Best Rider vs Best Racer?

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It’s been posted at least a hundred times “Kenny is the fastest”, “Forkner is the fastest,” “James Stewart is the fastest man on the planet.” There is a big difference between best rider and best racer. Josh Hansen has to be one of the best riders to ever swing a leg over a motorcycle. Villopoto has to be one of the best racers ever.

Can we agree that there is a difference between best rider and best racer? Post up your best rider vs best racer.

Hansen (rider) vs Webb (racer)
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deadlo
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deadlo 3/21/2021 12:32am
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How many times does Webb need to straight up beat roczen for you guys to stop saying he’s not the best rider too?
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Tumic 3/21/2021 12:47am
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deadlo wrote:
How many times does Webb need to straight up beat roczen for you guys to stop saying he’s not the best rider too?
When he stop jumping whoops..
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deadlo 3/21/2021 12:55am
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deadlo wrote:
How many times does Webb need to straight up beat roczen for you guys to stop saying he’s not the best rider too?
Tumic wrote:
When he stop jumping whoops..
Did he not literally pass roczen in the whoops? Ok...yeah no for sure makes sense
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Aussie_power_sports 3/21/2021 2:22am
3/21/2021 2:22am
I get what your saying about natural talent and technically better but hansen vs webb is whack.

James stewart was probably consideres one of the greatest skilled riders and coukd technically do things a lot of guys couldnt, compared to ricky carmichael who probably wasn't as talented or skilled in that natural talen catergory, but surpassed everyone as the best racer.
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SigPig 3/21/2021 2:35am
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Everyone starts on the same line and the finish line is also the same distance for everyone who lined up.

The guy who gets to it first is the fastest.
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Aussie_power_sports 3/21/2021 2:37am
3/21/2021 2:37am
SigPig wrote:
Everyone starts on the same line and the finish line is also the same distance for everyone who lined up. The guy who gets to it...
Everyone starts on the same line and the finish line is also the same distance for everyone who lined up.

The guy who gets to it first is the fastest.
Technically the guys getting lapped do less distance
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mmcmx 3/21/2021 3:03am
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I tendend to agree, but his win today was a game changer. On a legit SX technical track, not the arenacross ones he usually wins, huge statement imho. I could't dislike more the guy but gotta give him the props, he has earned it.
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kylemenz1 3/21/2021 9:11am
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kylemenz1 3/21/2021 9:12am
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Aussie_power_sports wrote:
I get what your saying about natural talent and technically better but hansen vs webb is whack. James stewart was probably consideres one of the greatest...
I get what your saying about natural talent and technically better but hansen vs webb is whack.

James stewart was probably consideres one of the greatest skilled riders and coukd technically do things a lot of guys couldnt, compared to ricky carmichael who probably wasn't as talented or skilled in that natural talen catergory, but surpassed everyone as the best racer.
I’m just saying style/riding vs racing
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FerCzD 3/21/2021 10:00am
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I don't believe even pre double arm injury Roczen (2017 form if you will) would be able to beat this Assassin known as Cooper Webb
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Windham vs RC
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Best Racer: RC (Bar None); RV (Second)
Best Rider: Ron Lechien, JMB, Stew
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kylemenz1 3/21/2021 11:12am
3/21/2021 11:12am
bd wrote:
Best Racer: RC (Bar None); RV (Second)
Best Rider: Ron Lechien, JMB, Stew
JMB pretty damn well rounded. Racer and rider.
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AE448 3/21/2021 12:40pm
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Absolutely true. Some great SX riders I can think of past and present are Roczen, Tomac, Bubba, Cianciarulo, Pastrana...but when it comes to the nitty gritty of slogging it out to win championships, even when you're not the fastest guy...you gotta look at Cooper Webb and Dungey. I feel Villopoto, RC and Mcgrath are 3 guys who are in the elite category of both having raw speed and the talent to race perfectly with it. Guys like Cianciarulo, Roczen, Tomac all have that pure pace but they don't have the consistency of Webb, or Dungey, Villopoto etc.
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ATKpilot99 3/21/2021 12:56pm
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Webb is the best and the fastest right now . In these last two races the top 3 in points have started together and Webb has come out on top . In the previous round I believe he also had the fastest lap . What am I missing ?
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WCRider 3/21/2021 1:13pm
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Crazy how Webb can cut down a corner. On tight and technical tracks, this is lethal.
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inthebadboycorner 3/21/2021 1:21pm
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SigPig wrote:
Everyone starts on the same line and the finish line is also the same distance for everyone who lined up. The guy who gets to it...
Everyone starts on the same line and the finish line is also the same distance for everyone who lined up.

