Will Suzuki update the RM-Z in 2023?

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Grouper 2/22/2022 11:07am
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I love my RMZ, but I wish it had a e-start. It's not a luxury anymore. Its good tech. It's tech that justifies itself, in spite...
I love my RMZ, but I wish it had a e-start. It's not a luxury anymore. Its good tech. It's tech that justifies itself, in spite of the weight.





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How?
Titan1 wrote:
The same reason the e-start on my cars justify themselves...sure, the cars could have a hand crank on the front of the motor, save weight, be...
The same reason the e-start on my cars justify themselves...sure, the cars could have a hand crank on the front of the motor, save weight, be more reliable (no starter to go out, and if the battery dies you could still start your car)....but I assume you wouldn't want to go back to that?
You’re beyond help.
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Grouper wrote:
Can someone give me a real reason why they need it to have an electric start? More weight, center of gravity height increase, increased chance of...
Can someone give me a real reason why they need it to have an electric start? More weight, center of gravity height increase, increased chance of failure, you have to kick it like you have your whole life unless this is your first year riding.

Not to mention, my RM-Z never started on the second kick. Always first. I'm failing to see why this makes everyone cry.
Forty wrote:
I love my RMZ, but I wish it had a e-start. It's not a luxury anymore. Its good tech. It's tech that justifies itself, in spite...
I love my RMZ, but I wish it had a e-start. It's not a luxury anymore. Its good tech. It's tech that justifies itself, in spite of the weight.





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How?
Button make engine start. Vroom vroom.
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AH387 2/22/2022 11:11am
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Grouper wrote:
I don’t have an RMZ.

Still waiting for an answer to my original question.
Your post above said your RMZ starts first kick, so that's what I am going off of.

And to answer your question, public demand. It's that simple. People want the convenience of it.
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McG194 wrote:
Why do people say stuff like this? If you haven't noticed, we are in boom times for motorcycles right now. As far as someone like Roczen...
Why do people say stuff like this?

If you haven't noticed, we are in boom times for motorcycles right now.


As far as someone like Roczen not signing with HEP, all it takes is Suzuki to decide they want to back them like Yamaha does with Star. Suzuki isn't some kind of boutique brand, and they sell a lot more than dirt bikes. If you doubt they have deep enough pockets go to their Wikipedia page and look at their income.
I know Suzuki has deep enough pockets and could pay whoever they want whatever needed to make it happen. I just don't believe they will... and don't believe that even if they did it would be with HEP. Again nothing against HEP, they have done awesome things so far as a team but they do not have the proven track record to be the home of a Suzuki comeback.

Also if Suzuki was pushing for said comeback I am pretty sure we would see them involved in the Japan nationals at a minimum and more than likely the MXGP series as well.

I do believe a new RMZ is coming and HEP will again get increased support, the the full come back story doesn't add up quite yet. Hopeful it'll happen, just doubtful that the time is now. If it is then Kudos to them and I will eat my words but based on the past no manufacturer has been this good at keeping things this much under wraps.

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H.E.penyypacker432 2/22/2022 11:14am
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Grouper wrote:
You’re beyond help.
You’re just being an asshole at this point. If you can’t figure out why the RMZ needs electric start that’s on you. Also, a hot start button?? What year are you in?

It’s common sense to put an E start on a bike now. Shit even 110’s have E start now. It’s 2022. Evolve.
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Grouper 2/22/2022 11:14am
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Grouper wrote:
I don’t have an RMZ.

Still waiting for an answer to my original question.
AH387 wrote:
Your post above said your RMZ starts first kick, so that's what I am going off of. And to answer your question, public demand. It's that...
Your post above said your RMZ starts first kick, so that's what I am going off of.

And to answer your question, public demand. It's that simple. People want the convenience of it.
Question is “why” it is needed. I’m still waiting to see the inherent benefits of adding it to a racing machine. Convenience ≠ performance.
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Grouper 2/22/2022 11:15am
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Grouper wrote:
You’re beyond help.
H.E.penyypacker432 wrote:
You’re just being an asshole at this point. If you can’t figure out why the RMZ needs electric start that’s on you. Also, a hot start...
You’re just being an asshole at this point. If you can’t figure out why the RMZ needs electric start that’s on you. Also, a hot start button?? What year are you in?

It’s common sense to put an E start on a bike now. Shit even 110’s have E start now. It’s 2022. Evolve.
You need to evolve to a state where disagreements don’t cause you to name call lol😂😂
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Can Roczen still command a salary like he's had in the past? He's gotta be pretty cushy, so I doubt it matters to him, but you...
Can Roczen still command a salary like he's had in the past?

