Message from FMF's Donnie Emler -

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 1:25am

In case you missed his MXA interview -
http://motocrossactionmag.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=&nm=&type=news&mod=New…

What can you expect in the future?

"I expect a two-stroke comeback at some level because of cost, sound and maintenance."


Donnie knows the sport well. Some of the mfgrs would do well to listen.



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yeh cool sweet and all that
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Wishful thinking
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bingo 500, nothing more than wishful thinking, stick a fork in'em their done!
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Yeah, As much as I would like to see that.....I really Doubt it.

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Actually Donnie Emler is someone MX riders should listen to. He has been in this business along time. I think he's right about the 2 strokes. Now go tell all the 4 stroke fans.
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MX7MX wrote:
bingo 500, nothing more than wishful thinking, stick a fork in'em their done!
Have you heard about the 125 class next year in Europe?


Are you aware Yamaha just made a five year two stroke commitment at the dealer convention in Vegas?

Croom MX-you hit the nail on the head about listing to Big D. Both Donnie Emler and Danny LaPorte also ride two strokes a couple of times a week.
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croom mx wrote:
Actually Donnie Emler is someone MX riders should listen to. He has been in this business along time. I think he's right about the 2 strokes...
Actually Donnie Emler is someone MX riders should listen to. He has been in this business along time. I think he's right about the 2 strokes. Now go tell all the 4 stroke fans.
It would have to be a totally new design as the previous ones had reached the end of their development.
I think i read somewhere that engineers had pretty much gotten all they could out of that shape of engine, hence a totally new design is needed
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Still got plenty of good smokers old and new(er) to go around for anyone that wants one.

And plenty of races to race 'em at.

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He's talking about the Chinese getting into the game big time, undercutting the legs outta the Japs. Okay, that's my guess, but you gotta admit it's a good guess. If you could get a Chinese RM250 knockoff for $1900, you'd buy it with the quickness... and then spend a ton of money at FMF hooking it up...
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Pdub wrote:
He's talking about the Chinese getting into the game big time, undercutting the legs outta the Japs. Okay, that's my guess, but you gotta admit it's...
He's talking about the Chinese getting into the game big time, undercutting the legs outta the Japs. Okay, that's my guess, but you gotta admit it's a good guess. If you could get a Chinese RM250 knockoff for $1900, you'd buy it with the quickness... and then spend a ton of money at FMF hooking it up...
yes.
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MX7MX wrote:
bingo 500, nothing more than wishful thinking, stick a fork in'em their done!
STFU dumb bot! If it's all the same to you, I think I'll listen to what Emler has to say over your drivel.

And even if it's not.

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MX7MX wrote:
bingo 500, nothing more than wishful thinking, stick a fork in'em their done!
Ok dumb ASS. I have a private practice track in the Indy area. I am trying to start a public practice track. My problem is an '09 kx 450 in stock form is to fucking loud. It is very stupid to have a STOCK bike that is that loud. We do not have a practice track closer that 2 hours from one the the biggest motorsports town in the world. Its the noise stupid.
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Cost, sound, maintenance.

Why did Emler price the exhaust at 1000+ bucks a unit?

Why not add some more muffler packing or DESIGN one quieter? Why doesn't FMF take the industry lead and do something about the noise since they are the leader in exhaust systems?


Sounds like a bunch of excuses to me....










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They make the Q it is less than 94 db. People just need a reason to buy it.
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There's one thing manufacturers are sensitive to more than the fatter gross margins that thumpers have delivered and that's lower overall sales volume more than offsetting those margins. I suspect that a downward-trending top line sales volume has the rising sun board rooms scrambling for a solution. Not that smokers will reverse the trend, necessarily, but it's the one bullet they can fire without too much effort.
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A 2 stroke runs fine on Supertech 2 stroke at 8 bucks a gallon and Dexron ATF in the trans at 7 bucks a gallon too. Even Dexron VI is only 9 bucks a gallon

Try to maintain a fourstroke like that.
Maybe a BR9ES at 2.50 once in a while.
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MX7MX wrote:
bingo 500, nothing more than wishful thinking, stick a fork in'em their done!
i think that opinion might be wrong...2 stroke diesel baby!

serious...with computer controlled shit a fucking one stroke might be in our future
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2 strokes will never die. The rest of the world needs and uses them for every day living/activities. Talking about 3rd world countries who don't have the money or environmental laws to warrant 4 strokes. 2 stroke development/production must continue.