The guy who gets to it first is the fastest.
Aussie_power_sports wrote:
Technically the guys getting lapped do less distance
Oh, so I could be the fastest!

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AE448 wrote:
Absolutely true. Some great SX riders I can think of past and present are Roczen, Tomac, Bubba, Cianciarulo, Pastrana...but when it comes to the nitty gritty...
Absolutely true. Some great SX riders I can think of past and present are Roczen, Tomac, Bubba, Cianciarulo, Pastrana...but when it comes to the nitty gritty of slogging it out to win championships, even when you're not the fastest guy...you gotta look at Cooper Webb and Dungey. I feel Villopoto, RC and Mcgrath are 3 guys who are in the elite category of both having raw speed and the talent to race perfectly with it. Guys like Cianciarulo, Roczen, Tomac all have that pure pace but they don't have the consistency of Webb, or Dungey, Villopoto etc.
Consistent wins titles. Kroc has 2 outdoors, tomac. Has 4 geico, kawy and both have regional titles. Ac has a outdoor title. .
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SigPig wrote:
Everyone starts on the same line and the finish line is also the same distance for everyone who lined up. The guy who gets to it...
Everyone starts on the same line and the finish line is also the same distance for everyone who lined up.

The guy who gets to it first is the fastest.
Bingo.
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Racer: Brownie
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AE448 3/21/2021 3:40pm
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AE448 wrote:
Absolutely true. Some great SX riders I can think of past and present are Roczen, Tomac, Bubba, Cianciarulo, Pastrana...but when it comes to the nitty gritty...
Absolutely true. Some great SX riders I can think of past and present are Roczen, Tomac, Bubba, Cianciarulo, Pastrana...but when it comes to the nitty gritty of slogging it out to win championships, even when you're not the fastest guy...you gotta look at Cooper Webb and Dungey. I feel Villopoto, RC and Mcgrath are 3 guys who are in the elite category of both having raw speed and the talent to race perfectly with it. Guys like Cianciarulo, Roczen, Tomac all have that pure pace but they don't have the consistency of Webb, or Dungey, Villopoto etc.
mxb2 wrote:
Consistent wins titles. Kroc has 2 outdoors, tomac. Has 4 geico, kawy and both have regional titles. Ac has a outdoor title. .
Post was about SX though...
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karlsmith808 3/21/2021 4:26pm
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Tumic wrote:
When he stop jumping whoops..
Haha
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Webb 2021 450 Supercross Champ. Roczen retires to Vet class with Villopoto, Reed, Dungey. It’s General Roczen last stand.
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DrinkMoreWater 3/21/2021 7:18pm
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No one's been better than tomac ever since RV retired, he just hasn't got the same mentality as a Webb.
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AE448 wrote:
Absolutely true. Some great SX riders I can think of past and present are Roczen, Tomac, Bubba, Cianciarulo, Pastrana...but when it comes to the nitty gritty...
Absolutely true. Some great SX riders I can think of past and present are Roczen, Tomac, Bubba, Cianciarulo, Pastrana...but when it comes to the nitty gritty of slogging it out to win championships, even when you're not the fastest guy...you gotta look at Cooper Webb and Dungey. I feel Villopoto, RC and Mcgrath are 3 guys who are in the elite category of both having raw speed and the talent to race perfectly with it. Guys like Cianciarulo, Roczen, Tomac all have that pure pace but they don't have the consistency of Webb, or Dungey, Villopoto etc.
mxb2 wrote:
Consistent wins titles. Kroc has 2 outdoors, tomac. Has 4 geico, kawy and both have regional titles. Ac has a outdoor title. .
AE448 wrote:
Post was about SX though...
Ok,. Tomac has a sx. Title He was consistent enough to get 1 . Credit to anyone who wins a title, sx mx. Etc.
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