2. From 2015-2020, the “Big Guy” Joe Biden received millions from Ukrainian officials via his son Hunter Biden in exchange for political favor in currying favor against Russia.

3. As of today, you can’t look anywhere on social media or TV without being bombarded by news propaganda about Ukraine being invaded and every talking head bending over backwards trying to convince us “Why the Ukraine is so important” as they build a favorable consensus for us to enter into a situation where American lives will be lost to protect Joe Biden’s personal business interests.

Fake news never lets a tragedy go to waste, and with the favorite whipping boy of Covid losing steam and hurting them in the polls, they are seizing upon this event and projecting it as being suddenly super relevant to American interests, when really it shouldn’t be. They’ll redirect focus off the bungling of Covid, everyone already forgot about Afghanistan, and they’ll blame inflation and the souring economy on Russia, Russia, Russia instead of where the blame truly belongs.

TXDirt wrote:

Three facts in chronological order, when combined together, are pretty compelling if you are not the type that totes whatever water the news tells you too...

Three facts in chronological order, when combined together, are pretty compelling if you are not the type that totes whatever water the news tells you too:

1. The current Ukrainian government is only 8 years old, and took power by overthrowing the previous regime during a violent revolution in 2014.

You may not have heard much about it at the time because it was sparsely covered by the fake news organizations, as the incoming regime was seen as favorable to the swamp.

Prior to even that, Ukraine was a member of the Soviet Union for nearly 75 years. Nowhere during any of these did anyone give two poops about the Ukrainian people, their suffering or internal strifes amongst themselves and Russia, or any impact it had on the six inches in front of your face as an American.

2. From 2015-2020, the “Big Guy” Joe Biden received millions from Ukrainian officials via his son Hunter Biden in exchange for political favor in currying favor against Russia.

3. As of today, you can’t look anywhere on social media or TV without being bombarded by news propaganda about Ukraine being invaded and every talking head bending over backwards trying to convince us “Why the Ukraine is so important” as they build a favorable consensus for us to enter into a situation where American lives will be lost to protect Joe Biden’s personal business interests.

Fake news never lets a tragedy go to waste, and with the favorite whipping boy of Covid losing steam and hurting them in the polls, they are seizing upon this event and projecting it as being suddenly super relevant to American interests, when really it shouldn’t be. They’ll redirect focus off the bungling of Covid, everyone already forgot about Afghanistan, and they’ll blame inflation and the souring economy on Russia, Russia, Russia instead of where the blame truly belongs.

TXDirt wrote:

Three facts in chronological order, when combined together, are pretty compelling if you are not the type that totes whatever water the news tells you too...

Three facts in chronological order, when combined together, are pretty compelling if you are not the type that totes whatever water the news tells you too:

1. The current Ukrainian government is only 8 years old, and took power by overthrowing the previous regime during a violent revolution in 2014.

You may not have heard much about it at the time because it was sparsely covered by the fake news organizations, as the incoming regime was seen as favorable to the swamp.

Prior to even that, Ukraine was a member of the Soviet Union for nearly 75 years. Nowhere during any of these did anyone give two poops about the Ukrainian people, their suffering or internal strifes amongst themselves and Russia, or any impact it had on the six inches in front of your face as an American.

2. From 2015-2020, the “Big Guy” Joe Biden received millions from Ukrainian officials via his son Hunter Biden in exchange for political favor in currying favor against Russia.

3. As of today, you can’t look anywhere on social media or TV without being bombarded by news propaganda about Ukraine being invaded and every talking head bending over backwards trying to convince us “Why the Ukraine is so important” as they build a favorable consensus for us to enter into a situation where American lives will be lost to protect Joe Biden’s personal business interests.

Fake news never lets a tragedy go to waste, and with the favorite whipping boy of Covid losing steam and hurting them in the polls, they are seizing upon this event and projecting it as being suddenly super relevant to American interests, when really it shouldn’t be. They’ll redirect focus off the bungling of Covid, everyone already forgot about Afghanistan, and they’ll blame inflation and the souring economy on Russia, Russia, Russia instead of where the blame truly belongs.

MO 23 wrote:

It sounds like you think Russia going into Ukraine is fine? No civilized country (or individual) should be ok with what is happening. come on man...

It sounds like you think Russia going into Ukraine is fine?

No civilized country (or individual) should be ok with what is happening. come on man

Nobody is saying that NATO is going to send troops, but surely you can see that very few people in Ukraine want to have Russia taking over their country.
Just because Biden condemns it, does that mean you automatically think that it must be a good thing?

Lets put the left vs right domestic bullshit aside. Russia invading a sovereign country (no matter how questionable their democratic "chops" because they were sliding more to the west is unacceptable. FULL STOP

They are not a NATO country, so no the west should not send troops to defend them, but peace in Europe benefits us all. and some things are just not right.

