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And I didn't say Grant was a bad person...I believe I said "wanna be" about a million times in this thread ("wanna be" means he's not, but wants people to think he is)...I just said I don't like his image, and think it isn't going to help attract corporate america sponsors that aren't looking at the demographic that that appeals too (and that is most of corporate america). Yes, there are corporate america sponsors that are interested in that image...but there are far more corporate america sponsors that aren't. And that's the important part of my point.
And since it seems most on here think MX "needs" all types of images in the sport, then you also have to admit that it also needs fans that look for all types of images. And I hate to say it to you all, but there are FAR more people in this country that look for and respect the clean cut image than that don't. That is a no brainer. So if you all "wanna hate on me" because I'm one of the majority that just plain doesn't appreciate the wanna be bad ass image, then I guess I'm in good company. But go ahead an alienate people like me from the sport and see what happens to it.
There are more companies in corporate america that don't arent' looking for that image than that do.
There are more people in america that don't appreciate/like that image than that do.
So if MX wants to grow and truly become "mainstream", the stars of the sport-and the image of the sport in general-are going to have to appeal to the widest range of corporate america companies and the widest range of the american public as possible.
And since most people in the country, and most of corporate america DON'T want/like/appreicate that image...if MX wants to grow and become "mainstream" then the "wanna be bad ass" image isn't he way to go.
MX already has huge obsticals (that other sports don't have) it has to overcome before it can become "mainstream", and that image isn't speeding the process up at all.
Oh, and about Denny...he's getting his ass kissed right now like every other industry name gets (it's sad really)....nothing more nothing less. And yeah, he knows more about the subject than I do...but he gets paid to do that shit, he's SUPPOSED TOO.
But patting him on the back and him celebrating that he knows more about it than me is like Kobe Bryant going down to the local LA highschool and playing point gaurd in a game and then celebrating every time he scores a point like it's the NBA finals...and then his "hangers on" patting him on the back because he's better than the high school kids. It's just stupid. He's Kobe Bryant, he's supposed to be better than the kids on the high school team
And that brings up another pet peeve of mine...industry people posting on the message boards....why would they do that? It's just as stupid as Kobe going down and playing in a high school game...and I've already elaborated the huge down side...so I won't do it again. I'd just prefer if industry people left the message boards to the normal folk. But then again, most are ex-racers that at one time were having people kiss there asses all day...and since their out of the spotlight, they'll take any chance they can get to have their asses kissed again (can't say I blame them, I know I'd do the same thing)...anyway, the less industry folks on the message boards the better, IN MY OPINION.
Oh, and for the record, brother-in-law almost has his entire torso (back, chest, and stomach) covered in Tats...so, it's not like I'm inherently predjudice against people with tats...I just don't think it's the image MX should market IF the industry wants to become mainstream (if it wants to appeal to the broadest popluation/company base in America).
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keep diggin,,you'll make it out
Ok so you admit he knows more about the subject than you, but you stll want to argue with him?? I don't get it.
And no your wrong again....Message boards are BETTER with industry guys on them. How else are people like you going to get put in your place.
The stuff I've read from Denny has been pretty good and low key. Just like any other guy mostly.
It was only when Titan decided to be a douche that he stepped up his game.
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But there is no factual evidence that will gaurantee mainstream acceptance of our sport (if there was we'd already be there), so as to what route to take to get there it's all opinion.
My opinion is that the sport needs to market, almost exclusively, the clean cut athletes...his opinion is different. That is what I"m arguing.
And if you want to talk about the message boards, you'll need to start another thread...that is an entirely different subject.
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In fact even after his douchbagery first post, I asked honest questions hoping he'd answer them honestly and he kept on with the "don't question me I'm industry" attitude that I hate so much. So yeah, I got a little smart with him...but I get smart with everyone...
IF he'd had gone about things differently I would have responded to him differently (or not responded to him at all)....
I meant to say "...that don't like/aren't looking..."
Missed a word.
And I'm sure you never have, and never will make a mistake when you post...since you're pointing out other peoples mistakes and all....because it would be hypocritical if otherwise.
I'm with ChrisB...I have no need or desire to kiss someone's ass on here.
Denny is a real insider to this sport and he has been extremely cool IMO. He hasn't blown his own horn about who he knows or talked down to folks in general. He's a good addition to this board IMO.
Heck, I'd be glad to get Larry B's input as well, but, he's got to understand that if he's going to "tell it like it is" he may get called on what he says.
Same with Denny...but, Titan, you got no ammo on this one. It's ok to say YOU don't like tats and gang signs. It's ok for you to say you believe those that rep "thug life" are not the best spokespeople for the sport. That's your opinion. I think you overstepped your opinion into an argument and you don't look too good at this point.
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Maybe you just have an unnecessary "little mans complex" in relation to "industry insiders"?
If Denny wants to tell us all about what sponsors the riders/athletes have, have had in the past, or will have in the future...great...let him do it and nobody will be able to argue contrary (those are facts and he's the expert). But there is no "set in stone" "right way" path to mainstream acceptance (if there was we'd already be there...and nobody could argue it), there are only opinions on what direction the sport should go to get there. so he has his opinion, I have mine. I have facts that support my opinion, he has facts that support his. The essence of a debate.
And just because he's industry, doesn't mean I can't question or argue with him either (and you said the same thing in regards to Larry)...industry folks don't "know all" or are above questioning. They say stuff, they "may get called on what [they] say" (as you said).
Unfortunately for me, I'm arguing with an "industry insider" so of course all the ass kisser are going to take his side (so I don't have public opinion on my side, and it's public opinion, more than anything, that is making me look bad here).
If you take all the garbage out of the debate and look at the facts presented, it's pretty even in my opinion...
I used that as example of me having a relationship with people that have tats, because some posts alluded to the fact that I think all people with tats are bad people...
Let me spell it out for you: My brother in law has tats (lots of them) I love him, respect him, and get along great with him...so that is proof that I don't automatically think all people will tats are bad people.
Get it?
(Sheesh, they'll let anyone in here these days)
He ain't the "know all, end all" when it comes to what direction the sport should go, and therefore he isn't above questioning or disagreeing with (but some of you can't see that because your noses are burried in his butt crack).
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