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DaveB771 wrote:
If raising bison penciled out, the market would be flooded with bison meat.
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Yes, In our current system Bison will not overtake beef. Much of the land that the Bison could be productive on has already been claimed for...
Yes, In our current system Bison will not overtake beef. Much of the land that the Bison could be productive on has already been claimed for non food purposes. Also it is not like the "Beef it's what's for Dinner" folks aren't trying to keep it tampered down either. It would take a gigantic effort to replace beef with bison. It would require large amounts of land that has been deemed wildlife refuge. It would require much less wheat and especially corn growth. it would require a complete transformation of how we raise and slaughter them for the reasons you said before.

When it come to our food supply though, it is not even remotely close to a free market system. FDA drives the food market. The FDA is controlled by lobbyists just as everything else is.

With all that said, this undertaking would be easier achieved and more reasonable, and ethical than cutting the world's population down to 500 million
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To be overly picky, regulating the production of livestock is the USDA's job. Support checks come from them.
Thanks. that makes more sense I was just thinking of the food pyramid sort of thing.
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I am not even really sure what you are disagreeing with.

Is it , that there is not enough land to feed the world's population a healthy diet?

I think I showed you how

Is it, that people groups haven't adjusted to their environments?

Who cares, I don't. but some folks have lived on Islands for millennia without much red met, but a lot of them were cannibals so maybe they found a way I think my example of Japanese and Scandinavians holds water. If you have an issue try to refute it. Singapore, and Iceland are considered on the healthiest countries as well

is it that we are not under a system of artificial scarcity?

Because I think we are and my main reason in this thread

Is it, that you believe every person in the world should eat a red meat diet?

I think the vast majority of the world would if they could, just go look at the "Home Cooking" thread and most is red meat mixed with various other animal proteins, or the supermarket and menus prices. When it comes to dogs, every person I know who competes at a high level use a raw diet of various meats, but red meat along with tripe, bones and more cartilage than you think possible is what they feed them. If you fed a competitive dog kibble it would get blown out of the water. I don't even disagree with you, but people in India (which is a lot) aren't going to need a red meat diet and what is optimal and what is doable are not the same.

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I showed that is was practical to feed people Bison on a much larger scale than we can any other meat source. Minus cloning Mastadons. Same principle though, because they are large and can live in the areas that other red meat food source animals can't. I showed Bison is a very nutritious red meat source.

The point of Bison is primarily their efficiency and particularly their ability to thrive in the large amounts of the unused land in the world. Bison can live wherever cows do but cows can't live on much of the land where Bison can The north plains is where these animals thrive. The same places that are unused for general public purpose minus oil, minerals etc

Asians have been eating soy for thousands of years, their bodies are more adapted to use it. perhaps that explains less disparity of the sexes. That doesn't mean it is better for them than a red met diet it simply means it has bee used and will continue to be used by a huge portion of the population. (not important to this discussion)

Same as chicken in India. Regardless of what North Americans are eating Asia will eat soy and India will not eat beef. Maybe we can get them into Bison I am not sure how that would work with their faith though.

Japanese diet is what are talking about not their sustainability. For 1000's of years people have lived in Japan all eating a similar, very good diet. They are an Island and don't have the ability to raise much grazing animals, they do make sure the beef they do have is the is the best. It is a delicacy. Islands are not comparable to North America and Siberia. The time frame it would take for North America to get where Japan is population density / resource wise is light years different. Even the land they do have much of it is Mountains.

South of the border will continue to predominately eat beans and rice regardless of what else is available in North America and Siberia, because that is the diet they are accustomed to. Again it doesn't mean it is their optimal diet just that they can handle that diet better than most and regardless will continue to maintain it.

Now don't get hung up on soy and beans and rice. They may not be ideal food sources but they are a major food source and will continue to be regardless. You take Asia, India, South of the Border that is a huge portion of the world's population that wouldn't necessarily need to eat the bison. As long as they have soy, beans and rice and various other protein sources like those gerbils they eat in S America and all the stuff in Asia they will be happy. Put some camels in Australia and the deserts of South America and then those areas have a significant red meat source suited for their environments.

So if there are 10's of millions of Bison in North America and Siberia, probably Mongolia too, Camels in Australia, South America, what are we missing? Africa, once we have bison and camels everywhere they can export resources and import the food they can not produce.