He's gotta be pretty cushy, so I doubt it matters to him, but you need results to get the big money when your contract is up surely?
He absolutely will be taking a pay cut next year wherever he rides and for good reason in my opinion. In my opinion though he will not accept enough of a cut to ride for HEP Suzuki. See my post above for more reasoning on that thought. But if i had to predict, he will take a pay cut and go to KTM (and keep his redbull deal) or they iron things out at Honda and he stays but also with a pay cut OR if the pay cut is too large he will just hang up the boots. He doesn't seem to want it bad enough (even has said in interviews this year that he doesn't need to do this anymore) to ride for very little money.

Again more than willing to eat my words if proven wrong, just spewing my opinion right now.
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AH387 2/22/2022 11:25am
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Grouper wrote:
Question is “why” it is needed. I’m still waiting to see the inherent benefits of adding it to a racing machine. Convenience ≠ performance.
I feel like this has been covered a million times. I can't speak for everyone but for me I think it's much better when recovering from a crash. I can't tell you how many times I've crashed in mud or in a weird spot in deep ruts or even off the track on uneven ground and it's a pain in the ass to try to kick a bike over when you don't have good footing (especially a 450.) This past year at the Vet National I crashed in a really wet part of the track at High Point, on a hill. I had the bike started before I even got back onto it and was on my way. It's much better than kicking on teh side of a steep hill in deep mud.
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H.E.penyypacker432 2/22/2022 11:28am
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Grouper wrote:
You need to evolve to a state where disagreements don’t cause you to name call lol😂😂
Just pointing out facts. People are giving you answers and you’re being an *asshole* back. No need for it. Take your answers and move on
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Dirty Points 2/22/2022 11:28am
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Grouper wrote:
You’re beyond help.
H.E.penyypacker432 wrote:
You’re just being an asshole at this point. If you can’t figure out why the RMZ needs electric start that’s on you. Also, a hot start...
You’re just being an asshole at this point. If you can’t figure out why the RMZ needs electric start that’s on you. Also, a hot start button?? What year are you in?

It’s common sense to put an E start on a bike now. Shit even 110’s have E start now. It’s 2022. Evolve.
To be fair, 110s have had e-start since before mxers.
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Grouper 2/22/2022 11:29am
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Grouper wrote:
Question is “why” it is needed. I’m still waiting to see the inherent benefits of adding it to a racing machine. Convenience ≠ performance.
AH387 wrote:
I feel like this has been covered a million times. I can't speak for everyone but for me I think it's much better when recovering from...
I feel like this has been covered a million times. I can't speak for everyone but for me I think it's much better when recovering from a crash. I can't tell you how many times I've crashed in mud or in a weird spot in deep ruts or even off the track on uneven ground and it's a pain in the ass to try to kick a bike over when you don't have good footing (especially a 450.) This past year at the Vet National I crashed in a really wet part of the track at High Point, on a hill. I had the bike started before I even got back onto it and was on my way. It's much better than kicking on teh side of a steep hill in deep mud.
So it’s bonus for vet riders. So is soft valving and a kick stand though. So I’m failing to see how the e start is always at the top of the list when the RMZ needs frame and engine tweaks and a good diet to be a competitive motocross bike.
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Grouper 2/22/2022 11:30am
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Grouper wrote:
You need to evolve to a state where disagreements don’t cause you to name call lol😂😂
H.E.penyypacker432 wrote:
Just pointing out facts. People are giving you answers and you’re being an *asshole* back. No need for it. Take your answers and move on
They aren’t answers. I’m being serious and you’re being a total femboy about it.
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Their US numbers are shocking to see. The RMZ numbers are so low it’s got to be close to not worth producing. I’ve watched their US sake plummet and I thought they had hit a bottom but 2021 was off another 40%. Let that sink in for a minute. So they are now behind BMW in US sales and if the ship is not righted they are close to falling behind Triumph. I can’t know for sure but I’m pretty sure that Sherco possibly sold more dirt bikes than Suzuki in the US. For sure Beta did.
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AH387 2/22/2022 11:31am
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Grouper wrote:
So it’s bonus for vet riders. So is soft valving and a kick stand though. So I’m failing to see how the e start is always...
So it’s bonus for vet riders. So is soft valving and a kick stand though. So I’m failing to see how the e start is always at the top of the list when the RMZ needs frame and engine tweaks and a good diet to be a competitive motocross bike.
Lol ok. Well have fun trolling, man.
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Dirty Points 2/22/2022 11:32am
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Grouper wrote:
Question is “why” it is needed. I’m still waiting to see the inherent benefits of adding it to a racing machine. Convenience ≠ performance.
AH387 wrote:
I feel like this has been covered a million times. I can't speak for everyone but for me I think it's much better when recovering from...
I feel like this has been covered a million times. I can't speak for everyone but for me I think it's much better when recovering from a crash. I can't tell you how many times I've crashed in mud or in a weird spot in deep ruts or even off the track on uneven ground and it's a pain in the ass to try to kick a bike over when you don't have good footing (especially a 450.) This past year at the Vet National I crashed in a really wet part of the track at High Point, on a hill. I had the bike started before I even got back onto it and was on my way. It's much better than kicking on teh side of a steep hill in deep mud.
Grouper wrote:
So it’s bonus for vet riders. So is soft valving and a kick stand though. So I’m failing to see how the e start is always...
So it’s bonus for vet riders. So is soft valving and a kick stand though. So I’m failing to see how the e start is always at the top of the list when the RMZ needs frame and engine tweaks and a good diet to be a competitive motocross bike.
For the average rider over the course of many events, I bet the e-start will gain them more net positions than any other improvement.
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H.E.penyypacker432 2/22/2022 11:37am
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Grouper wrote:
They aren’t answers. I’m being serious and you’re being a total femboy about it.
You’re just a troll. You’ve gotten legitimate answers over and over.
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dcg141 2/22/2022 11:42am
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Your not going to sell bikes wo e start anymore in acceptable numbers. It’s just not going to happen no matter how you feel about it.
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Grouper 2/22/2022 12:06pm
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Grouper wrote:
They aren’t answers. I’m being serious and you’re being a total femboy about it.
H.E.penyypacker432 wrote:
You’re just a troll. You’ve gotten legitimate answers over and over.
My original question was

