Why are the bikes priced so high in this economy?

trick121
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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 11:29pm
Motorcycle shops must be doing just fine because I see no bargins or deals.
I'm surprised nobody is hurting to sell a dirt bike. I'm thinking the economy hasn't tanked enough for desperation sells.

Is your local shop giving bikes away yet?



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Scotty
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How can they give away bikes when there is no profit in them anyways?
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6/25/2009 11:06pm
I hate to break it to you, but they were already giving them away (in terms of the profit margin)
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No bargains here. I went to go buy a rear tire 2 weeks ago, and the cheapest tire they had was $98. I bought one online and after shipping to HI it was $70.
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I know they are cutting back on support to A and B riders. Before some shops were giving out about 10-14 new bikes to racers in my area. Now one guy gets one bike a year and has to give it back after the season.

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Kawi dealer is on its way out of business here in town. Everything 50+% off.

Yamaha and KTM are under one shop now.

Honda and Suzuki were always one shop but they only have one 2009 model in stock, period. No Suzuki's at all.

In a city of over 350,000 people.
41NDT
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Yamaha of Troy website - 1 screw = US$1.20
I payed AUS $7 for the same screw from the bike shop where i get my stuff from, yes i feel ripped of but we have to support the shops and also the shops have to stop jacking off on prices like these small things. Next thing i bought a set of shift gear (leopard stuff) and i got a killer deal from my shop so some things have to be wayed up. Me i will continue to go to my shop
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There is 3 bike shops in my town (25 000 people live here)

- One is a Kawasaki/Husqvarna/Can-Am dealer and really into MX, and road racing, supports the people from this area who race and helps us personally a lot, always giving discounts and because of this he has a good name in the region therefore is selling bikes and gear, however he is still not making huge profits.

-One is a Yamaha dealer, he is a good guy but doesn't support MX as much. He aint selling that many bikes besides the odd farm bike or road bike, I think he's surviving on mechanicals at the moment

-One is a honda/Yamaha dealer, doesnt help anyone out and doesn't support racing at all. He is only surviving on repairs and John Deere lawn mowers!



In these times I encourage everyone who possibly can to pay the extra 10-20 bucks and support the dealers that support us. I for one am supporting my Kawasaki dealer because he always helps us out, even when he himself is doing it tough.
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jackson222 wrote:
There is 3 bike shops in my town (25 000 people live here) - One is a Kawasaki/Husqvarna/Can-Am dealer and really into MX, and road racing...
There is 3 bike shops in my town (25 000 people live here)

- One is a Kawasaki/Husqvarna/Can-Am dealer and really into MX, and road racing, supports the people from this area who race and helps us personally a lot, always giving discounts and because of this he has a good name in the region therefore is selling bikes and gear, however he is still not making huge profits.

-One is a Yamaha dealer, he is a good guy but doesn't support MX as much. He aint selling that many bikes besides the odd farm bike or road bike, I think he's surviving on mechanicals at the moment

-One is a honda/Yamaha dealer, doesnt help anyone out and doesn't support racing at all. He is only surviving on repairs and John Deere lawn mowers!



In these times I encourage everyone who possibly can to pay the extra 10-20 bucks and support the dealers that support us. I for one am supporting my Kawasaki dealer because he always helps us out, even when he himself is doing it tough.
Jacko
I remember years ago the #1 Yamaha dealer in the country (Australia) dealer sold mostly aggies and quads aimed at the farmer. Post tax return farmer would come in and purchase multiple bikes.
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jackson222 wrote:
There is 3 bike shops in my town (25 000 people live here) - One is a Kawasaki/Husqvarna/Can-Am dealer and really into MX, and road racing...
There is 3 bike shops in my town (25 000 people live here)

- One is a Kawasaki/Husqvarna/Can-Am dealer and really into MX, and road racing, supports the people from this area who race and helps us personally a lot, always giving discounts and because of this he has a good name in the region therefore is selling bikes and gear, however he is still not making huge profits.

-One is a Yamaha dealer, he is a good guy but doesn't support MX as much. He aint selling that many bikes besides the odd farm bike or road bike, I think he's surviving on mechanicals at the moment

-One is a honda/Yamaha dealer, doesnt help anyone out and doesn't support racing at all. He is only surviving on repairs and John Deere lawn mowers!