And I dont like Biden either, but stop with the bullshit like "as they build a favorable consensus for us to enter into a situation where American lives will be lost to protect Joe Biden’s personal business interests"
Consiracies like that are garbage, and I said the same about the conspiracies of Russia having Trump in their pocket

Whose side are some of you guys on?

F**king hell, if somebody farted in an elevator, most of you guys would turn it into the Republican vs Democrat conspiracy rant. the obsession with left vs right is blinding to some of you.

TXDirt wrote:

Three facts in chronological order, when combined together, are pretty compelling if you are not the type that totes whatever water the news tells you too...

Three facts in chronological order, when combined together, are pretty compelling if you are not the type that totes whatever water the news tells you too:

1. The current Ukrainian government is only 8 years old, and took power by overthrowing the previous regime during a violent revolution in 2014.

You may not have heard much about it at the time because it was sparsely covered by the fake news organizations, as the incoming regime was seen as favorable to the swamp.

Prior to even that, Ukraine was a member of the Soviet Union for nearly 75 years. Nowhere during any of these did anyone give two poops about the Ukrainian people, their suffering or internal strifes amongst themselves and Russia, or any impact it had on the six inches in front of your face as an American.

2. From 2015-2020, the “Big Guy” Joe Biden received millions from Ukrainian officials via his son Hunter Biden in exchange for political favor in currying favor against Russia.

3. As of today, you can’t look anywhere on social media or TV without being bombarded by news propaganda about Ukraine being invaded and every talking head bending over backwards trying to convince us “Why the Ukraine is so important” as they build a favorable consensus for us to enter into a situation where American lives will be lost to protect Joe Biden’s personal business interests.

Fake news never lets a tragedy go to waste, and with the favorite whipping boy of Covid losing steam and hurting them in the polls, they are seizing upon this event and projecting it as being suddenly super relevant to American interests, when really it shouldn’t be. They’ll redirect focus off the bungling of Covid, everyone already forgot about Afghanistan, and they’ll blame inflation and the souring economy on Russia, Russia, Russia instead of where the blame truly belongs.

IanMac138 wrote:

Soooo you're telling me you're Pro-Russia. Got it.

TeamGreen wrote:

In ‘14…Obama held the door open for Vlad while he took Crimea AND shot down an airliner…. In ‘22…Joe’s holding the door for Vlad as he...

In ‘14…Obama held the door open for Vlad while he took Crimea AND shot down an airliner….

In ‘22…Joe’s holding the door for Vlad as he TAKES the Ukraine. Wholesale INVASION of the ENTIRE COUNTRY.

The Messaging from Weak Liberals seems to lead to Vlad taking what he wants. Meanwhile, and this is obvious from historical review…none of this went down on The Orange Guy’s Watch.

BMSOBx2 wrote:

You were expecting NATO to defend a non-NATO country or is logic too much to ask? Who tried to destroy our NATO alliance altogether?

swordfish wrote:

Logic is something missing from a lot of posters here asking why the West is not doing anything. Maybe you should go over my posts carefully...

Logic is something missing from a lot of posters here asking why the West is not doing anything. Maybe you should go over my posts carefully again…I think I’ve been pretty clear that A. Nobody can do anything. B. Nobody will do anything.

BMSOBx2 wrote:

If that's the case then why are you asking where the US and NATO are?

early wrote:

Totally predictable that all the Freedom Lovers who hold The Right To Bear Arms above all else are ok with Ukraine either being left defenseless against...

Totally predictable that all the Freedom Lovers who hold The Right To Bear Arms above all else are ok with Ukraine either being left defenseless against their neighboring psychopath or to be taken over and their democratic freedom rejected by their neighboring psychopath. It's all just a show, always have been.

Good to know who's actually on the side of freedom, democracy, and the right to defend themselves.

TXDirt wrote:

Three facts in chronological order, when combined together, are pretty compelling if you are not the type that totes whatever water the news tells you too...

Three facts in chronological order, when combined together, are pretty compelling if you are not the type that totes whatever water the news tells you too:

1. The current Ukrainian government is only 8 years old, and took power by overthrowing the previous regime during a violent revolution in 2014.

You may not have heard much about it at the time because it was sparsely covered by the fake news organizations, as the incoming regime was seen as favorable to the swamp.

Prior to even that, Ukraine was a member of the Soviet Union for nearly 75 years. Nowhere during any of these did anyone give two poops about the Ukrainian people, their suffering or internal strifes amongst themselves and Russia, or any impact it had on the six inches in front of your face as an American.

2. From 2015-2020, the “Big Guy” Joe Biden received millions from Ukrainian officials via his son Hunter Biden in exchange for political favor in currying favor against Russia.

3. As of today, you can’t look anywhere on social media or TV without being bombarded by news propaganda about Ukraine being invaded and every talking head bending over backwards trying to convince us “Why the Ukraine is so important” as they build a favorable consensus for us to enter into a situation where American lives will be lost to protect Joe Biden’s personal business interests.

