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yak651 9/6/2021 11:24am
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Mr. Info wrote:
Both parties need to meet in the middle. If they did they would both be winners. Let me just say this a GP is easier to...
Both parties need to meet in the middle. If they did they would both be winners. Let me just say this a GP is easier to put on then a National. Glen Helen can by all means survive not having a National but would love to have one for the MX community.
One day this pissing match will cause fans to quit attending. Pala does the best they can for what they have to work with. It’s not half assed because they want to have a quality National.
In business like let’s say sports contracts they bring in an arbitration to resolve differences and I think this could resolve it but that’s not my call. There are issues that I have is having it on TV locally while it’s happening live and that takes away revenue from I know the track but I don’t know about MX Sports that’s not any of my business. I think the purse should increase but the tracks pay it so reduce the fee to have the race they pay to MX Sports. Lower the ticket prices so people can afford a day at the tracks. They spend money there to shirt vendors, they buy food and drinks. If it cost me more to spend a day at the races or take my family to Disneyland I would go to Disneyland. I see races when I go race.
This is not NASCAR, Indy or any other Motorsports it’s a niche sport. It’s out of your and my hands. It’s Bud and Davey’s. Enjoy Hangtown it’s a great place to watch a National. You can see the whole track from the hillsides and tell the Big Moe Clan hello.
scott_nz wrote:
If it’s easier to run a gp there, why is their not one there ? And while we are at it. What ever happened the the...
If it’s easier to run a gp there, why is their not one there ?

And while we are at it. What ever happened the the des nations that was meant to be coming ?
TeamGreen wrote:
Doesn’t the track/promoter need to kick down a small fortune for a GP?
So you’re saying Mr Info has been fed some bad info again?? Holding a GP has just has many hurdles as holding a national??
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TeamGreen 9/6/2021 11:29am
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scott_nz wrote:
If it’s easier to run a gp there, why is their not one there ? And while we are at it. What ever happened the the...
If it’s easier to run a gp there, why is their not one there ?

And while we are at it. What ever happened the the des nations that was meant to be coming ?
TeamGreen wrote:
Doesn’t the track/promoter need to kick down a small fortune for a GP?
yak651 wrote:
So you’re saying Mr Info has been fed some bad info again?? Holding a GP has just has many hurdles as holding a national??
Financially? it’s a whole lot more money.
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9/6/2021 12:10pm Edited Date/Time 9/6/2021 12:17pm
There will not be a MXGP or a MXoN in the usa ever again. USA fans don’t attend MXGPs and the USA does not want to send a team to the MXoN unless we can win so we don’t deserve to host moving forward.
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SCC wrote:
There will not be a MXGP or a MXoN in the usa ever again. USA fans don’t attend MXGPs and the USA does not want to...
There will not be a MXGP or a MXoN in the usa ever again. USA fans don’t attend MXGPs and the USA does not want to send a team to the MXoN unless we can win so we don’t deserve to host moving forward.
I do believe the MXoN takes place in the US next year.
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SCC 9/6/2021 12:22pm
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SCC wrote:
There will not be a MXGP or a MXoN in the usa ever again. USA fans don’t attend MXGPs and the USA does not want to...
There will not be a MXGP or a MXoN in the usa ever again. USA fans don’t attend MXGPs and the USA does not want to send a team to the MXoN unless we can win so we don’t deserve to host moving forward.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
I do believe the MXoN takes place in the US next year.
Zero chance after this years big FU to the event/promoter/track owner/fans etc.
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str8line 9/6/2021 1:01pm
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yzinger wrote:
my son - Fox Raceway was very underwhelming. Not from a racing perspective or pros are amazing etc but this facility pales in comparison to most...
my son - Fox Raceway was very underwhelming. Not from a racing perspective or pros are amazing etc but this facility pales in comparison to most outdoor facilities. It looks like a construction site built an MX track - which really it did.

I want to real quick explain i understand there is soooo much behind the scenes regarding access to major population areas, infrastructure, sponsors, TV, traffic etc and on and on but seriously if you are a random fan who watched the last several MX Nationals you land on this today and say WTF is this place. There has got to be a facility that can satisfy what the MX Nats really are and have been for many many years and still ensure the meca of motocross has a chance to see (socal MX). The artificial uphills/downhills are very well done but this is not MX. A pro national to me and i expect many others involves natural terrain with of course some man made obstacles but lord jesus its gotta be in the outdoors as we refer to these as the Outdoor Nationals.