“ Can someone give me a real reason why they need it to have an electric start?”

I want legit performance reasons that you all demand electric start out of a bike. So far I have gotten “it’s 2022”, “I like it”, “cars have electric start and AC”.

These are illogical and don’t make any sense. They are not answers. You, however, are a true product of the modern age. You cry and name call when someone pushes back at your sacred commentary. Get your test levels checked, you act feminine.
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AH387 wrote:
I feel like this has been covered a million times. I can't speak for everyone but for me I think it's much better when recovering from...
I feel like this has been covered a million times. I can't speak for everyone but for me I think it's much better when recovering from a crash. I can't tell you how many times I've crashed in mud or in a weird spot in deep ruts or even off the track on uneven ground and it's a pain in the ass to try to kick a bike over when you don't have good footing (especially a 450.) This past year at the Vet National I crashed in a really wet part of the track at High Point, on a hill. I had the bike started before I even got back onto it and was on my way. It's much better than kicking on teh side of a steep hill in deep mud.
Grouper wrote:
So it’s bonus for vet riders. So is soft valving and a kick stand though. So I’m failing to see how the e start is always...
So it’s bonus for vet riders. So is soft valving and a kick stand though. So I’m failing to see how the e start is always at the top of the list when the RMZ needs frame and engine tweaks and a good diet to be a competitive motocross bike.
Dirty Points wrote:
For the average rider over the course of many events, I bet the e-start will gain them more net positions than any other improvement.
Alright I can get down with that. I may not totally agree from a personal standpoint but in a broad sense that’s probably fairly accurate.
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Grouper wrote:
Can someone give me a real reason why they need it to have an electric start? More weight, center of gravity height increase, increased chance of...
Can someone give me a real reason why they need it to have an electric start? More weight, center of gravity height increase, increased chance of failure, you have to kick it like you have your whole life unless this is your first year riding.

Not to mention, my RM-Z never started on the second kick. Always first. I'm failing to see why this makes everyone cry.
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I love my RMZ, but I wish it had a e-start. It's not a luxury anymore. Its good tech. It's tech that justifies itself, in spite...
I love my RMZ, but I wish it had a e-start. It's not a luxury anymore. Its good tech. It's tech that justifies itself, in spite of the weight.





Grouper wrote:
How?
clearly you don't ride dirt bikes...
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Forty wrote:
I love my RMZ, but I wish it had a e-start. It's not a luxury anymore. Its good tech. It's tech that justifies itself, in spite...
I love my RMZ, but I wish it had a e-start. It's not a luxury anymore. Its good tech. It's tech that justifies itself, in spite of the weight.





Grouper wrote:
How?
fourfourone wrote:
clearly you don't ride dirt bikes...
Please elaborate lol
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Grouper wrote:
How?
fourfourone wrote:
clearly you don't ride dirt bikes...
Grouper wrote:
Please elaborate lol
No need to elaborate. My sentence was crystal clear. Dry
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fourfourone wrote:
clearly you don't ride dirt bikes...
Grouper wrote:
Please elaborate lol
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No need to elaborate. My sentence was crystal clear. Dry
The sentence was, sure.

