Effects of fork height vs. triple clamp offset KX450

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I have a 2019 KX450 and want to get it to lay over in corners easier. I have the forks 6mm up in the clamps now. I'm wondering how far I can go before getting negative effects.

I'm also considering 21.5 or 22 mm offset triple clamps. Can anyone approximate the effects of a different clamp vs raising the forks? I know they're not changing the geometry in the same way but I'm trying to decide if I need the clamps to get the cornering feel I'm after. I want the bike to have more of a front end steering feel similar to a Honda. I love everything about the bike but I struggle in tight rutted corners. I've never used an aftermarket clamp.
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Mark3380 wrote:
I have a 2019 KX450 and want to get it to lay over in corners easier. I have the forks 6mm up in the clamps now...
I have a 2019 KX450 and want to get it to lay over in corners easier. I have the forks 6mm up in the clamps now. I'm wondering how far I can go before getting negative effects.

I'm also considering 21.5 or 22 mm offset triple clamps. Can anyone approximate the effects of a different clamp vs raising the forks? I know they're not changing the geometry in the same way but I'm trying to decide if I need the clamps to get the cornering feel I'm after. I want the bike to have more of a front end steering feel similar to a Honda. I love everything about the bike but I struggle in tight rutted corners. I've never used an aftermarket clamp.
Talk to the guy's at Ride Engineering. They seem to be very helpful with questions.
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Mark3380 wrote:
I have a 2019 KX450 and want to get it to lay over in corners easier. I have the forks 6mm up in the clamps now...
I have a 2019 KX450 and want to get it to lay over in corners easier. I have the forks 6mm up in the clamps now. I'm wondering how far I can go before getting negative effects.

I'm also considering 21.5 or 22 mm offset triple clamps. Can anyone approximate the effects of a different clamp vs raising the forks? I know they're not changing the geometry in the same way but I'm trying to decide if I need the clamps to get the cornering feel I'm after. I want the bike to have more of a front end steering feel similar to a Honda. I love everything about the bike but I struggle in tight rutted corners. I've never used an aftermarket clamp.
I recently put the 22 mm RE clamps on my 450 and after the 1st ride with them I can honestly say they helped more that running the forks up high .
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Mark3380 wrote:
I have a 2019 KX450 and want to get it to lay over in corners easier. I have the forks 6mm up in the clamps now...
I have a 2019 KX450 and want to get it to lay over in corners easier. I have the forks 6mm up in the clamps now. I'm wondering how far I can go before getting negative effects.

I'm also considering 21.5 or 22 mm offset triple clamps. Can anyone approximate the effects of a different clamp vs raising the forks? I know they're not changing the geometry in the same way but I'm trying to decide if I need the clamps to get the cornering feel I'm after. I want the bike to have more of a front end steering feel similar to a Honda. I love everything about the bike but I struggle in tight rutted corners. I've never used an aftermarket clamp.
MX558 wrote:
I recently put the 22 mm RE clamps on my 450 and after the 1st ride with them I can honestly say they helped more that...
I recently put the 22 mm RE clamps on my 450 and after the 1st ride with them I can honestly say they helped more that running the forks up high .
Thanks for the reply. Did you try their link also?

After a phone call with Ride, I decided to order the 22mm clamps and the link to try. I was thinking 21.5 but they insisted the 22mm was the right choice for the 19 model.
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I did try the link before the clamps , didn't notice any improvement so I sold it

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Mark3380 wrote:
I have a 2019 KX450 and want to get it to lay over in corners easier. I have the forks 6mm up in the clamps now...
I have a 2019 KX450 and want to get it to lay over in corners easier. I have the forks 6mm up in the clamps now. I'm wondering how far I can go before getting negative effects.