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MX45 wrote:
2 strokes will never die. The rest of the world needs and uses them for every day living/activities. Talking about 3rd world countries who don't have...
2 strokes will never die. The rest of the world needs and uses them for every day living/activities. Talking about 3rd world countries who don't have the money or environmental laws to warrant 4 strokes. 2 stroke development/production must continue.
yup....
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MX45 wrote:
2 strokes will never die. The rest of the world needs and uses them for every day living/activities. Talking about 3rd world countries who don't have...
2 strokes will never die. The rest of the world needs and uses them for every day living/activities. Talking about 3rd world countries who don't have the money or environmental laws to warrant 4 strokes. 2 stroke development/production must continue.
THose third world countries are still using the step though 90's from the early 70's and that works fine for them....no advancements in technology needed just a bigger basket to put groceries from the store.
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race wrote:
In case you missed his MXA interview - http://motocrossactionmag.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=&nm=&type=news&mod=News&mid=9A02E3B96F2A415ABC72CB5F516B4C10&tier=3&nid=2F883B8D1DC14D5AA60447DDE43CE639 [b]What can you expect in the future?[/b] "I expect a two-stroke comeback at some level because of...

In case you missed his MXA interview -
http://motocrossactionmag.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=&nm=&type=news&mod=New…

What can you expect in the future?

"I expect a two-stroke comeback at some level because of cost, sound and maintenance."


Donnie knows the sport well. Some of the mfgrs would do well to listen.



Saw that and was caught by surprise.He would know.Sharp contrast to Pro Circuits attitude.
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MX45 wrote:
2 strokes will never die. The rest of the world needs and uses them for every day living/activities. Talking about 3rd world countries who don't have...
2 strokes will never die. The rest of the world needs and uses them for every day living/activities. Talking about 3rd world countries who don't have the money or environmental laws to warrant 4 strokes. 2 stroke development/production must continue.
trick121 wrote:
THose third world countries are still using the step though 90's from the early 70's and that works fine for them....no advancements in technology needed just...
THose third world countries are still using the step though 90's from the early 70's and that works fine for them....no advancements in technology needed just a bigger basket to put groceries from the store.
works fine for them, but not at the sake of the rest of the world. Their pollution affects us too.
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500guy wrote:
Wishful thinking
Along with the EPA and CARB having a say. Bitchen for those that live in the middle of the US, expect the east and west coast to become more stringent in the years to come.

Unless - the Manufacturers do some good lobbying in Washington.
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MX45 wrote:
2 strokes will never die. The rest of the world needs and uses them for every day living/activities. Talking about 3rd world countries who don't have...
2 strokes will never die. The rest of the world needs and uses them for every day living/activities. Talking about 3rd world countries who don't have the money or environmental laws to warrant 4 strokes. 2 stroke development/production must continue.
trick121 wrote:
THose third world countries are still using the step though 90's from the early 70's and that works fine for them....no advancements in technology needed just...
THose third world countries are still using the step though 90's from the early 70's and that works fine for them....no advancements in technology needed just a bigger basket to put groceries from the store.
MX45 wrote:
works fine for them, but not at the sake of the rest of the world. Their pollution affects us too.
This drivel almost makes me puke. Jesus we've become a nation of sheep!
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MX45 wrote:
2 strokes will never die. The rest of the world needs and uses them for every day living/activities. Talking about 3rd world countries who don't have...
2 strokes will never die. The rest of the world needs and uses them for every day living/activities. Talking about 3rd world countries who don't have the money or environmental laws to warrant 4 strokes. 2 stroke development/production must continue.
trick121 wrote:
THose third world countries are still using the step though 90's from the early 70's and that works fine for them....no advancements in technology needed just...
THose third world countries are still using the step though 90's from the early 70's and that works fine for them....no advancements in technology needed just a bigger basket to put groceries from the store.
you fuggen funny. when i went to costa rica modern day badass trick stock 2 strokes were all over. shit that you couldn't buy never...ever in the states they were selling in costa rica. open yer fuggen eyes folks...the USA ain't got all the top shit there is in the world foools. contrary in fact that the all mighty dollar has stifled bullshit here in the states, not fostered it. the well oiled refuckmeagain "free market" strikes again.
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500guy wrote:
Wishful thinking
Tiki wrote:
Along with the EPA and CARB having a say. Bitchen for those that live in the middle of the US, expect the east and west coast...
Along with the EPA and CARB having a say. Bitchen for those that live in the middle of the US, expect the east and west coast to become more stringent in the years to come.

