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Herlings vs ferrandis holds a bit more weight but ferrandis has definitely improved.
This current roczen is still a notch below pre injury.
The only one in the AMA series that would take it to herlings is Tomac if tomac lived and breathed MXGP
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His justification for saying that the top end of the nationals were faster than the top end of MXGP was that the guys in 4th, 5th and 6th in the US are closer to the Top 3 than they are in MXGP, which I don’t really get. Prado and Cairoli finished 5th and 6th in points, both were genuine title contenders half way through the season before they got injured and missed races. Seewer who was 4th in points struggled with illness and fatigue most of the season, still got podiums and a GP win, and even Coldenhoff and Jonass who were 7th and 8th in points got podiums.
I like Steve a lot, respect his opinion, but I think he’s a bit wide of the mark on this one. One thing is for sure though, when everyone is fit, I think we have some of the most stacked 450 classes we’ve ever seen, both in Europe and the US
Did you not just watch and witness the current MXGP Season?
Seewer, Febvre, Coldenhoff, Prado,Cairoli, Herlings, Gajser.
So just becasuse Herlings doesnt race, the next guy isnt the same guy.. Gajser broke a collarbone, Febvre wasnt properly on it till later in the season, but the reason the US series isnt so close is because there simply arent enough guys to take points away when things go south.
So if Ferrandis has a bad race, he is always going to be 2nd, here he could be 5th or 6th, simply becasue the racing is tighter, the only thing that makes it easer is the MXGP field is 25 guys so you dont have to try and pass 15 gate fillers.
Dont get me wrong, there are plenty of guys who could win.. but they rarely step up, week in week out to challenge.,
You only need to look at the lack of close total fights, in the last 10 years, and its normally 2 guys hoovering the points up, and everyone else picking up the the peices.
And the fact that all the top us riders have been training for sx all there lives makes it even more impressive when a mxgp rider comes over and does well in supercross.
You cats are glossing over an important fact.
The US Nationals are exactly that, held in the USA, tracks in the USA, and riders from the USA. With the exception of a handful of foreigners (most welcome IMHO).
The GPs have riders from all over the world and race tracks all over the world. It takes riders from all over the world, from all the countries in said world, less the USA, to make up a series that can be considered better or faster or equal to, the one country nationals (USA).
Its the whole world against the USA bit again.
Try this...
Take any country in the world. You pick. Then I am going to let you pick any track in the world. I would put our top 10 riders up against any top ten riders from the country that you picked. Guess what the outcome would be...
It takes the whole world's BEST riders to compete (or beat) the riders from one country, the USA. Pretty damn piss poor showing ganging up on 'Merica like that...
With all of that said.
I was there for the Herlings beat down at Crawfordsville. To fall on the first lap, get up last, and show the AMA boys the way home was truly impressive. Some would consider superhuman. The only other impressive feat I have witnessed was when Barnett fell in the first turn at High Point, got up in last place and showed who was boss in the 125 class.
Flame on...
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keep it real as its one of the smallest countries in Europe in size and population
Last year the gap to second was 102 points, 2019 it was 202 points, 2018 it was 151 points. I think You get the point.The avg margin over the last 10 years looks to be around 100 points.
You have almost an entire continent worth of riders, 15-20 factory riders in each class, to chose from. Countries like The Netherlands, GBR, Belgium, Switzerland, Italy etc. Might get one golden generation of 3 or 4 factory guys every 10-20 years that’s good enough to win for them, if they’re lucky, and if they’re all fit at the same time
So imagine it the other way around. How many states can beat a team of Herlings, Vialle and Ferrandis?
Its just the same in reverse.
I can drive across Belgium and Holland in 2 hours. They are small countries by comparison. With a small population.
Its why the Ryder Cup is like it is, because doing it any other way , is just dumb, based on population and participation.
And as was said, we have the same amount of factory rides, split between 15 countries. As i stands now, we have one in the UK, yet we can get on the box 3 years in a row.
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