I'm also considering 21.5 or 22 mm offset triple clamps. Can anyone approximate the effects of a different clamp vs raising the forks? I know they're not changing the geometry in the same way but I'm trying to decide if I need the clamps to get the cornering feel I'm after. I want the bike to have more of a front end steering feel similar to a Honda. I love everything about the bike but I struggle in tight rutted corners. I've never used an aftermarket clamp.
What do you weigh, and is your suspension stock?
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Mark3380 wrote:
I have a 2019 KX450 and want to get it to lay over in corners easier. I have the forks 6mm up in the clamps now...
I have a 2019 KX450 and want to get it to lay over in corners easier. I have the forks 6mm up in the clamps now. I'm wondering how far I can go before getting negative effects.

I'm also considering 21.5 or 22 mm offset triple clamps. Can anyone approximate the effects of a different clamp vs raising the forks? I know they're not changing the geometry in the same way but I'm trying to decide if I need the clamps to get the cornering feel I'm after. I want the bike to have more of a front end steering feel similar to a Honda. I love everything about the bike but I struggle in tight rutted corners. I've never used an aftermarket clamp.
Moving the forks in the clamps adjusts the balance of the bike. Weight bias. I run 5mm up, and this is the recommended height by PC. The clamp offset adjusts the the turn in, Shorter offset steepens the angle and brings the front wheel closer to the bike, shortening the wheel base.
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What do you weigh, and is your suspension stock?
I am 205 and have had the suspension resprung and revalved
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What do you weigh, and is your suspension stock?
Mark3380 wrote:
I am 205 and have had the suspension resprung and revalved
Good on you for dialing in suspension first before trying clamps and link; that's a big piece of the 450 puzzle. At 6mm, that's about as much as I'd go on the 19+ chassis. What's your sag set at? Hypothetically, going from 105mm to 102mm (or even as low as 98mm) will help with those tight ruts, though nothing will get it to a similar state as a Honda. Can even go out on fork compression (assuming you aren't too deep now) to help it settle and lower the front end a bit into turns. This chassis likes front brake drag too, initiating and also through turns to keep the front wheel tracking and planted.

Having some time on that chassis, I'd try the free fixes first before resorting to aftermarket clamps/link. Currently running 103/104mm sag with XTrigs in the 23mm stock location (didn't like the 21mm offset for faster SoCal tracks like Glen Helen and Cahuilla Creek), at 3mm fork height. If you do decide on the clamps, aftermarket co's may say that it's their link/clamp combo which yields biggest improvements (and they can be right): Typically, the longer link lowers the rear (taking weight off the front) where the new offset clamps flushed to the first 5mm line (or lower) keep the turning precise. Overall, effectively lowering the bike can help for that feeling you're after, but it isn't cheap. Can't answer your actual question of fork height vs. offset, but hopefully this helps.
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Just wanted to post an update for anyone interested.

I got the Ride Engineering 22mm triple clamps and their rear link. I wanted to try them separately but due to lack of time I installed both at the same time. Went to the track with the forks up 4mm in the clamps because I was a little sceptical about how much difference the clamps would make. Sag was at 102 per Ride's recommendation for the link.

I was surprised! The bike turned much better but the front wheel was nervous at times. Moved the forks down to 2mm and liked the balance of turning and stability. When the track got rough, the bike seemed to soak up bumps better and the rear wheel stayed planted where it would usually get a little loose or swap. I wish I could have tried the parts separately but I have a newborn at home so track time is precious.

Overall, I felt like both parts together improved the front and rear significantly and got the bike much more comfortable for me and allowed me to carry more speed into and through corners. I had been struggling with deep rutted corners. My lap times were about 6 seconds faster than my previous best and had less spread. Previously I was lucky to put together a solid lap without jumping out of a rut or botching a corner somehow.
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Have you done much tuning with your high speed compression? it’s incredibly overlooked, and if it isn’t set right, believe it or not, it will cause issues with your front end traction and ease of turn in, if it’s too soft, you will chopper out when diving into corners, and this will make the feeling of the bike very lethargic to turn in, and not want to lean over easily. If you havent, try going in on your high speed comp 1/4 turn at a time, until your rear wheel starts to deflect on compression of the rear end over whoops, the back off till the deflection goes away, I did this with my 07 yz450f and the front end feel once I got the high speed dialed in, was night and day different, the porker actually turned like I wanted it to, and the front end had so much bite I stopped worrying about it (bit of a tall order for any yz)
But I had to go in very far, I ended up 7/8th out from
Full hard, I was a weee but over the 180lb limit for the stock suspension, but with the clickers turned in quite far, and the high speed cranked in way further than expected, the bike suddenly fell into line, and handled like a bike should, and gave the confidence to push it.