The only thing we need is the ability to use the land which is controlled by the stinking rich they keep to maintain false scarcity.


Again all of this would be a huge undertaking but still less than what it would take to get the world population down to what the stinking rich want.
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1. John Malone

• Land area: 2.2 million acres

• Roughly equal to: Half the size of Lake Ontario

John Malone is the largest private landowner in the United States. Malone made his fortune as a media tycoon, building the company Tele-Communications, Inc, or TCI, and acting as its CEO before selling it to AT&T for $50 billion in 1999. Malone's 2.2 million acres are largely located in Maine, New Mexico, Colorado, and Wyoming and include profitable cattle ranches.

2. Ted Turner

• Land area: 2.0 million acres

• Roughly equal to: Twice as large as Rhode Island

CNN founder Ted Turner owns 2 million acres of land largely in New Mexico, South Dakota, Nebraska, and Georgia. Much of Turner's land is used as grazing land for over 50,000 head of buffalo – the largest private herd of bison in the world.

3. Emmerson family

• Land area: 2.0 million acres

• Roughly equal to: A third of the size of New Hampshire

The Emmerson family owns and operates Sierra Pacific Industries, a company that logs usable lumber after forest fires and sells it to lumber retailers. Through Sierra Pacific, the family owns some 2 million acres in California and Washington.

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• Land area: 1.7 million acres

• Roughly equal to: Half the size of Connecticut

For five generations, the Reed Family has owned and operated the logging company Green Diamond Resource Co. The family's 1.7 million acres of land are primarily spread across Washington, Oregon, and California.

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• Land area: 1.4 million acres

• Roughly equal to: The size of Prince Edward Island

Real estate mogul and owner of the Los Angeles Rams, Stan Kroenke, owns 1.4 million acres of land in the United States, including a 124,000 acre ranch in Montana and additional land in Wyoming. Kroenke is married to Ann Walkton Kroenke, an heiress to the Wal-Mart fortune.
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ill Gates, the fourth richest person in the world and a self-described nerd who is known for his early programming skills rather than his love of the outdoors, has been quietly snatching up 242,000 acres of farmland across the U.S. — enough to make him the top private farmland owner in America.

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If you want to better understand who some of these stinking rich people are that want to depopulate the world and why they want to do it. This is a great read This is long, thorough, informative. It was added to the CIA library about 2 years ago

For those who are into this idea of depopulating the world it is important to understand

Their goal is a return to Feudalism and most Westerners will not fit into their plans

https://www.cia.gov/library/abbottabad-compound/FC/FC2F5371043C48FDD95A…


I am pleased & honored to present this book to those in the world who love the truth. This is a book for lovers of the Truth. This is a book for those who are already familiar with my past writings. An Illuminati Grand Master once said that the world is a stage and we are all actors. Of course this was not an original thought, but it certainly is a way of describing the Illuminati view of how the world works.


Chapter 1: THE ASTOR FAMILY

Chapter 2 The Bundy Bloodline

Chapter 3 THE COLLINS BLOODLINE

Chapter 4 THE DuPONTS

Chapter 5 The Freeman Bloodline

Chapter 6 THE KENNEDY FAMILY

Chapter 7 The Li Family

Chapter 8 THE ONASSIS BLOODLINE

Chapter 9 The Rockefeller Bloodline

Chapter 10 The Rothschild Bloodline

Chapter 11 The Russell Bloodline

Chapter 12 THE VAN DUYN BLOODLINE

Chapter 13 The Merovingian Bloodline

Chapter 14 The Disney Bloodline

Chapter 15 The Reynolds Bloodline

Chapter 15 McDonald Family

Chapter 16 THE KRUPPS


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GabeM wrote:
Look at a map , you will see there is more usable land that we are not currently using than we are. Of course it is...
Look at a map , you will see there is more usable land that we are not currently using than we are. Of course it is finite but we are nowhere near our planet's limit. By the time we reached the planets limit, it would be so far in the future, that better methods would be developed to meet the needs.

Think of what North America would be like if the stinking rich didn't eliminate wild Bison. Bison is a far better red meat protein source than cattle, but Bisonboy sounds, well you know, so the Cowboys wouldn't go for it.

