End of the Olympics? edit: (as we know them)

ocscottie wrote:

Look at this one, a freakin weightlifter!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/weightlifter-laurel-hubbar…

MotoTribology wrote:

These are games and sports of no consequence to the world at large. Someone is either the best at something or they are not, regardless of...

These are games and sports of no consequence to the world at large. Someone is either the best at something or they are not, regardless of gender.

On to the next outrage du jour people.

sumdood wrote:

Let me take a guess here, you don’t have a daughter involved in any type of sports ?

MotoTribology wrote:

Correct, sir. All boys for me.

I had this view prior to my children though. I believe sports and games should be "co-ed" at all levels.

sumdood wrote:

Okay, everyone is entitled to their opinion and that's fine. But we won't really know if you'd feel any different if you had girls because you...

Okay, everyone is entitled to their opinion and that's fine. But we won't really know if you'd feel any different if you had girls because you didn't, ...but I'd bet a case of beer if you had 3 daughters, and they competed in girls / women's sports and were doing quite well, maybe even looking at a scholarship or professional career in said sport, and then 2021 comes along and your girls get their asses handed to them by a transgender male and are no longer competitive, lose whatever scholarship or career they might have had and get discouraged and quit. You'd feel different.
I have a friend whose daughter races mx, she signed up in the women's class in a semi big (local) race, and got 2nd to a girl that was born a guy. You're saying that's cool ? and they shouldn't even have women's classes ? I get it and that's fine if that's what you think. But you'll never have the same perspective as the father of a daughter will. Case of beer says if you had 3 girls you'd feel different But like I said we'll never know. Maybe in the future you'll have a grand daughter and we can revisit this subject.

MotoTribology wrote:

I never said anything about participation trophies, and you suggested your daughter's "larger purpose in life" is to attract men. I'm about done with this back...

I never said anything about participation trophies, and you suggested your daughter's "larger purpose in life" is to attract men.

I'm about done with this back and forth though. Nothing more to say on my end.

Ghost of Jabroni wrote:

Again, more intellectual dishonesty. I never said my daughter's larger purpose in life was to attract men. I said she had a larger purpose in life...

Again, more intellectual dishonesty. I never said my daughter's larger purpose in life was to attract men.

I said she had a larger purpose in life. That's exactly what I said.

You then twisted that into claiming I said a woman's sole purpose is to please men.

You havent had much to say other than to make points off of twisting my words to suit your narrative. Dont worry, the conversation will carry on fine without you.

We all have larger purposes in life. Taking fatherhood seriously teaches us that.

OG725 wrote:

As men and women we have very different natural roles. Women are supposed to take care of the kids, men are supposed to bring home the...

As men and women we have very different natural roles. Women are supposed to take care of the kids, men are supposed to bring home the food and provide protection.

Very elementary stuff. The further we get away from our “natural roles”, the more we see the breakdown of society as a whole.

We are herd animals, some more than others. People seem to forget that we’re “THE” Apex Predator.

OG725 wrote:

I’ve got three daughters and a son. Two granddaughters and three grandsons. If you look at the degradation of Western society, it happens around the time...

I’ve got three daughters and a son. Two granddaughters and three grandsons.

If you look at the degradation of Western society, it happens around the time we took mom out of the home. Our children are being stored like meat in facilities with people that really don’t care about them other than indoctrinating them.

Mom and dad are so busy making money, chasing that dollar, being good consumers, that we have lost the core family unit.

I recently read a study and it compared a 1950s family three-bedroom house two cars in the driveway only dad worked with a modern family same scenario but both mom and dad worked. Which family do you think had more expendable income at the end of the day?

OG725 wrote:

I’ve got three daughters and a son. Two granddaughters and three grandsons. If you look at the degradation of Western society, it happens around the time...

I’ve got three daughters and a son. Two granddaughters and three grandsons.

If you look at the degradation of Western society, it happens around the time we took mom out of the home. Our children are being stored like meat in facilities with people that really don’t care about them other than indoctrinating them.

Mom and dad are so busy making money, chasing that dollar, being good consumers, that we have lost the core family unit.