In these times I encourage everyone who possibly can to pay the extra 10-20 bucks and support the dealers that support us. I for one am supporting my Kawasaki dealer because he always helps us out, even when he himself is doing it tough.
41NDT wrote:
Jacko I remember years ago the #1 Yamaha dealer in the country (Australia) dealer sold mostly aggies and quads aimed at the farmer. Post tax return...
Jacko
I remember years ago the #1 Yamaha dealer in the country (Australia) dealer sold mostly aggies and quads aimed at the farmer. Post tax return farmer would come in and purchase multiple bikes.
Yeah thats true, there is a lot of money to be made in our region by targeting that market which is what i think my Yamaha dealer is doing but he is still struggling to sell them. But as i said support the people that support you.
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The mark up at a local dealer is typically really high. I have two dealers in my town that I deal with and they both give me great deals. I talked to both of them a long time ago and told them I would rather spend my money locally so if they could get close to what I would pay online I buy from them. Now I go in there and we look up whatever I need online and they tell me if they can match it or get close. If they can I buy from them. Your dealers will usually work with you if you talk to them. We lost a Yamaha dealer here a few months ago but there is still another here in town. The only thing we can't get here is Ducati (closest dealer is 45 miles away) and Husky. They are hurting but just can't give bikes away. Profit margins are too low these days.
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6/26/2009 5:47am Edited Date/Time 6/26/2009 5:48am
The dirt bike line has never be a big money maker for the motorcycle shops anywhere that I know of. It's the ATVs, street bikes and street bike accessories along with the service and repair is where the dealers make their living.

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Our local dealer has been putting pipes, bars, graphics kits, and all sorts of bolt ons on the bikes in his showroom. I have noticed that the same bikes are there everytime I visit. I would say they are not moving to many dirt bikes at least in our area.
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All the people that comment on profit margin, and argue that you should go purchase things at your local shop have never worked in a dealer.

One simple answer, if a business is not making money on something they will stop selling or making that product. Simple. Period. Nothing else to it. You are falling for a salesmans line.

Why bother selling bikes if you are not making any money? Why have all that overhead sitting on the showroom floor? Simple, they are making money on bikes.
And forget about buying parts at a dealer especially OEM parts. Dealears get great prices on OEM parts and have a 50-60% markup. Ever wonder why when you go to a dealer and order a piston. They order an OEM one that takes a couple days to it, rather then just order a Pro-X piston through Parts Unlimited and have it there in a day or two. Markup, huge mark ups on OEM parts.

In my opinion if dealers really do not make money on bikes they wouldnt sell them. Why bother having dirt bikes on the showroom floor, I know more about the dirt bike im gonna buy then all the salesman do. I know what bike I want to buy. Dirt bikes don't come with options really, besides some manufacturers offer two colors.


I wish we could go on the manufacturers website, order a bike, pay for shipping, and have it delivered. The techs at dealers do a horiible job on the initial bike prep anyway.

Basically, buy as much as you can online, support online company's that actually put money back into the industry like motosport outlet, yamaha of troy, babbits. Force dealers to drop prices to a reasonable level and make then realize that they need to help support the industry instead of just trying to get fat dump and happy.
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In these times I encourage everyone who possibly can to pay the extra 10-20 bucks and support the dealers that support us.

I'd like to be able to do that, but the local dealer is just plain incompetent. One of my buddy got his engine redone. First hare scramble the bike locks up: They forgot to put oil in the gearbox. Back to the shop to fix it. He picks it up and they forgot to put back the screws that hold the seat, as well as one of the plastic front engine cover.
He gives them onother chance, buys a pair of boots for is kid. Goes home, looks a bit more closely, the boots don't match: They are different year models!
I couldn't care less if they shut down because there is no way these clowns will ever work on my bike...
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ScottP wrote:
All the people that comment on profit margin, and argue that you should go purchase things at your local shop have never worked in a dealer...
All the people that comment on profit margin, and argue that you should go purchase things at your local shop have never worked in a dealer.

One simple answer, if a business is not making money on something they will stop selling or making that product. Simple. Period. Nothing else to it. You are falling for a salesmans line.