Different people groups have adapted different diets that best suit their environment and need. For example both Japanese and Scandinavian folks have very similar diet amongst many of the other similarities. Both hardly eat red meat, and derive their proteins and fat mainly from the ocean, and in Scandinavians case also dairy. Both are some of the most healthiest folks in the world, (physical, societal, etc)
Since they are close enough to interbreed with viable offspring, I don't see how one is much better than the other. Now grass fed vs feedlot, grain, and shit tons of antibiotics isn't really the cows fault.
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Yeah, buffalo don't cooperate with being farmed. One of our neighbors tried that back in the day. You can't load them in a truck, so the...
Yeah, buffalo don't cooperate with being farmed. One of our neighbors tried that back in the day. You can't load them in a truck, so the best way to harvest the meat is to drive a beater truck out to the pasture (new ones just get beat up by the buffalo), then shoot the market-ready animal and field dress it really quickly. Then load the carcass in the truck and get the hell out of there.
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Yeah, buffalo don't cooperate with being farmed

They don't cooperate being farmed like cattle. You have to change nearly everything.
Funny, they raise them exactly like cattle here in Kansas, even have them in feedlots south of Scott City. I hear you have to go to a 5 wire fence instead of a 4 wire, but we had charolais bulls that easily jumped a 4 wire so not really that different.
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Yeah, buffalo don't cooperate with being farmed. One of our neighbors tried that back in the day. You can't load them in a truck, so the...
Yeah, buffalo don't cooperate with being farmed. One of our neighbors tried that back in the day. You can't load them in a truck, so the best way to harvest the meat is to drive a beater truck out to the pasture (new ones just get beat up by the buffalo), then shoot the market-ready animal and field dress it really quickly. Then load the carcass in the truck and get the hell out of there.
GabeM wrote:
Yeah, buffalo don't cooperate with being farmed

They don't cooperate being farmed like cattle. You have to change nearly everything.
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Funny, they raise them exactly like cattle here in Kansas, even have them in feedlots south of Scott City. I hear you have to go to...
Funny, they raise them exactly like cattle here in Kansas, even have them in feedlots south of Scott City. I hear you have to go to a 5 wire fence instead of a 4 wire, but we had charolais bulls that easily jumped a 4 wire so not really that different.
Its would be a ridiculously massive undertaking. My argument isn't in practicality, because it isn't.

When my brother bought his Bison, first day they broke through his fence, ran down the hill and wound up at the local high school. This was in the upscale hills of the East Bay Area. I believe they had to kill one or two on the spot. After several months of it, his wife made him butcher all of them.

My argument is that it is more practical, ethical and less of an undertakingl than depopulating the world to the levels the stinking rich want. They are talking about eliminating billions of people, how do we suppose they are going to do it? What would that look like?

Jabroni is the one that insists everyone has to eat a predominately red meat diet. That makes replacing beef even far more impractical because currently the vast majority of the people in the world do not eat red meat or have no access to it. That is a tangent.

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Look at a map , you will see there is more usable land that we are not currently using than we are. Of course it is...
Look at a map , you will see there is more usable land that we are not currently using than we are. Of course it is finite but we are nowhere near our planet's limit. By the time we reached the planets limit, it would be so far in the future, that better methods would be developed to meet the needs.

Think of what North America would be like if the stinking rich didn't eliminate wild Bison. Bison is a far better red meat protein source than cattle, but Bisonboy sounds, well you know, so the Cowboys wouldn't go for it.

Different people groups have adapted different diets that best suit their environment and need. For example both Japanese and Scandinavian folks have very similar diet amongst many of the other similarities. Both hardly eat red meat, and derive their proteins and fat mainly from the ocean, and in Scandinavians case also dairy. Both are some of the most healthiest folks in the world, (physical, societal, etc)
Timo wrote:
Since they are close enough to interbreed with viable offspring, I don't see how one is much better than the other. Now grass fed vs feedlot...
Since they are close enough to interbreed with viable offspring, I don't see how one is much better than the other. Now grass fed vs feedlot, grain, and shit tons of antibiotics isn't really the cows fault.
Bison can live where cows can't. In the very north frozen tundra areas, which are vast and mostly unused for regular folks purposes.
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You are insisting that everyone in the world eat a red meat diet. There are over a billion people currently in the world who choose not to regardless of availability. There are Billions more who are living on a non red meat diet that would easily be able to maintain it. So yes, it is a tangent because it is a separate issue from depopulation, Especially when the last thing the depopulation folks are going to do is allow their serfs to eat red meat.
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You guys are way off on bison. We raise them up here lots. And they actually don’t have as much meat on them as a cow. Most of what you see on a bison is head and cape.
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Scarcity is ugly, it is even uglier when it is purposely artificial.

