AC Out

LKHill wrote:

Wow, sharks in the water. Give the kid a break. The track was super gnarly and a man eater both weeks. His night headed south when...

Wow, sharks in the water. Give the kid a break. The track was super gnarly and a man eater both weeks.

His night headed south when he decided to let Webb lead.

SilverSpurs wrote:

He's hardly a kid- 25 this year and has been racing over 20 years and pro for 8. Webb passed him-easily- because his fitness is suspect...

He's hardly a kid- 25 this year and has been racing over 20 years and pro for 8.

Webb passed him-easily- because his fitness is suspect by mid race.

He's so far been an over hyped flop despite his 1 title.

Sorry.

acres951 wrote:

I don’t think his fitness is suspect by mid race. I think it’s known before the race even starts he’s likely to have fitness issues... because...

I don’t think his fitness is suspect by mid race. I think it’s known before the race even starts he’s likely to have fitness issues... because he was injured in the offseason and couldn’t ride/train. Sheesh.

Lightning78 wrote:

Adams demeanor of class and integrity in handling victory and setbacks has come from years with Nick Wey helping him not make the pitfalls that most...

Adams demeanor of class and integrity in handling victory and setbacks has come from years with Nick Wey helping him not make the pitfalls that most racers do and Adam has done an amazing job on this front thanks to the Golden advice from Nick Wey.

Anyone remember that nearly the biggest thing in Amateur Motocross for quite a few years was the Team AC vs Team Webb rivalry???? …. It's been downplayed bigtime in the professional ranks thanks to their drastically different paths they've taken to 450 class stardom. I wonder if, now that Webb and AC are in the same class now with the 450's and theres nowhere to go as far as another class……. Anyone think that the AC vs Webb rivalry from the AM's will ever revive itself bec it was a big thing in the .

Maybe vital should stahp comparing AC to Forknahhh? The similarities i see are miss representative thaom, me poorly timed crashes and coincidences. AC will definitely have a better more consistent and successful 450 career than Forkner as I don't see Kawi keeping Forkner if he doesn't turn things around on the 250.

Id like to see AC on a Honda if Kawi really thinks Forknahh is the future…. I don't see him as the Future though.

Lightning78 wrote:

Adams demeanor of class and integrity in handling victory and setbacks has come from years with Nick Wey helping him not make the pitfalls that most...

Adams demeanor of class and integrity in handling victory and setbacks has come from years with Nick Wey helping him not make the pitfalls that most racers do and Adam has done an amazing job on this front thanks to the Golden advice from Nick Wey.

Anyone remember that nearly the biggest thing in Amateur Motocross for quite a few years was the Team AC vs Team Webb rivalry???? …. It's been downplayed bigtime in the professional ranks thanks to their drastically different paths they've taken to 450 class stardom. I wonder if, now that Webb and AC are in the same class now with the 450's and theres nowhere to go as far as another class……. Anyone think that the AC vs Webb rivalry from the AM's will ever revive itself bec it was a big thing in the .

Maybe vital should stahp comparing AC to Forknahhh? The similarities i see are miss representative thaom, me poorly timed crashes and coincidences. AC will definitely have a better more consistent and successful 450 career than Forkner as I don't see Kawi keeping Forkner if he doesn't turn things around on the 250.

Id like to see AC on a Honda if Kawi really thinks Forknahh is the future…. I don't see him as the Future though.

hamncheeze wrote:

Before we jump all over AC as being injury prone in the 450 class let's look at the landscape of the 450 class since 4-strokes became...

Before we jump all over AC as being injury prone in the 450 class let's look at the landscape of the 450 class since 4-strokes became more or less ubiquitous:

Villopoto - injured in 2009 and 2010, his first 2 seasons.
Canard - injured pretty much every season but 2013.
Barcia - injured in 2014, his 2nd year, then again 2015 and 2016.
Roczen - survived 2014 rookie season, injured in 2015 SX.
Tomac - multiple injuries in 2014 his rookie year, then the big one in 2015.
Webb - injuries in 2017 and 2018 his first two seasons.
Plessinger - injured in 2019 and 2020 his first 2 seasons.
Osborne - injured in 2019 and 2020 his first 2 seaosns.