I recently read a study and it compared a 1950s family three-bedroom house two cars in the driveway only dad worked with a modern family same scenario but both mom and dad worked. Which family do you think had more expendable income at the end of the day?

Serenity now wrote:

And do you think woman were happier in the 50s or today? I’m not sure, but if I had to guess I would say the “average”...

And do you think woman were happier in the 50s or today? I’m not sure, but if I had to guess I would say the “average” woman is more fulfilled and happier today.

So do you think your daughters and granddaughters should just be homemakers, and ignore other dreams if they want to go down the professional route?

OG725 wrote:

If they want to go down the professional route, they should not have children.

OG725 wrote:

Has society really evolved or has it devolved?

OG725 wrote:

I’ve got three daughters and a son. Two granddaughters and three grandsons. If you look at the degradation of Western society, it happens around the time...

I’ve got three daughters and a son. Two granddaughters and three grandsons.

If you look at the degradation of Western society, it happens around the time we took mom out of the home. Our children are being stored like meat in facilities with people that really don’t care about them other than indoctrinating them.

Mom and dad are so busy making money, chasing that dollar, being good consumers, that we have lost the core family unit.

I recently read a study and it compared a 1950s family three-bedroom house two cars in the driveway only dad worked with a modern family same scenario but both mom and dad worked. Which family do you think had more expendable income at the end of the day?

Serenity now wrote:

And do you think woman were happier in the 50s or today? I’m not sure, but if I had to guess I would say the “average”...

And do you think woman were happier in the 50s or today? I’m not sure, but if I had to guess I would say the “average” woman is more fulfilled and happier today.

So do you think your daughters and granddaughters should just be homemakers, and ignore other dreams if they want to go down the professional route?

OG725 wrote:

If they want to go down the professional route, they should not have children.

OG725 wrote:

Has society really evolved or has it devolved?

Serenity now wrote:

I personally think it has evolved. Sure it still has huge problems, but people live longer now, our understanding of the world is better, it’s safer...

I personally think it has evolved. Sure it still has huge problems, but people live longer now, our understanding of the world is better, it’s safer than any time in history, for a relatively low price you can travel to the other side of the world and experience all sorts of other cultures. I could go on, but I understand it’s a subjective opinion.
Unless we are talking about science and knowledge, in which case we have unequivocally evolved.

The world was not a utopia 50 years ago.

OG725 wrote:

If they want to go down the professional route, they should not have children.

early wrote:

Way to be on the side of freedom

Serenity now wrote:

First thing, i want to be very clear I dont believe trans gender people should be competing in the olympics with the opposite sex to that...

First thing, i want to be very clear I dont believe trans gender people should be competing in the olympics with the opposite sex to that of their birth. I am all for their rights to do whatever the f**k they want, but its not fair to their competitors.

Now OG, i see your point. and historically you are right, but as humanity has developed, do you really think woman should really just raise kids and put food on the table?

As the father of a young girl, my daughter can do whatever the f**k she wants. If that is be a stay at home mum, great. If she wants to be surgeon, great.

Do you have a daughter? if so would you really tell her. "darling, your job is to stay at home and have kids, its not your natural role to have a job and make a good salary"
Do you work with woman? in my professional experience, they do their job just like men, some are great, some are f**king hopeless. just like the guys I work with.

KMC440 wrote:

So if you're a guy yet "identify" as a woman and have a tested threshold testosterone number you're good to go as a woman ? Ok...

So if you're a guy yet "identify" as a woman and have a tested threshold testosterone number you're good to go as a woman ?
Ok if I'm a born-as woman I'm done with the Olympics. Why would you train for YEARS knowing some Jerry now Julie is going to beat you out to represent your country?
Find it fascinating in today's woke "fairness" world that the true feminists don't go apeshit over this.

I don't care what you do with your life but the field of play should never be allowed to be compromised.

Serenity now wrote:

First thing, i want to be very clear I dont believe trans gender people should be competing in the olympics with the opposite sex to that...

First thing, i want to be very clear I dont believe trans gender people should be competing in the olympics with the opposite sex to that of their birth. I am all for their rights to do whatever the f**k they want, but its not fair to their competitors.