All I'm saying is,

We don't have to worry about providing the peoples who are not currently eating a red meat diet (which is a huge portion of the world's population) we will leave their diet for them to figure out themselves.

As far as scarcity goes. There were, nearly as many bison in N America before colonization as there are cattle today. Imagine what that was like. North America are the Bison's natural habitat, not cattle's. This incredible red meat food source was intentionally eliminated for the purpose of displacing the Native population. (displacement is always one of there primary tactics)

This is important, because what I am proposing as a solution is a return to what nature had already accomplished. Couple that with other types wild game and our red meat supply in North America will be more than adequate and we would be able to export massive amounts. Canada would be best served by this. They could have more red meat than they know what to do with, but choose not to. Ostrich, Emu and game like that are also a prospective meat source and I don't know what their nutrients are , but they look and taste like red meat.

Date Number of Bison
< 1800 60 million
1830 40 million
1840 35,650,000
1870 5,500,000
1880 395,000
1889 541
1900 300
1944-47 5,000
2016 400,000






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You guys are way off on bison. We raise them up here lots. And they actually don’t have as much meat on them as a cow...
You guys are way off on bison. We raise them up here lots. And they actually don’t have as much meat on them as a cow. Most of what you see on a bison is head and cape.
You have to compare them to grass fed beef, which the yield is similar but the Bison is more nutritious and the meat is more muscle than where cows have a lot of wasted fat.

The main advantage of Bison besides health, is their independence and especially the environments they can thrive in where cows can't.
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Population is a major issue, and we should all ask ourselves, why are our Political leaders continually adding to it? and especially encouraging a flood of illegal immigration from the south. Like in Europe our population increases are artificial through legal and illegal immigration that is funded by these same group of stinking rich people.

ie artificial scarcity, displacement etc "eat your plant based burger, and like it"
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If you want to better understand who some of these stinking rich people are that want to depopulate the world and why they want to do...
If you want to better understand who some of these stinking rich people are that want to depopulate the world and why they want to do it. This is a great read This is long, thorough, informative. It was added to the CIA library about 2 years ago

For those who are into this idea of depopulating the world it is important to understand

Their goal is a return to Feudalism and most Westerners will not fit into their plans

https://www.cia.gov/library/abbottabad-compound/FC/FC2F5371043C48FDD95A…


I am pleased & honored to present this book to those in the world who love the truth. This is a book for lovers of the Truth. This is a book for those who are already familiar with my past writings. An Illuminati Grand Master once said that the world is a stage and we are all actors. Of course this was not an original thought, but it certainly is a way of describing the Illuminati view of how the world works.


Chapter 1: THE ASTOR FAMILY

Chapter 2 The Bundy Bloodline

Chapter 3 THE COLLINS BLOODLINE

Chapter 4 THE DuPONTS

Chapter 5 The Freeman Bloodline

Chapter 6 THE KENNEDY FAMILY

Chapter 7 The Li Family

Chapter 8 THE ONASSIS BLOODLINE

Chapter 9 The Rockefeller Bloodline

Chapter 10 The Rothschild Bloodline

Chapter 11 The Russell Bloodline

Chapter 12 THE VAN DUYN BLOODLINE

Chapter 13 The Merovingian Bloodline

Chapter 14 The Disney Bloodline

Chapter 15 The Reynolds Bloodline

Chapter 15 McDonald Family

Chapter 16 THE KRUPPS


You should at least reveal WHY this is part of the CIA ‘library’…….