Why bother selling bikes if you are not making any money? Why have all that overhead sitting on the showroom floor? Simple, they are making money on bikes.
And forget about buying parts at a dealer especially OEM parts. Dealears get great prices on OEM parts and have a 50-60% markup. Ever wonder why when you go to a dealer and order a piston. They order an OEM one that takes a couple days to it, rather then just order a Pro-X piston through Parts Unlimited and have it there in a day or two. Markup, huge mark ups on OEM parts.

In my opinion if dealers really do not make money on bikes they wouldnt sell them. Why bother having dirt bikes on the showroom floor, I know more about the dirt bike im gonna buy then all the salesman do. I know what bike I want to buy. Dirt bikes don't come with options really, besides some manufacturers offer two colors.


I wish we could go on the manufacturers website, order a bike, pay for shipping, and have it delivered. The techs at dealers do a horiible job on the initial bike prep anyway.

Basically, buy as much as you can online, support online company's that actually put money back into the industry like motosport outlet, yamaha of troy, babbits. Force dealers to drop prices to a reasonable level and make then realize that they need to help support the industry instead of just trying to get fat dump and happy.
are you fucking high?????


try 20-35% mark up chuckie.. if we made 50-60% margins, do you think we would be hurting? my paycheck each week is looking awfully small for the money you think we are making.

you have no idea how the real world works and i encourage you to keep your opinions to yourself
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You've just gotta look, they are there.


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High end bicycles cost more. I don't think the prices are that bad.
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ScottP wrote:
All the people that comment on profit margin, and argue that you should go purchase things at your local shop have never worked in a dealer...
All the people that comment on profit margin, and argue that you should go purchase things at your local shop have never worked in a dealer.

One simple answer, if a business is not making money on something they will stop selling or making that product. Simple. Period. Nothing else to it. You are falling for a salesmans line.

Why bother selling bikes if you are not making any money? Why have all that overhead sitting on the showroom floor? Simple, they are making money on bikes.
And forget about buying parts at a dealer especially OEM parts. Dealears get great prices on OEM parts and have a 50-60% markup. Ever wonder why when you go to a dealer and order a piston. They order an OEM one that takes a couple days to it, rather then just order a Pro-X piston through Parts Unlimited and have it there in a day or two. Markup, huge mark ups on OEM parts.

In my opinion if dealers really do not make money on bikes they wouldnt sell them. Why bother having dirt bikes on the showroom floor, I know more about the dirt bike im gonna buy then all the salesman do. I know what bike I want to buy. Dirt bikes don't come with options really, besides some manufacturers offer two colors.


I wish we could go on the manufacturers website, order a bike, pay for shipping, and have it delivered. The techs at dealers do a horiible job on the initial bike prep anyway.

Basically, buy as much as you can online, support online company's that actually put money back into the industry like motosport outlet, yamaha of troy, babbits. Force dealers to drop prices to a reasonable level and make then realize that they need to help support the industry instead of just trying to get fat dump and happy.
Look newby,

No one said they weren't making money. I said it's never been a big money maker and the reason they sell the bikes is because its part of being a full service dealer or the dealership is a fan of racing. As far a “falling for a salesman’s line". In my 25+ years of being in the sport I have had friends that own dealers and it's no sales pitch. Much more money to be made in the ATV and Street lines than there is the dirt bike line.

Sounds like a dealer told you to shove it up you're ass when you came into their shop and started demanding discounts.





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I think they are priced fairly
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I think they are outrageous! I would never buy a high end bicycle. I am sure you can find a $10,000.00 toothpick that doesn't make it a good deal!
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I buying a 09 KX450F in the crate next week for $5600usd... whats so outrageous about that?
6/26/2009 7:57am
ScottP wrote:
All the people that comment on profit margin, and argue that you should go purchase things at your local shop have never worked in a dealer...
All the people that comment on profit margin, and argue that you should go purchase things at your local shop have never worked in a dealer.

One simple answer, if a business is not making money on something they will stop selling or making that product. Simple. Period. Nothing else to it. You are falling for a salesmans line.

Why bother selling bikes if you are not making any money? Why have all that overhead sitting on the showroom floor? Simple, they are making money on bikes.
And forget about buying parts at a dealer especially OEM parts. Dealears get great prices on OEM parts and have a 50-60% markup. Ever wonder why when you go to a dealer and order a piston. They order an OEM one that takes a couple days to it, rather then just order a Pro-X piston through Parts Unlimited and have it there in a day or two. Markup, huge mark ups on OEM parts.