Smart asses - yes i understand Fox/Pala is outdoors but you know what I mean.

Thanks DC for EVERYTHING you do for MX, it is not lost on me, hopefully this post and maybe a thread can be considered constructive criticism which will help our sport.

Respectfully Yzinger!

I liked it. It may not be Red Bud or Washougal but it's a technical track. The elevation changes are good enough and it was gnarly as evident in the time disparities from the top guys back. Watching the flow of Tomac in that second moto when he was on it was awesome.
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Zachintosh 9/6/2021 1:05pm
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Glass half full: thank your lucky stars the National isn’t held at Elsinore anymore.
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Mr. Info 9/6/2021 5:33pm
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You don’t have to understand the difference between the two but there is a big difference and not just money. After being there around 30 years working for Glen Helen I know. I would love to see it come back one more time, either one a National or only the MXoN. Not for me or Bud but for the fans of MX. Let’s do them right.
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COAL-TRAIN 9/6/2021 7:01pm
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yzinger wrote:
my son - Fox Raceway was very underwhelming. Not from a racing perspective or pros are amazing etc but this facility pales in comparison to most...
my son - Fox Raceway was very underwhelming. Not from a racing perspective or pros are amazing etc but this facility pales in comparison to most outdoor facilities. It looks like a construction site built an MX track - which really it did.

I want to real quick explain i understand there is soooo much behind the scenes regarding access to major population areas, infrastructure, sponsors, TV, traffic etc and on and on but seriously if you are a random fan who watched the last several MX Nationals you land on this today and say WTF is this place. There has got to be a facility that can satisfy what the MX Nats really are and have been for many many years and still ensure the meca of motocross has a chance to see (socal MX). The artificial uphills/downhills are very well done but this is not MX. A pro national to me and i expect many others involves natural terrain with of course some man made obstacles but lord jesus its gotta be in the outdoors as we refer to these as the Outdoor Nationals.

Smart asses - yes i understand Fox/Pala is outdoors but you know what I mean.

Thanks DC for EVERYTHING you do for MX, it is not lost on me, hopefully this post and maybe a thread can be considered constructive criticism which will help our sport.

Respectfully Yzinger!
Davey needs to not be so demanding of Bud. And Bud shouldnt be so stubborn but this is on DC. Glen Helen should be where it's held at and DC you need to suck it up for the better of the fans a sport! I get the money side of things but when that and some facility issues pushes a track like GH out over Pala then we have a problem. This was never an issues before MXsports!
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yak651 9/6/2021 7:11pm
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yzinger wrote:
my son - Fox Raceway was very underwhelming. Not from a racing perspective or pros are amazing etc but this facility pales in comparison to most...
my son - Fox Raceway was very underwhelming. Not from a racing perspective or pros are amazing etc but this facility pales in comparison to most outdoor facilities. It looks like a construction site built an MX track - which really it did.

I want to real quick explain i understand there is soooo much behind the scenes regarding access to major population areas, infrastructure, sponsors, TV, traffic etc and on and on but seriously if you are a random fan who watched the last several MX Nationals you land on this today and say WTF is this place. There has got to be a facility that can satisfy what the MX Nats really are and have been for many many years and still ensure the meca of motocross has a chance to see (socal MX). The artificial uphills/downhills are very well done but this is not MX. A pro national to me and i expect many others involves natural terrain with of course some man made obstacles but lord jesus its gotta be in the outdoors as we refer to these as the Outdoor Nationals.

Smart asses - yes i understand Fox/Pala is outdoors but you know what I mean.

Thanks DC for EVERYTHING you do for MX, it is not lost on me, hopefully this post and maybe a thread can be considered constructive criticism which will help our sport.