It’s definitely intellectually dishonest to infer that the content’s veracity is enhanced by being part of the documents catalogued by the CIA
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GabeM wrote:
If you want to better understand who some of these stinking rich people are that want to depopulate the world and why they want to do...
If you want to better understand who some of these stinking rich people are that want to depopulate the world and why they want to do it. This is a great read This is long, thorough, informative. It was added to the CIA library about 2 years ago

For those who are into this idea of depopulating the world it is important to understand

Their goal is a return to Feudalism and most Westerners will not fit into their plans

https://www.cia.gov/library/abbottabad-compound/FC/FC2F5371043C48FDD95A…


I am pleased & honored to present this book to those in the world who love the truth. This is a book for lovers of the Truth. This is a book for those who are already familiar with my past writings. An Illuminati Grand Master once said that the world is a stage and we are all actors. Of course this was not an original thought, but it certainly is a way of describing the Illuminati view of how the world works.


Chapter 1: THE ASTOR FAMILY

Chapter 2 The Bundy Bloodline

Chapter 3 THE COLLINS BLOODLINE

Chapter 4 THE DuPONTS

Chapter 5 The Freeman Bloodline

Chapter 6 THE KENNEDY FAMILY

Chapter 7 The Li Family

Chapter 8 THE ONASSIS BLOODLINE

Chapter 9 The Rockefeller Bloodline

Chapter 10 The Rothschild Bloodline

Chapter 11 The Russell Bloodline

Chapter 12 THE VAN DUYN BLOODLINE

Chapter 13 The Merovingian Bloodline

Chapter 14 The Disney Bloodline

Chapter 15 The Reynolds Bloodline

Chapter 15 McDonald Family

Chapter 16 THE KRUPPS


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You should at least reveal WHY this is part of the CIA ‘library’……. It’s definitely intellectually dishonest to infer that the content’s veracity is enhanced by...
You should at least reveal WHY this is part of the CIA ‘library’…….

It’s definitely intellectually dishonest to infer that the content’s veracity is enhanced by being part of the documents catalogued by the CIA
There is no why. It was put out two years ago. No explanation given. I know it was one of the books on OBL's bookcase, but if that were the reason it would have been put out before. It is what it is.take it or leave it. But saying I am intellectually dishonest is complete bullshit, but that is to be expected from you
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You would have to look at every instance individually. because every conflict would have numerous factors involved for why they had them.
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If you want to better understand who some of these stinking rich people are that want to depopulate the world and why they want to do...
If you want to better understand who some of these stinking rich people are that want to depopulate the world and why they want to do it. This is a great read This is long, thorough, informative. It was added to the CIA library about 2 years ago

For those who are into this idea of depopulating the world it is important to understand

Their goal is a return to Feudalism and most Westerners will not fit into their plans

https://www.cia.gov/library/abbottabad-compound/FC/FC2F5371043C48FDD95A…


I am pleased & honored to present this book to those in the world who love the truth. This is a book for lovers of the Truth. This is a book for those who are already familiar with my past writings. An Illuminati Grand Master once said that the world is a stage and we are all actors. Of course this was not an original thought, but it certainly is a way of describing the Illuminati view of how the world works.


Chapter 1: THE ASTOR FAMILY

Chapter 2 The Bundy Bloodline

Chapter 3 THE COLLINS BLOODLINE

Chapter 4 THE DuPONTS

Chapter 5 The Freeman Bloodline

Chapter 6 THE KENNEDY FAMILY

Chapter 7 The Li Family

Chapter 8 THE ONASSIS BLOODLINE

Chapter 9 The Rockefeller Bloodline

Chapter 10 The Rothschild Bloodline

Chapter 11 The Russell Bloodline

Chapter 12 THE VAN DUYN BLOODLINE

Chapter 13 The Merovingian Bloodline

Chapter 14 The Disney Bloodline

Chapter 15 The Reynolds Bloodline

Chapter 15 McDonald Family

Chapter 16 THE KRUPPS


APLMAN99 wrote:
You should at least reveal WHY this is part of the CIA ‘library’……. It’s definitely intellectually dishonest to infer that the content’s veracity is enhanced by...
You should at least reveal WHY this is part of the CIA ‘library’…….