In my opinion if dealers really do not make money on bikes they wouldnt sell them. Why bother having dirt bikes on the showroom floor, I know more about the dirt bike im gonna buy then all the salesman do. I know what bike I want to buy. Dirt bikes don't come with options really, besides some manufacturers offer two colors.


I wish we could go on the manufacturers website, order a bike, pay for shipping, and have it delivered. The techs at dealers do a horiible job on the initial bike prep anyway.

Basically, buy as much as you can online, support online company's that actually put money back into the industry like motosport outlet, yamaha of troy, babbits. Force dealers to drop prices to a reasonable level and make then realize that they need to help support the industry instead of just trying to get fat dump and happy.
sure keep supporting online company's You CRACKHEAD !!! stop in our shop anyday and see if know more about the 300 plus different bikes i sell then me. then you can tell my techs to their face they don't know what their doing.
so when your out riding on a friday and you break something your gonna order it online and pay saturday next day air delivery?? i'll bet your local dealer is ok then??
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R-acer wrote:
I buying a 09 KX450F in the crate next week for $5600usd... whats so outrageous about that?
Too many strokes? Wink
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R-acer wrote:
I buying a 09 KX450F in the crate next week for $5600usd... whats so outrageous about that?
Void Main wrote:
Too many strokes? Wink
Too many lbs !

like 238 of 'em
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ScottP wrote:
All the people that comment on profit margin, and argue that you should go purchase things at your local shop have never worked in a dealer...
All the people that comment on profit margin, and argue that you should go purchase things at your local shop have never worked in a dealer.

One simple answer, if a business is not making money on something they will stop selling or making that product. Simple. Period. Nothing else to it. You are falling for a salesmans line.

Why bother selling bikes if you are not making any money? Why have all that overhead sitting on the showroom floor? Simple, they are making money on bikes.
And forget about buying parts at a dealer especially OEM parts. Dealears get great prices on OEM parts and have a 50-60% markup. Ever wonder why when you go to a dealer and order a piston. They order an OEM one that takes a couple days to it, rather then just order a Pro-X piston through Parts Unlimited and have it there in a day or two. Markup, huge mark ups on OEM parts.

In my opinion if dealers really do not make money on bikes they wouldnt sell them. Why bother having dirt bikes on the showroom floor, I know more about the dirt bike im gonna buy then all the salesman do. I know what bike I want to buy. Dirt bikes don't come with options really, besides some manufacturers offer two colors.


I wish we could go on the manufacturers website, order a bike, pay for shipping, and have it delivered. The techs at dealers do a horiible job on the initial bike prep anyway.

Basically, buy as much as you can online, support online company's that actually put money back into the industry like motosport outlet, yamaha of troy, babbits. Force dealers to drop prices to a reasonable level and make then realize that they need to help support the industry instead of just trying to get fat dump and happy.
pitbike502 wrote:
are you fucking high????? try 20-35% mark up chuckie.. if we made 50-60% margins, do you think we would be hurting? my paycheck each week is...
are you fucking high?????


try 20-35% mark up chuckie.. if we made 50-60% margins, do you think we would be hurting? my paycheck each week is looking awfully small for the money you think we are making.

you have no idea how the real world works and i encourage you to keep your opinions to yourself
If you work in a dealership you would know what goes on.
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i used to get dealer cost on everything i got to look at all the catalogs and everything
where they got all the parts and gear from what i seen it was not an impressive mark up.
from what i remeber a dirt bike was 17%mark up an this shop it was one that won
a few arenacross championships. but i may be wrong. just stating what i seen nothing more.
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I just got a brand new 09 kx250f from a dealer here in Colorado and paid 4500 out the door.
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R-acer wrote:
I buying a 09 KX450F in the crate next week for $5600usd... whats so outrageous about that?
If you don't mind paying it go ahead. I feel like vehicles and bikes are way too high. 5600 for something your going to crash and tear up seems like alot of money to me. Maybe they pay better in Canada???
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i think 4500 out the door should be what a 09 kx 250f should go for on the western slope they dont even want to talk about a deal.

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