Unless - the Manufacturers do some good lobbying in Washington.
Yep, unfortunately you're right.
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MX45 wrote:
2 strokes will never die. The rest of the world needs and uses them for every day living/activities. Talking about 3rd world countries who don't have...
2 strokes will never die. The rest of the world needs and uses them for every day living/activities. Talking about 3rd world countries who don't have the money or environmental laws to warrant 4 strokes. 2 stroke development/production must continue.
trick121 wrote:
THose third world countries are still using the step though 90's from the early 70's and that works fine for them....no advancements in technology needed just...
THose third world countries are still using the step though 90's from the early 70's and that works fine for them....no advancements in technology needed just a bigger basket to put groceries from the store.
BobbyM wrote:
you fuggen funny. when i went to costa rica modern day badass trick stock 2 strokes were all over. shit that you couldn't buy never...ever in...
you fuggen funny. when i went to costa rica modern day badass trick stock 2 strokes were all over. shit that you couldn't buy never...ever in the states they were selling in costa rica. open yer fuggen eyes folks...the USA ain't got all the top shit there is in the world foools. contrary in fact that the all mighty dollar has stifled bullshit here in the states, not fostered it. the well oiled refuckmeagain "free market" strikes again.
Whatever dude.
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500guy wrote:
Wishful thinking
Tiki wrote:
Along with the EPA and CARB having a say. Bitchen for those that live in the middle of the US, expect the east and west coast...
Along with the EPA and CARB having a say. Bitchen for those that live in the middle of the US, expect the east and west coast to become more stringent in the years to come.

Unless - the Manufacturers do some good lobbying in Washington.
Exactly...................Donnie doesnt have sheit too say about whether they will or wont... It's all government.. But of course pretty much all of us would love it.
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BobbyM wrote:
you fuggen funny. when i went to costa rica modern day badass trick stock 2 strokes were all over. shit that you couldn't buy never...ever in...
you fuggen funny. when i went to costa rica modern day badass trick stock 2 strokes were all over. shit that you couldn't buy never...ever in the states they were selling in costa rica. open yer fuggen eyes folks...the USA ain't got all the top shit there is in the world foools. contrary in fact that the all mighty dollar has stifled bullshit here in the states, not fostered it. the well oiled refuckmeagain "free market" strikes again.
HELL YEAH........ YEEEEEEEHHHHAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
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trick121 wrote:
Cost, sound, maintenance. Why did Emler price the exhaust at 1000+ bucks a unit? Why not add some more muffler packing or DESIGN one quieter? Why...
Cost, sound, maintenance.

Why did Emler price the exhaust at 1000+ bucks a unit?

Why not add some more muffler packing or DESIGN one quieter? Why doesn't FMF take the industry lead and do something about the noise since they are the leader in exhaust systems?


Sounds like a bunch of excuses to me....










The FMF MDK Muscle Milk KTM's seemed like the quietest bikes at Glen Helen.

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