It’s definitely intellectually dishonest to infer that the content’s veracity is enhanced by being part of the documents catalogued by the CIA
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There is no why. It was put out two years ago. No explanation given. I know it was one of the books on OBL's bookcase, but...
There is no why. It was put out two years ago. No explanation given. I know it was one of the books on OBL's bookcase, but if that were the reason it would have been put out before. It is what it is.take it or leave it. But saying I am intellectually dishonest is complete bullshit, but that is to be expected from you
It was “put out” more than two years ago.

The URL address alone explains why it is there.

The fact that you attempted to infer that it was something that the CIA “believes” is extremely dishonest at best.
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Of course it is, and you wouldn't have to get rid of all the beef, or even most of them. The main thing is Bison can live where cows can't which is also the same land that is going unused except for oil and mining etc
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You should at least reveal WHY this is part of the CIA ‘library’……. It’s definitely intellectually dishonest to infer that the content’s veracity is enhanced by...
You should at least reveal WHY this is part of the CIA ‘library’…….

It’s definitely intellectually dishonest to infer that the content’s veracity is enhanced by being part of the documents catalogued by the CIA
GabeM wrote:
There is no why. It was put out two years ago. No explanation given. I know it was one of the books on OBL's bookcase, but...
There is no why. It was put out two years ago. No explanation given. I know it was one of the books on OBL's bookcase, but if that were the reason it would have been put out before. It is what it is.take it or leave it. But saying I am intellectually dishonest is complete bullshit, but that is to be expected from you
APLMAN99 wrote:
It was “put out” more than two years ago. The URL address alone explains why it is there. The fact that you attempted to infer that...
It was “put out” more than two years ago.

The URL address alone explains why it is there.

The fact that you attempted to infer that it was something that the CIA “believes” is extremely dishonest at best.
I did not infer anything, Okay so it was three years ago, my bad. And believe me the C_A doesn't lend any credit they literally are the people who cary these families' water. But who was head of the CIA when it was put on there? that will give you a clue why it is there
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GabeM wrote:
There is no why. It was put out two years ago. No explanation given. I know it was one of the books on OBL's bookcase, but...
There is no why. It was put out two years ago. No explanation given. I know it was one of the books on OBL's bookcase, but if that were the reason it would have been put out before. It is what it is.take it or leave it. But saying I am intellectually dishonest is complete bullshit, but that is to be expected from you
APLMAN99 wrote:
It was “put out” more than two years ago. The URL address alone explains why it is there. The fact that you attempted to infer that...
It was “put out” more than two years ago.

The URL address alone explains why it is there.

The fact that you attempted to infer that it was something that the CIA “believes” is extremely dishonest at best.
GabeM wrote:
I did not infer anything, Okay so it was three years ago, my bad. And believe me the C_A doesn't lend any credit they literally are...
I did not infer anything, Okay so it was three years ago, my bad. And believe me the C_A doesn't lend any credit they literally are the people who cary these families' water. But who was head of the CIA when it was put on there? that will give you a clue why it is there
The info was released by at least 2015. It was re-catalogued in mid 2018.

Don’t even try to say that you weren’t inferring that because it was catalogued by the CIA it was legitimate info.
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7/3/2021 8:16pm Edited Date/Time 7/3/2021 8:39pm
APLMAN99 wrote:
It was “put out” more than two years ago. The URL address alone explains why it is there. The fact that you attempted to infer that...
It was “put out” more than two years ago.

The URL address alone explains why it is there.

The fact that you attempted to infer that it was something that the CIA “believes” is extremely dishonest at best.
GabeM wrote:
I did not infer anything, Okay so it was three years ago, my bad. And believe me the C_A doesn't lend any credit they literally are...
I did not infer anything, Okay so it was three years ago, my bad. And believe me the C_A doesn't lend any credit they literally are the people who cary these families' water. But who was head of the CIA when it was put on there? that will give you a clue why it is there
APLMAN99 wrote:
The info was released by at least 2015. It was re-catalogued in mid 2018. Don’t even try to say that you weren’t inferring that because it...
The info was released by at least 2015. It was re-catalogued in mid 2018.

Don’t even try to say that you weren’t inferring that because it was catalogued by the CIA it was legitimate info.
No, your weirdness projects I was inferring something, I posted a link to a document that stands on its own. if you have an issue with what is stated in it, or how accurate it is then deal with the info.

Should I stop citing the info I post? I link every thing I take info from.