The exceptions: Dungey obviously, also Anderson was healthy in 2015 and 2016 his first 2 years, and Musquin was good in 2016 and 2017 his first 2 years as well.

The reality is in the 450 era, guys are going to get hurt adapting to the bike and pace. The exceptions are few.

kage173 wrote:

The problem with this is that Adam crashed out of all his 250 seasons except 1. And even that 1 he barely made it. It has...

The problem with this is that Adam crashed out of all his 250 seasons except 1. And even that 1 he barely made it. It has nothing to do with the 450. It's on Adam.

hamncheeze wrote:

Well if you don't think the transition to 450 is a problem for injuries then you've got your head in the sand. How's Sexton's transition going?

hamncheeze wrote:

Well if you don't think the transition to 450 is a problem for injuries then you've got your head in the sand. How's Sexton's transition going?

kage173 wrote:

That's not what I said. I was very specific about Adam's situation and provided proof. Bringing Sexton into the conversation just adds to my point. Adam...

That's not what I said. I was very specific about Adam's situation and provided proof. Bringing Sexton into the conversation just adds to my point. Adam only finished 1 out of 5 seasons in the 250 class and he threw a championship away with a huge unforced error. Chase on the other hand finished 3 out of 3 seasons attempted in the 250 class and in 2 of those he won a championship. When you juxtapose those two, it's obvious that Adam's problem is not the 450. That might add to it, but he has always made huge mistakes that cause him to drop out of the championship.

The idea that this is all a surprise or that Adam is suddenly developing this problem is just ignoring his past results.

I know I'm coming off as a hater and I do speak too harshly on the guy. I'm only talking about SX. He's a beast, will probably win an outdoor championship or two, and he's a great ambassador to our sport.

ShawdowGlen wrote:

Is AC becoming the Forkner of the 450 class (as far as crashes/injuries go)....

Bummer for AC.


EDIT: See my posts further down, snivelers...

captmoto wrote:

I hope not but it's like he's jinxed or something. He's a cool guy with a lot of personality. We really need a guy like that.

LKHill wrote:

Wow, sharks in the water. Give the kid a break. The track was super gnarly and a man eater both weeks. His night headed south when...

Wow, sharks in the water. Give the kid a break. The track was super gnarly and a man eater both weeks.

His night headed south when he decided to let Webb lead.

SilverSpurs wrote:

He's hardly a kid- 25 this year and has been racing over 20 years and pro for 8. Webb passed him-easily- because his fitness is suspect...

He's hardly a kid- 25 this year and has been racing over 20 years and pro for 8.

Webb passed him-easily- because his fitness is suspect by mid race.

He's so far been an over hyped flop despite his 1 title.

Sorry.

tobz wrote:

Lads gotta start thinking about a career path similar to canard.

Sometimes you just don’t have the head for travelling at light speed

hamncheeze wrote:

OK, if we are talking about SX only then AC did finish his 2017, 2018 and 2019 250 SX seasons, every race. He did not win...

OK, if we are talking about SX only then AC did finish his 2017, 2018 and 2019 250 SX seasons, every race. He did not win a championship, but he did win a lot more races in those 3 seasons than Sexton in 2018/19/20. He also went up against arguably a much deeper field than Sexton, for sure in 2019 Sexton had a pretty weak East field. His unforced error and 20th place in Vegas....yeah it was not ideal but if the bike was not so mangled the story might have been different. He wasn't hurt....

Since the 2014/15/16 seasons of injuries galore, Adam was pretty good on the 250. In 2017 and 2019 he raced every race SX and MX. In 2018 he raced all SX then had his ACL repaired (which not from him crashing but Osborne pin balling him in practice in 2017 SX).

https://vault.racerxonline.com/rider/adam-cianciarulo/races

I know real data doesn't fit your narrative that he is just a crasher in SX, but you can't look at his last three seasons on the 250 and criticize him of being injured a lot.

And again, getting hurt early in a 450 career is what happens for most guys.

norcal racer wrote:

AC will peak in the 450 class in 2023-24