Homo Rule- 7200 production bikes for 500 pro riders?

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400 for each manufacturer (800 counting 250's) is the rule. 3600 is one class only, double it for 250's. It's ridiculous.

2023 we should have at least 9 makes.

Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Suzuki, KTM, Husqvarna, Gas Gas, Beta and Triumph

Seems like an obsolete rule to me. New manufacturer's have to go to MXGP to be welcome.

Why not encourage growth in the AMA? Series promoters have the power to do this and more. Don't misdirect your anger towards the AMA. How many bikes do you really need to make a viable production rule?

TM, Sherco, Jotagas, Reiju, Fantic, BRC, Cobra, Zero, Sur Ron, GPX, Bombardier, Harley, Indian, Aprilia, SSR and more might want to play if the barrier to entry wasn't so high. RIP Cannondale and Alta never made it.

With 2 new manufacturer's on the horizon, this subject is timely again. We can assume both of them are willing to build the minimum, but why not let other's in? Everyone is always crying there aren't enough jobs for riders...




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Dude. Enough.


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GrapeApe 8/20/2021 3:03pm
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Can we just give this dude his own sub-forum, and lock him in there?
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Your threads keep delivering. More than half the bikes you listed would break after one lap on a track. Then you follow it up with a picture of an EGL, a cheap Chinese knock off of a Honda. Incredible
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Johnny Depp 8/20/2021 3:14pm
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xrmark wrote:
Your threads keep delivering. More than half the bikes you listed would break after one lap on a track. Then you follow it up with a...
Your threads keep delivering. More than half the bikes you listed would break after one lap on a track. Then you follow it up with a picture of an EGL, a cheap Chinese knock off of a Honda. Incredible
Thanks, this place needs some excitement, even during the on season.

Remember when Japanese bikes were a laughing stock? Just keep laughing at the Chinese bikes. Who do you think builds most ofl the Japanese/Austrian/ maybe Italian parts?

What are you worried about if they can't finish, you shouldn't be scared to let them in then? That basic bike was run by MCR in SX last year. Sure it would need massaging, but for $4999 you could afford to.
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Johnny Depp wrote:
Thanks, this place needs some excitement, even during the on season. Remember when Japanese bikes were a laughing stock? Just keep laughing at the Chinese bikes...
Thanks, this place needs some excitement, even during the on season.

Remember when Japanese bikes were a laughing stock? Just keep laughing at the Chinese bikes. Who do you think builds most ofl the Japanese/Austrian/ maybe Italian parts?

What are you worried about if they can't finish, you shouldn't be scared to let them in then? That basic bike was run by MCR in SX last year. Sure it would need massaging, but for $4999 you could afford to.
…this can’t be real life lmao
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Johnny Depp wrote:
Thanks, this place needs some excitement, even during the on season. Remember when Japanese bikes were a laughing stock? Just keep laughing at the Chinese bikes...
Thanks, this place needs some excitement, even during the on season.

Remember when Japanese bikes were a laughing stock? Just keep laughing at the Chinese bikes. Who do you think builds most ofl the Japanese/Austrian/ maybe Italian parts?

What are you worried about if they can't finish, you shouldn't be scared to let them in then? That basic bike was run by MCR in SX last year. Sure it would need massaging, but for $4999 you could afford to.
xrmark wrote:
…this can’t be real life lmao
No. It’s not. It’s a motocross forum.
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The thread title alone is cringey.
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Any new manufacturer can get a one year exemption to the homologation rule….so let me get this straight you now want 15yr olds racing on one off works bikes in the pros….or did I combine two dumb threads into one…
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Any new manufacturer can get a one year exemption to the homologation rule….so let me get this straight you now want 15yr olds racing on one...
Any new manufacturer can get a one year exemption to the homologation rule….so let me get this straight you now want 15yr olds racing on one off works bikes in the pros….or did I combine two dumb threads into one…
Don that rule is gone for years now. It was to help develop 4t's.
This thread is about a production rule not works bikes.(That's for another thread..)
Not a single person has addressed the question yet.. How many bikes are needed? It seems like 2 for every pro license holder (I don't know the exact number) would be plenty?
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Ping has a story about racing a Chinese bike. Let's see how that Chinese garbage does against a factory Kawasaki. Oh but yes we need Fantic who does Yamaha with different plastics.
The few brands that don't race but build a competitive bike, could if they wanted to.
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Johnny Depp wrote:
Don that rule is gone for years now. It was to help develop 4t's. This thread is about a production rule not works bikes.(That's for another...
Don that rule is gone for years now. It was to help develop 4t's.
This thread is about a production rule not works bikes.(That's for another thread..)
Not a single person has addressed the question yet.. How many bikes are needed? It seems like 2 for every pro license holder (I don't know the exact number) would be plenty?
It’s not about having enough bikes for the pros bud.
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colintrax wrote:
Ping has a story about racing a Chinese bike. Let's see how that Chinese garbage does against a factory Kawasaki. Oh but yes we need Fantic...
Ping has a story about racing a Chinese bike. Let's see how that Chinese garbage does against a factory Kawasaki. Oh but yes we need Fantic who does Yamaha with different plastics.
The few brands that don't race but build a competitive bike, could if they wanted to.
For anyone that wants to read or re-read the Chinese bike story:

Racer X: Chinese Take-Out
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Johnny Depp 8/20/2021 5:55pm
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soggy wrote:
It’s not about having enough bikes for the pros bud.
It's a pro only rule, of course it is.
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soggy wrote:
It’s not about having enough bikes for the pros bud.
Johnny Depp wrote:
It's a pro only rule, of course it is.
It absolutely isn’t.
That comment is so dumb you must be trolling.
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Are you trying to break the downvote counter?
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soggy wrote:
It’s not about having enough bikes for the pros bud.
Johnny Depp wrote:
It's a pro only rule, of course it is.
soggy wrote:
It absolutely isn’t.
That comment is so dumb you must be trolling.
Please enlighten me as to your vision of the rule?
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Johnny Depp 8/20/2021 6:39pm
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Are you trying to break the downvote counter?
Grab a pitchfork buddy, we're talking TM here! They have a good legacy in MXGP's, but none in the AMA. Ever.
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MX915 wrote:
Dude. Enough. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/20/506484/s1200_780138C2_5611_4FAA_A414_4EA5C38D9064.jpg[/img]
Dude. Enough.


Nice argument. Perhaps you realize a bunch of the stuff you see on moto websites and hear on podcasts is ideas plucked right off of this forum. Occasionally important eyes are on this forum. Heck even DV12 is one of the gang.
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Johnny Depp wrote:
Nice argument. Perhaps you realize a bunch of the stuff you see on moto websites and hear on podcasts is ideas plucked right off of this...
Nice argument. Perhaps you realize a bunch of the stuff you see on moto websites and hear on podcasts is ideas plucked right off of this forum. Occasionally important eyes are on this forum. Heck even DV12 is one of the gang.
Thats cool. Just that I haven’t heard any of your interesting hot takes show up on of the popular moto podcasts or websites I frequent, but whatever helps you sleep at night. Hell even the genius with the Tomac on a YZ250 next year got reference on Pulp MX. But letting people roam free on closed course Mx tracks, 15 year olds on 450s, production rule handicapping privateers, etc. not so much.
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Johnny Depp 8/20/2021 7:34pm
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Johnny Depp wrote:
Nice argument. Perhaps you realize a bunch of the stuff you see on moto websites and hear on podcasts is ideas plucked right off of this...
Nice argument. Perhaps you realize a bunch of the stuff you see on moto websites and hear on podcasts is ideas plucked right off of this forum. Occasionally important eyes are on this forum. Heck even DV12 is one of the gang.
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Thats cool. Just that I haven’t heard any of your interesting hot takes show up on of the popular moto podcasts or websites I frequent, but...
Thats cool. Just that I haven’t heard any of your interesting hot takes show up on of the popular moto podcasts or websites I frequent, but whatever helps you sleep at night. Hell even the genius with the Tomac on a YZ250 next year got reference on Pulp MX. But letting people roam free on closed course Mx tracks, 15 year olds on 450s, production rule handicapping privateers, etc. not so much.
Free roaming, I like the sound of that, but I have no idea what you mean? (edit, spectator access) Yep 15 or 12 yr. old riding whatever they want. Production rule handicapping manufacturer's who are not in the club.

Started a thread a few years ago on the subject. Our old friend Newmann said it best RIP
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10/20/2019 1:10pm
The AMA 400 unit homo rule really sucks balls. Of course the AMA claims they have nothing to do with Pro racing...

https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Production-and-Homologat…

I remember when this site was full of 2 Stroke Terrorists, but it seems like they have accepted their 2nd class fate in MX?
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I’ve got a homo rule…stay 20ft away.
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I'll be in the minority, I don't mind... I do think the rule is limiting participation of production based bikes. No, not the Chinese junk, but decent quality manufacturers like Beta, TM, Sherco, Triumph (soon), etc. There's other brands, but I don't see the likes of Reiju or Fantic doing 4t's.

So what's the fix? Serious question, what is the downside of cutting the number in half?
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Johnny Depp 8/20/2021 8:03pm
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80sMXbadboy wrote:
The thread title alone is cringey.
The thread title alone is catchy. Fixed.
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lostboy819 8/20/2021 8:03pm
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I agree that the rule could use some looking at and maybe a better more modern rule that makes it easier for legitimate bike manufactures to get involved with racing in the states. I think you connected on this topic but that doesn't make up for the other 50 that were a swing and a miss.
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Boomslang 8/20/2021 9:59pm
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DonM wrote:
Any new manufacturer can get a one year exemption to the homologation rule….so let me get this straight you now want 15yr olds racing on one...
Any new manufacturer can get a one year exemption to the homologation rule….so let me get this straight you now want 15yr olds racing on one off works bikes in the pros….or did I combine two dumb threads into one…
We need to add a Golden thumb for 1st class posts and a turd for absolute garbage posts the regular thumbs up n down stays...then we have four options.
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Harv379 8/20/2021 10:33pm
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The better question is... Do you think if they lifted that rule then all of a sudden TM would have the $ and resources to put together an sx team? Or Harley building one off bikes to create a team? I could be wrong, but I just can't see it.
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There's a reason Suzuki is backing away from dirt bikes ....
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OrangeJuice158 8/20/2021 11:42pm
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Heggo wrote:
There's a reason Suzuki is backing away from dirt bikes ....
Stopped selling cars in the US too.

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