Respectfully Yzinger!
COAL-TRAIN wrote:
Davey needs to not be so demanding of Bud. And Bud shouldnt be so stubborn but this is on DC. Glen Helen should be where it's...
Davey needs to not be so demanding of Bud. And Bud shouldnt be so stubborn but this is on DC. Glen Helen should be where it's held at and DC you need to suck it up for the better of the fans a sport! I get the money side of things but when that and some facility issues pushes a track like GH out over Pala then we have a problem. This was never an issues before MXsports!
Not all on DC. I’m first to jump on the bandwagon for railing against payouts and the current amateur system but remember reports that Bud expected moto winners to come over and interact with his VIP guest, part of the up charge. He’s all about the money as much as Mx sports is
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Owen H 9/7/2021 7:12am
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What exactly does it take to get a pro national to use your venue?
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Johnson183 9/7/2021 11:22am
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yzinger wrote:
my son - Fox Raceway was very underwhelming. Not from a racing perspective or pros are amazing etc but this facility pales in comparison to most...
my son - Fox Raceway was very underwhelming. Not from a racing perspective or pros are amazing etc but this facility pales in comparison to most outdoor facilities. It looks like a construction site built an MX track - which really it did.

I want to real quick explain i understand there is soooo much behind the scenes regarding access to major population areas, infrastructure, sponsors, TV, traffic etc and on and on but seriously if you are a random fan who watched the last several MX Nationals you land on this today and say WTF is this place. There has got to be a facility that can satisfy what the MX Nats really are and have been for many many years and still ensure the meca of motocross has a chance to see (socal MX). The artificial uphills/downhills are very well done but this is not MX. A pro national to me and i expect many others involves natural terrain with of course some man made obstacles but lord jesus its gotta be in the outdoors as we refer to these as the Outdoor Nationals.

Smart asses - yes i understand Fox/Pala is outdoors but you know what I mean.

Thanks DC for EVERYTHING you do for MX, it is not lost on me, hopefully this post and maybe a thread can be considered constructive criticism which will help our sport.

Respectfully Yzinger!
COAL-TRAIN wrote:
Davey needs to not be so demanding of Bud. And Bud shouldnt be so stubborn but this is on DC. Glen Helen should be where it's...
Davey needs to not be so demanding of Bud. And Bud shouldnt be so stubborn but this is on DC. Glen Helen should be where it's held at and DC you need to suck it up for the better of the fans a sport! I get the money side of things but when that and some facility issues pushes a track like GH out over Pala then we have a problem. This was never an issues before MXsports!
yak651 wrote:
Not all on DC. I’m first to jump on the bandwagon for railing against payouts and the current amateur system but remember reports that Bud expected...
Not all on DC. I’m first to jump on the bandwagon for railing against payouts and the current amateur system but remember reports that Bud expected moto winners to come over and interact with his VIP guest, part of the up charge. He’s all about the money as much as Mx sports is
Just to set the record straight, this is 100% false. There was no promise of FAN interaction or even a high-five for the purpose of taking care of VIP's.

Sorry, had to chime in because I'm sick of that continued misrepresentation.
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mmcmx 9/7/2021 11:34am
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Watch the Turkey GP and you wil inmediately love Pala more.
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Phillip_Lamb 9/7/2021 12:07pm
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Glen Helen on Line 1
aeffertz wrote:
Everybody, aside from GH, wants GH to be on the schedule. It takes two to tango.
they want to be on the schedule but GH and MXsports cant come to an agreement.
Frank Tuesday 9/7/2021 12:21pm
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Dear OP, tell me, is this glass half full of half empty? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/09/04/508695/s1200_Glass_of_water.jpg[/img]
Dear OP, tell me, is this glass half full of half empty?


The cup is too big for the amount of water it is required to currently hold.
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dboivin 9/7/2021 12:35pm
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personally....since everyone gets an opinion and loves to share those opinions. I think all the california rounds always suck. the tracks/dirt sucks....that includes glen helen.... there, i said it. now go ahead and downvote the hell out of me, i can handle it.

pala looked like they were racing on the moon. sucked.

east coast and midwest was made for mx. the dirt does not suck.


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lostboy819 9/7/2021 1:20pm
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Owen H wrote:
What exactly does it take to get a pro national to use your venue?
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Mr. Info 9/7/2021 1:22pm
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Hey I’ll be first to admit and being a west coast rider I loved the chances to ride a east coast track. The soil the people and it’s always green. But some places are not a lucky and Glen Helen will not make Better Homes and Gardens but we try.
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