The yz450f is gone now, that’s 2 months of ownership lol, before realizing, well, it’s just alll aboot the 2 strokes, 2021 yz250, got the suspension dialed in, and as well, oddly enough, I wound up at 7/8th turn out on it as well. Hope this helps Smile
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Mark3380 wrote:
I have a 2019 KX450 and want to get it to lay over in corners easier. I have the forks 6mm up in the clamps now...
I have a 2019 KX450 and want to get it to lay over in corners easier. I have the forks 6mm up in the clamps now. I'm wondering how far I can go before getting negative effects.

I'm also considering 21.5 or 22 mm offset triple clamps. Can anyone approximate the effects of a different clamp vs raising the forks? I know they're not changing the geometry in the same way but I'm trying to decide if I need the clamps to get the cornering feel I'm after. I want the bike to have more of a front end steering feel similar to a Honda. I love everything about the bike but I struggle in tight rutted corners. I've never used an aftermarket clamp.
MX558 wrote:
I recently put the 22 mm RE clamps on my 450 and after the 1st ride with them I can honestly say they helped more that...
I recently put the 22 mm RE clamps on my 450 and after the 1st ride with them I can honestly say they helped more that running the forks up high .
Mark3380 wrote:
Thanks for the reply. Did you try their link also? After a phone call with Ride, I decided to order the 22mm clamps and the link...
Thanks for the reply. Did you try their link also?

After a phone call with Ride, I decided to order the 22mm clamps and the link to try. I was thinking 21.5 but they insisted the 22mm was the right choice for the 19 model.
I too went with the 22mm clamps and did notice a difference , especially with front end grip . I left the forks at 5 mm up where I had it but ended up about 3 up on fork ht . It's not a huge difference but worth it in my opinion. I might try the link again if I find one cheap enough. I'm injured now so I have some down time but I love this bike and can ride it better and longer than any bike before it
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Mark3380 wrote:
Just wanted to post an update for anyone interested. I got the Ride Engineering 22mm triple clamps and their rear link. I wanted to try them...
Just wanted to post an update for anyone interested.

I got the Ride Engineering 22mm triple clamps and their rear link. I wanted to try them separately but due to lack of time I installed both at the same time. Went to the track with the forks up 4mm in the clamps because I was a little sceptical about how much difference the clamps would make. Sag was at 102 per Ride's recommendation for the link.

I was surprised! The bike turned much better but the front wheel was nervous at times. Moved the forks down to 2mm and liked the balance of turning and stability. When the track got rough, the bike seemed to soak up bumps better and the rear wheel stayed planted where it would usually get a little loose or swap. I wish I could have tried the parts separately but I have a newborn at home so track time is precious.

Overall, I felt like both parts together improved the front and rear significantly and got the bike much more comfortable for me and allowed me to carry more speed into and through corners. I had been struggling with deep rutted corners. My lap times were about 6 seconds faster than my previous best and had less spread. Previously I was lucky to put together a solid lap without jumping out of a rut or botching a corner somehow.
Im fairly sure the recommended sag for the link is 105mm. But that could just be keefers recommendation. I run the 22mm clamps 3mm up and 105 sag with the ride engineering link and i love it.
9/9/2020 6:34pm
Im running the ride engineering 21.5 clamps on my 19 with 105mm of sag and the forks 5mm up in the clamps. This combo feels great for me. The "turn in" feel is even easier and the front end sticks much better in flat corners. With the stock clamps, I felt like the front end pushed and didnt stick well in flat corners. This problem was magnified on my track because its mainly hard clay in places, but when i went to other tracks with softer terrain, the front end felt fine.