It is a book that is for sale on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Bloodlines-Illuminati-Fritz-Springmeier/dp/09727…

It isn't a report or even resembling a report. It is a freaking book

This was made available to the public on their website in November 2017. It wasn't released earlier with some of the other documents, I wonder why? There's your inference

But yeah , you are right, I didn't even bother to look why it was there, because I wasn't inferring any credibility.
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I did not infer anything, Okay so it was three years ago, my bad. And believe me the C_A doesn't lend any credit they literally are...
I did not infer anything, Okay so it was three years ago, my bad. And believe me the C_A doesn't lend any credit they literally are the people who cary these families' water. But who was head of the CIA when it was put on there? that will give you a clue why it is there
APLMAN99 wrote:
The info was released by at least 2015. It was re-catalogued in mid 2018. Don’t even try to say that you weren’t inferring that because it...
The info was released by at least 2015. It was re-catalogued in mid 2018.

Don’t even try to say that you weren’t inferring that because it was catalogued by the CIA it was legitimate info.
GabeM wrote:
No, your weirdness projects I was inferring something, I posted a link to a document that stands on its own. if you have an issue with...
No, your weirdness projects I was inferring something, I posted a link to a document that stands on its own. if you have an issue with what is stated in it, or how accurate it is then deal with the info.

Should I stop citing the info I post? I link every thing I take info from.

It is a book that is for sale on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Bloodlines-Illuminati-Fritz-Springmeier/dp/09727…

It isn't a report or even resembling a report. It is a freaking book

This was made available to the public on their website in November 2017. It wasn't released earlier with some of the other documents, I wonder why? There's your inference

But yeah , you are right, I didn't even bother to look why it was there, because I wasn't inferring any credibility.
The fact that it was revealed to the public by our intelligence agencies over 6 years ago, in 2015, is well documented.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32816412

Stop denying your obvious inference. At least be honest in your arguments.
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The info was released by at least 2015. It was re-catalogued in mid 2018. Don’t even try to say that you weren’t inferring that because it...
The info was released by at least 2015. It was re-catalogued in mid 2018.

Don’t even try to say that you weren’t inferring that because it was catalogued by the CIA it was legitimate info.
GabeM wrote:
No, your weirdness projects I was inferring something, I posted a link to a document that stands on its own. if you have an issue with...
No, your weirdness projects I was inferring something, I posted a link to a document that stands on its own. if you have an issue with what is stated in it, or how accurate it is then deal with the info.

Should I stop citing the info I post? I link every thing I take info from.

It is a book that is for sale on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Bloodlines-Illuminati-Fritz-Springmeier/dp/09727…

It isn't a report or even resembling a report. It is a freaking book

This was made available to the public on their website in November 2017. It wasn't released earlier with some of the other documents, I wonder why? There's your inference

But yeah , you are right, I didn't even bother to look why it was there, because I wasn't inferring any credibility.
APLMAN99 wrote:
The fact that it was revealed to the public by our intelligence agencies over 6 years ago, in 2015, is well documented. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32816412 Stop denying your...
The fact that it was revealed to the public by our intelligence agencies over 6 years ago, in 2015, is well documented.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32816412

Stop denying your obvious inference. At least be honest in your arguments.
They may have released what was on his shelf which is probably how I was familiar with it. But the document wasn't on their website until November 2017

You are just looking to discredit me because you don't like what I have to say , ever. You obviously down vote almost every post I make. You have a weird complex

You can't deal with the info so you try to discredit my citations


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No, your weirdness projects I was inferring something, I posted a link to a document that stands on its own. if you have an issue with...
No, your weirdness projects I was inferring something, I posted a link to a document that stands on its own. if you have an issue with what is stated in it, or how accurate it is then deal with the info.

Should I stop citing the info I post? I link every thing I take info from.