Fake news never lets a tragedy go to waste, and with the favorite whipping boy of Covid losing steam and hurting them in the polls, they are seizing upon this event and projecting it as being suddenly super relevant to American interests, when really it shouldn’t be. They’ll redirect focus off the bungling of Covid, everyone already forgot about Afghanistan, and they’ll blame inflation and the souring economy on Russia, Russia, Russia instead of where the blame truly belongs.

IanMac138 wrote:

Soooo you're telling me you're Pro-Russia. Got it.

TXDirt wrote:

You need reading comprehension skills if you think the takeaway from that is that I’m “pro Russia”.

Good lord…..

TeamGreen wrote:

In ‘14…Obama held the door open for Vlad while he took Crimea AND shot down an airliner…. In ‘22…Joe’s holding the door for Vlad as he...

In ‘14…Obama held the door open for Vlad while he took Crimea AND shot down an airliner….

In ‘22…Joe’s holding the door for Vlad as he TAKES the Ukraine. Wholesale INVASION of the ENTIRE COUNTRY.

The Messaging from Weak Liberals seems to lead to Vlad taking what he wants. Meanwhile, and this is obvious from historical review…none of this went down on The Orange Guy’s Watch.

BMSOBx2 wrote:

All the orange guy did was try to break up NATO and piss off our allies in Europe giving Vlad the opportunity he needed.

swordfish wrote:

Oh are they? You know that? I guess you’re on the ground level with them. Assumptions are as bad as whataboutisms😉😉 Canadians were protesting about a...

Oh are they? You know that? I guess you’re on the ground level with them. Assumptions are as bad as whataboutisms😉😉
Canadians were protesting about a war being waged in them by their democratic government.

early wrote:

You wouldn't last 2 minutes in a real war against the Ukrainians

IanMac138 wrote:

Protestors illegally blocking major transportation lines is a lot different than peacefully protesting an illegal invasion. Whataboutism's are annoying. And I'm sure every Canadian protestor who...

Protestors illegally blocking major transportation lines is a lot different than peacefully protesting an illegal invasion. Whataboutism's are annoying. And I'm sure every Canadian protestor who got arrested in Canada got a little fine and were out of detention within 12 hours...in Russia these people are going to be put in prison or worse and have all of their assets stripped. Big difference.

IanMac138 wrote:

Protestors illegally blocking major transportation lines is a lot different than peacefully protesting an illegal invasion. Whataboutism's are annoying. And I'm sure every Canadian protestor who...

Protestors illegally blocking major transportation lines is a lot different than peacefully protesting an illegal invasion. Whataboutism's are annoying. And I'm sure every Canadian protestor who got arrested in Canada got a little fine and were out of detention within 12 hours...in Russia these people are going to be put in prison or worse and have all of their assets stripped. Big difference.

lestat wrote:

Just a small fyi but some of the protesters were denied bail and are still in jail .

TeamGreen wrote:

In ‘14…Obama held the door open for Vlad while he took Crimea AND shot down an airliner…. In ‘22…Joe’s holding the door for Vlad as he...

In ‘14…Obama held the door open for Vlad while he took Crimea AND shot down an airliner….

In ‘22…Joe’s holding the door for Vlad as he TAKES the Ukraine. Wholesale INVASION of the ENTIRE COUNTRY.

The Messaging from Weak Liberals seems to lead to Vlad taking what he wants. Meanwhile, and this is obvious from historical review…none of this went down on The Orange Guy’s Watch.

BMSOBx2 wrote:

All the orange guy did was try to break up NATO and piss off our allies in Europe giving Vlad the opportunity he needed.

swordfish wrote:

It would be really enlightening if you could explain how Orangeman gave Russia this opportunity. I don’t know anything about this. I’d be grateful if you...

It would be really enlightening if you could explain how Orangeman gave Russia this opportunity. I don’t know anything about this. I’d be grateful if you could point me to a good reference.

swordfish wrote:

Oh are they? You know that? I guess you’re on the ground level with them. Assumptions are as bad as whataboutisms😉😉 Canadians were protesting about a...

Oh are they? You know that? I guess you’re on the ground level with them. Assumptions are as bad as whataboutisms😉😉
Canadians were protesting about a war being waged in them by their democratic government.

early wrote:

You wouldn't last 2 minutes in a real war against the Ukrainians

GeorgiePorgie wrote:

right, the idea was for america to not have to foot the entire bill. Like hey, yall got membership, pay up. No need for america to...

right, the idea was for america to not have to foot the entire bill. Like hey, yall got membership, pay up. No need for america to pay disproportionately and supply the bodys and equipment when shit hits the fan.

TeamGreen wrote:

Whoa! As a civilian that’s “worked in the field” a bit, I’ve gotta ask: what’s your experience or knowledge? The Shield? The Storm? Op Iraqi Freedom?