Now OG, i see your point. and historically you are right, but as humanity has developed, do you really think woman should really just raise kids and put food on the table?

As the father of a young girl, my daughter can do whatever the f**k she wants. If that is be a stay at home mum, great. If she wants to be surgeon, great.

Do you have a daughter? if so would you really tell her. "darling, your job is to stay at home and have kids, its not your natural role to have a job and make a good salary"
Do you work with woman? in my professional experience, they do their job just like men, some are great, some are f**king hopeless. just like the guys I work with.

Ghost of Jabroni wrote:

Raising kids is one of, if not the, most important job their is. The fact that it’s been devalued by feminists is the problem. Nobody Should...

Raising kids is one of, if not the, most important job their is.

The fact that it’s been devalued by feminists is the problem.

Nobody Should think less of a woman because she’s doing her natural role. I know I dont think less of my wife. I appreciate the hell out of her and her responsibility.

I find it weird that society thinks Im the chauvinist when it’s feminism that actually thinks less of women.

Motherhood is hard as fuck if done right.

Serenity now wrote:

I know many woman who are great mothers who also have professional careers. My wife is one of them, and so was my mother. Do you...

I know many woman who are great mothers who also have professional careers.
My wife is one of them, and so was my mother.
Do you really think a family can’t give children a good childhood and also work at the same time?

Serenity now wrote:

First thing, i want to be very clear I dont believe trans gender people should be competing in the olympics with the opposite sex to that...

First thing, i want to be very clear I dont believe trans gender people should be competing in the olympics with the opposite sex to that of their birth. I am all for their rights to do whatever the f**k they want, but its not fair to their competitors.

Now OG, i see your point. and historically you are right, but as humanity has developed, do you really think woman should really just raise kids and put food on the table?

As the father of a young girl, my daughter can do whatever the f**k she wants. If that is be a stay at home mum, great. If she wants to be surgeon, great.

Do you have a daughter? if so would you really tell her. "darling, your job is to stay at home and have kids, its not your natural role to have a job and make a good salary"
Do you work with woman? in my professional experience, they do their job just like men, some are great, some are f**king hopeless. just like the guys I work with.

Ghost of Jabroni wrote:

Raising kids is one of, if not the, most important job their is. The fact that it’s been devalued by feminists is the problem. Nobody Should...

Raising kids is one of, if not the, most important job their is.

The fact that it’s been devalued by feminists is the problem.

Nobody Should think less of a woman because she’s doing her natural role. I know I dont think less of my wife. I appreciate the hell out of her and her responsibility.

I find it weird that society thinks Im the chauvinist when it’s feminism that actually thinks less of women.

Motherhood is hard as fuck if done right.

Serenity now wrote:

I completely agree, but if a woman wants a career they absolutely should be able to. What another family wants to do is none of my...

I completely agree, but if a woman wants a career they absolutely should be able to.
What another family wants to do is none of my business, wether that’s a career and kids, a career and no kids, or staying home with kids. Have at it.

OG725 wrote:

PS, I don’t think women belong in the military either, or homosexuals, or transsexuals.

Ghost of Jabroni wrote:

Raising kids is one of, if not the, most important job their is. The fact that it’s been devalued by feminists is the problem. Nobody Should...

Raising kids is one of, if not the, most important job their is.

The fact that it’s been devalued by feminists is the problem.

Nobody Should think less of a woman because she’s doing her natural role. I know I dont think less of my wife. I appreciate the hell out of her and her responsibility.

I find it weird that society thinks Im the chauvinist when it’s feminism that actually thinks less of women.

Motherhood is hard as fuck if done right.

early wrote:

Way to be on the side of freedom

early wrote:

Parenthood is hard as fuck. Most of the time it's the man that shirks his responsibility and sticks it all on the mother. My wife is...

Parenthood is hard as fuck.

Most of the time it's the man that shirks his responsibility and sticks it all on the mother.

My wife is a stay at home mom while we have young kids, its great. I have friends that are stay at home dads, I have friends that are both professionals working. We are all "lazy millenials". We all love our kids and want the best for them. We all have our own ideas of what that looks like.

Women should have the freedom to make their own decisions about how they want their life and their time as a mother to be.