It is a book that is for sale on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Bloodlines-Illuminati-Fritz-Springmeier/dp/09727…

It isn't a report or even resembling a report. It is a freaking book

This was made available to the public on their website in November 2017. It wasn't released earlier with some of the other documents, I wonder why? There's your inference

But yeah , you are right, I didn't even bother to look why it was there, because I wasn't inferring any credibility.
APLMAN99 wrote:
The fact that it was revealed to the public by our intelligence agencies over 6 years ago, in 2015, is well documented. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32816412 Stop denying your...
The fact that it was revealed to the public by our intelligence agencies over 6 years ago, in 2015, is well documented.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32816412

Stop denying your obvious inference. At least be honest in your arguments.
GabeM wrote:
They may have released what was on his shelf which is probably how I was familiar with it. But the document wasn't on their website until...
They may have released what was on his shelf which is probably how I was familiar with it. But the document wasn't on their website until November 2017

You are just looking to discredit me because you don't like what I have to say , ever. You obviously down vote almost every post I make. You have a weird complex

You can't deal with the info so you try to discredit my citations


You are correct, I have a ‘weird complex’. I definitely find it weird when people are dishonest about their intentions and post bullshit like you did with those dishonest intentions.

I’m definitely guilty of that.

And I hate liars.
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If you want to better understand who some of these stinking rich people are that want to depopulate the world and why they want to do...
If you want to better understand who some of these stinking rich people are that want to depopulate the world and why they want to do it. This is a great read This is long, thorough, informative. It was added to the CIA library about 2 years ago

For those who are into this idea of depopulating the world it is important to understand

Their goal is a return to Feudalism and most Westerners will not fit into their plans

https://www.cia.gov/library/abbottabad-compound/FC/FC2F5371043C48FDD95A…


I am pleased & honored to present this book to those in the world who love the truth. This is a book for lovers of the Truth. This is a book for those who are already familiar with my past writings. An Illuminati Grand Master once said that the world is a stage and we are all actors. Of course this was not an original thought, but it certainly is a way of describing the Illuminati view of how the world works.


Chapter 1: THE ASTOR FAMILY

Chapter 2 The Bundy Bloodline

Chapter 3 THE COLLINS BLOODLINE

Chapter 4 THE DuPONTS

Chapter 5 The Freeman Bloodline

Chapter 6 THE KENNEDY FAMILY

Chapter 7 The Li Family

Chapter 8 THE ONASSIS BLOODLINE

Chapter 9 The Rockefeller Bloodline

Chapter 10 The Rothschild Bloodline

Chapter 11 The Russell Bloodline

Chapter 12 THE VAN DUYN BLOODLINE

Chapter 13 The Merovingian Bloodline

Chapter 14 The Disney Bloodline

Chapter 15 The Reynolds Bloodline

Chapter 15 McDonald Family

Chapter 16 THE KRUPPS


I am pleased & honored to present this book to those in the world who love the truth. This is a book for lovers of the Truth. This is a book for those who are already familiar with my past writings. An Illuminati Grand Master once said that the world is a stage and we are all actors. Of course this was not an original thought, but it certainly is a way of describing the Illuminati view of how the world works.
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7/3/2021 9:50pm Edited Date/Time 7/3/2021 10:04pm
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The fact that it was revealed to the public by our intelligence agencies over 6 years ago, in 2015, is well documented. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32816412 Stop denying your...
The fact that it was revealed to the public by our intelligence agencies over 6 years ago, in 2015, is well documented.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32816412

Stop denying your obvious inference. At least be honest in your arguments.
GabeM wrote:
They may have released what was on his shelf which is probably how I was familiar with it. But the document wasn't on their website until...
They may have released what was on his shelf which is probably how I was familiar with it. But the document wasn't on their website until November 2017

You are just looking to discredit me because you don't like what I have to say , ever. You obviously down vote almost every post I make. You have a weird complex

You can't deal with the info so you try to discredit my citations


APLMAN99 wrote:
You are correct, I have a ‘weird complex’. I definitely find it weird when people are dishonest about their intentions and post bullshit like you did...
You are correct, I have a ‘weird complex’. I definitely find it weird when people are dishonest about their intentions and post bullshit like you did with those dishonest intentions.

I’m definitely guilty of that.

And I hate liars.
No you are just a weirdo who is trying to find a way to discredit me like you always do because you can never deal with the subject matter.

You are accusing me of being a liar because I didn't research why something was on a website

You are projecting that I would infer that because I cited a document on the CIA website that makes it accurate and credible

You are the liar



I have no idea when or why this was posted but it is your entire schtick

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem


ad hominem adjective

appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect
an ad hominem argument

:marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made
made an ad hominem personal attack on his rival

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