My only gripe with this bike, is that I wish it had more grunt. My 13 kx450 was much stronger than this bike. After reading some of Keefers exhaust/mods testing that hes done to the current generation of kx450, it seems like you have to dump quite a bit of money into the engine just to make it feel a little better.
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I have installed a +1mm link and I like the rear traction. However, it is really low now and I can't go lower than 95mm sag without feeling like riding a harley. The front sits pretty high now and I don't like it. Any advice? I am running the forks down at the first mark, so some 3mm I guess.
I was also thinking at triple clams, but they are quite expensive.
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Almus72 wrote:
I have installed a +1mm link and I like the rear traction. However, it is really low now and I can't go lower than 95mm sag...
I have installed a +1mm link and I like the rear traction. However, it is really low now and I can't go lower than 95mm sag without feeling like riding a harley. The front sits pretty high now and I don't like it. Any advice? I am running the forks down at the first mark, so some 3mm I guess.
I was also thinking at triple clams, but they are quite expensive.
I don’t have any more experience than what I previously posted. I got hurt and eventually decided to take a break while my kid is young.

You could go to 5 maybe 6mm up in the clamps and see how much that helps, but much more will probably start to cause other issues. I will say that the clamps definitely made a difference for me and were worth the cost. Also, I’m assuming you’ve had your suspension resprung and revalved for your weight. That makes a huge difference in case you haven’t. Both are totally worth the cost IMO.

That low feeling is integral to how the link works so you’ll have to decide if that’s worth it for the benefits you’re feeling. They do recommend more sag than what you’re running so if you haven’t experimented with it, I would try 100 or 102. Sometimes changes have different effects than we think or take time to adapt to.

The takeaway for me is that no matter what you do to a 450, it’s still a 450. The KX is the easiest 450 I’ve ridden by far but it was just the inertia and weight that I struggled with. For me being out of shape trying to come back after 20 years, I’m just more comfortable on a smaller bike. If I get back into it, I’ll be on a 250F.
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Almus72 wrote:
I have installed a +1mm link and I like the rear traction. However, it is really low now and I can't go lower than 95mm sag...
I have installed a +1mm link and I like the rear traction. However, it is really low now and I can't go lower than 95mm sag without feeling like riding a harley. The front sits pretty high now and I don't like it. Any advice? I am running the forks down at the first mark, so some 3mm I guess.
I was also thinking at triple clams, but they are quite expensive.
Mark3380 wrote:
I don’t have any more experience than what I previously posted. I got hurt and eventually decided to take a break while my kid is young...
I don’t have any more experience than what I previously posted. I got hurt and eventually decided to take a break while my kid is young.

You could go to 5 maybe 6mm up in the clamps and see how much that helps, but much more will probably start to cause other issues. I will say that the clamps definitely made a difference for me and were worth the cost. Also, I’m assuming you’ve had your suspension resprung and revalved for your weight. That makes a huge difference in case you haven’t. Both are totally worth the cost IMO.

That low feeling is integral to how the link works so you’ll have to decide if that’s worth it for the benefits you’re feeling. They do recommend more sag than what you’re running so if you haven’t experimented with it, I would try 100 or 102. Sometimes changes have different effects than we think or take time to adapt to.

The takeaway for me is that no matter what you do to a 450, it’s still a 450. The KX is the easiest 450 I’ve ridden by far but it was just the inertia and weight that I struggled with. For me being out of shape trying to come back after 20 years, I’m just more comfortable on a smaller bike. If I get back into it, I’ll be on a 250F.
Thanks for this. I tried 105 but it was really too low. It looked like the shock had collapsed. Hence, I am at 95 now. I like how the shock behaves now. It’s very progressive and does not kick at the end of the ramps. My lap times have also improved.
It’s just that now I can feel some more inertia at the front when turning into berms. It’s less reactive. That’s why I was thinking about triple clamps.
The springs are find for my weight and veteran level.

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