Serenity now wrote:

I know many woman who are great mothers who also have professional careers. My wife is one of them, and so was my mother. Do you...

I know many woman who are great mothers who also have professional careers.
My wife is one of them, and so was my mother.
Do you really think a family can’t give children a good childhood and also work at the same time?

Ghost of Jabroni wrote:

I dont. Motherhood is that hard. I think the term “great parent” way overused. The bar for that term is so low it’s embarrassing. Being good...

I dont.

Motherhood is that hard.

I think the term “great parent” way overused. The bar for that term is so low it’s embarrassing.

Being good at something (career or motherhood) is damn difficult. Anyine that says it isnt, probably isnt good at it. And if you think you’re great at career AND parenthood, then you’re basically saying you’re super human.

A woman can be great a 2 of 3.

Mother
Wife
Career

Past 2, something has to give.

Highly successful women know this. Which is why most of them give up their careers to be mothers.

I know plenty of career having moms that think they’re great at everything. They outsource their kid’s education to the shitty public school system and dont have time for their husbands. They THINK it’s working. They pretend they’re happy. But they’re not. Especially evident by the fact that when they meet my wife and find out we’re old fashioned, they desperately always try to convince her that somethings wrong. Meanwhile while Im getting to know the husbands, I hear them complain how miserable they are.

Society may try to evolve. Biology doesnt move that fast tho.

Serenity now wrote:

I think my wife has all 3, and so did my mum. I also know lots of woman who in my opinion do a great job...

I think my wife has all 3, and so did my mum.
I also know lots of woman who in my opinion do a great job with all 3. I agree it’s tough, and maybe needs a little more help from the man.

It’s bullshit if people try to convince you that “your way” is wrong, but I would say the same applies the other way.
Every kid is different, every woman is different and every bloke is different, every occupation is different, every families level of support from people around them is different.
Different things work for different people.
I know people in old fashioned relationships who are happy, some who aren’t, some who are great parents and some who are shit parents.
The same applies for families with 2 working parents.

Serenity now wrote:

I think my wife has all 3, and so did my mum. I also know lots of woman who in my opinion do a great job...

I think my wife has all 3, and so did my mum.
I also know lots of woman who in my opinion do a great job with all 3. I agree it’s tough, and maybe needs a little more help from the man.

It’s bullshit if people try to convince you that “your way” is wrong, but I would say the same applies the other way.
Every kid is different, every woman is different and every bloke is different, every occupation is different, every families level of support from people around them is different.
Different things work for different people.
I know people in old fashioned relationships who are happy, some who aren’t, some who are great parents and some who are shit parents.
The same applies for families with 2 working parents.

Ghost of Jabroni wrote:

I never try to convince others they’re wrong on this discussion. We’re just a bunch of dudes having a cool conversation. I’ll state my argument. But...

I never try to convince others they’re wrong on this discussion. We’re just a bunch of dudes having a cool conversation.

I’ll state my argument. But generally I sit back and laugh when the people I know personally tell me “it’s working”. I let them think that. But they also tell me all the reasons it isn’t working when they complain about lack of sex, they resent their kids, and how unhappy they are.

My wife tells people how happy she is yet they try to change her and if she doesn’t, they get quite upset. That’s a product of where we live tho. Hyper hippy utopia. And fwiw, my wife is the opposite of me. Super easy going, non confrontational, easy on the eyes. These bitches that attack and then shun her got no good excuse for the behavior. Me? Im hard to like and I know it HAHA.

OG725 wrote:

PS, I don’t think women belong in the military either, or homosexuals, or transsexuals.

sumdood wrote:

Now yer sounding like a hillbilly redneck. Our daughter did 4 years on the Reagan. Was she fighting hand to hand on the front line in...

Now yer sounding like a hillbilly redneck. Our daughter did 4 years on the Reagan. Was she fighting hand to hand on the front line in some desert shithole town or in the middle of a jungle ? No. Did she serve her country and do the job she was given just as good (or better ?) than a guy could have ? 100% Not everyone in the service is a marine on the front line. Gonna have to agree to disagree on this one cowboy.

OG725 wrote:

My statement comes only from my personal experience in the military.