Your point? Not so much. Dry
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fourfourone 2/22/2022 12:24pm
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Grouper wrote:
Please elaborate lol
fourfourone wrote:
No need to elaborate. My sentence was crystal clear. Dry
Grouper wrote:
The sentence was, sure.

Your point? Not so much. Dry
High five internet troll.
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LouisianaMotocross 2/22/2022 12:37pm
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Grouper wrote:
You need to evolve to a state where disagreements don’t cause you to name call lol😂😂
H.E.penyypacker432 wrote:
Just pointing out facts. People are giving you answers and you’re being an *asshole* back. No need for it. Take your answers and move on
Grouper wrote:
They aren’t answers. I’m being serious and you’re being a total femboy about it.
You didn't watch A class at lorettas last year did you? Preston would of podiumed the last moto in 250 pro sport last year if he didn't' have to kick the rmz. He stalled in the corner before the finish. It took him 25-30 seconds to get the bike running. It flat out is a performance issues when stalling or tip over and you have to kick and I get to press a button. I am sure you will discount that but that is a real example that happened. He ended up finishing 5th that moto when he easily could of got 1st or 2nd.
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H.E.penyypacker432 wrote:
Just pointing out facts. People are giving you answers and you’re being an *asshole* back. No need for it. Take your answers and move on
Grouper wrote:
They aren’t answers. I’m being serious and you’re being a total femboy about it.
LouisianaMotocross wrote:
You didn't watch A class at lorettas last year did you? Preston would of podiumed the last moto in 250 pro sport last year if he...
You didn't watch A class at lorettas last year did you? Preston would of podiumed the last moto in 250 pro sport last year if he didn't' have to kick the rmz. He stalled in the corner before the finish. It took him 25-30 seconds to get the bike running. It flat out is a performance issues when stalling or tip over and you have to kick and I get to press a button. I am sure you will discount that but that is a real example that happened. He ended up finishing 5th that moto when he easily could of got 1st or 2nd.
You’re sure I’ll find a way to discount that? Why did you say that?
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LouisianaMotocross 2/22/2022 12:40pm
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Grouper wrote:
They aren’t answers. I’m being serious and you’re being a total femboy about it.
LouisianaMotocross wrote:
You didn't watch A class at lorettas last year did you? Preston would of podiumed the last moto in 250 pro sport last year if he...
You didn't watch A class at lorettas last year did you? Preston would of podiumed the last moto in 250 pro sport last year if he didn't' have to kick the rmz. He stalled in the corner before the finish. It took him 25-30 seconds to get the bike running. It flat out is a performance issues when stalling or tip over and you have to kick and I get to press a button. I am sure you will discount that but that is a real example that happened. He ended up finishing 5th that moto when he easily could of got 1st or 2nd.
Grouper wrote:
You’re sure I’ll find a way to discount that? Why did you say that?
So you admit in the situation the e-start was a performance upgrade over kicking? I mean, I don't see how you couldn't admit it, just curious.
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Grouper wrote:
Question is “why” it is needed. I’m still waiting to see the inherent benefits of adding it to a racing machine. Convenience ≠ performance.
In a heat race a few years back there was a pile up in the first corner. Everyone got up and rode off except the Suzukis that were kicking, and kicking, and kicking, while the race went on without them. It should have been an embarrassing moment for Suzuki, the guys in the TV booth were making jokes about it on live TV. In that moment, would you not agree having the button would be a performance benefit?

Chris Wheeler said Suzuki R&D (R.I.P.) had been asking for electric start dating back to 2011-2012, but could not get support from the mother ship. All resources were going to MotoGP.
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PDUB481 wrote:
Suzuki is making another come back, just like when they signed RC
BobPA wrote:
They picked the absolute worst time for a come back...
McG194 wrote:
Why do people say stuff like this? If you haven't noticed, we are in boom times for motorcycles right now. As far as someone like Roczen...
Why do people say stuff like this?

If you haven't noticed, we are in boom times for motorcycles right now.


As far as someone like Roczen not signing with HEP, all it takes is Suzuki to decide they want to back them like Yamaha does with Star. Suzuki isn't some kind of boutique brand, and they sell a lot more than dirt bikes. If you doubt they have deep enough pockets go to their Wikipedia page and look at their income.
That could neeeeever happen….O wait Roczen already rode for H&H Suzuki. O, and also won a championship Smile
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