Is Bowyer that ignorant?

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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 10:45pm
1 moto in the GPs? it hasn't been one moto for years!! always been two when pourcel raced them. yet more american ignorance fromt the ultimate arrogant but totally ignorant american in the the mx media it is just absurd!! no wonder he is so deluded about the comparisin of both series. GPs rule - 15 rounds 2 motos 35 plus 2 laps and a full weekend of racing/ The guys are putting the superior US riders to shame in their own country and there aint any americans able to come over to the GPs and do it. 2 americans in the top 5 in both classes in the AMA series and none in the GPs shows just how poor the depth is in the US motocross once you look past a guy like Dungey/ RV- the GPs are the premeir motocross series in the world !
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6/14/2009 11:05am
What your source for Bowyer's comments?
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6/14/2009 11:11am
no doubt the gps have good racing but if it was so great why do your best riders leave when they get the chance? oh and our best would beat your best any given day!Wink
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Is the fishing any good in this spot?

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6/14/2009 11:16am
i have watched several so far this year not much excitment in them.
in transworld interview tommy tyla and cristophe said they dont even
pay attention to what is going on it is not excitment and no intrest.
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6/14/2009 11:17am
bobby397 wrote:
no doubt the gps have good racing but if it was so great why do your best riders leave when they get the chance? oh and...
no doubt the gps have good racing but if it was so great why do your best riders leave when they get the chance? oh and our best would beat your best any given day!Wink
Actually you are wrong. There best 3 guys are better than our best 3 guys in the Lites right now. Searle, Rattray and Pourcel have been awesome.
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6/14/2009 11:19am
"The guys are putting the superior US riders to shame in their own country and there aint any americans able to come over to the GPs and do it."

Apparently, stupidity isn't a uniquely American trait. I can think of a good half-dozen Americans who can go to Europe and kick ass. I'm not sure why the tide always seems to bring Europeans to America rather than vice-versa, but I imagine it has more to do with money than competition. And you should be kissing Pourcel's ass, because if Europe was represented by just Searle and Rattray, you'd be searching real hard for things to crow about.

Pourcel, Searle and Rattray are great riders, so are Dungey, Canard and Barcia. Let 'em settle it on the track.
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6/14/2009 11:26am
bobby397 wrote:
no doubt the gps have good racing but if it was so great why do your best riders leave when they get the chance? oh and...
no doubt the gps have good racing but if it was so great why do your best riders leave when they get the chance? oh and our best would beat your best any given day!Wink
RMZ819 wrote:
Actually you are wrong. There best 3 guys are better than our best 3 guys in the Lites right now. Searle, Rattray and Pourcel have been...
Actually you are wrong. There best 3 guys are better than our best 3 guys in the Lites right now. Searle, Rattray and Pourcel have been awesome.
not really canard, dungey, wharton, metcalfe, barcia, and even tickle have been able to handle rattray and searle any given moto this season. pourcel is just to plain fast, only riders his pace are two americans dungey and canard
6/14/2009 11:28am
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1 moto in the GPs? it hasn't been one moto for years!! always been two when pourcel raced them. yet more american ignorance fromt the ultimate...
1 moto in the GPs? it hasn't been one moto for years!! always been two when pourcel raced them. yet more american ignorance fromt the ultimate arrogant but totally ignorant american in the the mx media it is just absurd!! no wonder he is so deluded about the comparisin of both series. GPs rule - 15 rounds 2 motos 35 plus 2 laps and a full weekend of racing/ The guys are putting the superior US riders to shame in their own country and there aint any americans able to come over to the GPs and do it. 2 americans in the top 5 in both classes in the AMA series and none in the GPs shows just how poor the depth is in the US motocross once you look past a guy like Dungey/ RV- the GPs are the premeir motocross series in the world !
If GP's are so superior why are they coming to our lowly serires?
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"The guys are putting the superior US riders to shame in their own country and there aint any americans able to come over to the GPs...
"The guys are putting the superior US riders to shame in their own country and there aint any americans able to come over to the GPs and do it."

Apparently, stupidity isn't a uniquely American trait. I can think of a good half-dozen Americans who can go to Europe and kick ass. I'm not sure why the tide always seems to bring Europeans to America rather than vice-versa, but I imagine it has more to do with money than competition. And you should be kissing Pourcel's ass, because if Europe was represented by just Searle and Rattray, you'd be searching real hard for things to crow about.

Pourcel, Searle and Rattray are great riders, so are Dungey, Canard and Barcia. Let 'em settle it on the track.
X2, osbourne wasnt even top ten here and got a win there? most of our riders go over to extend there careers.
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You are comparing a talent pool for all of Europe and beyond against just one country, america. It might put it in perspective more if you just compare each country to each other. I agree the GP's have some of the fastest in the world but why do MOST leave to come here to our second rate series? How many have left the GP's to come to america and actually secured a 450 championship????? Lites are great but thats not the big boy class.

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6/14/2009 11:54am
Actually, they are comparing their 450 class champ and runner up to our 250 guys. Both are very good riders, but they do come from the 450 class. Pourcel is very fast, and deserves all the praise he is getting. I wonder what would happen if our top 2 450 riders, and our fastest 250 guy went to europe for a season or two.
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6/14/2009 12:34pm Edited Date/Time 6/14/2009 12:35pm
I'll tell you one thing, though - Pourcel is an amazing rider, and if someone is a fan and he's riding anywhere within 200 miles, go see him. Watching him is like watching Stewart - a guy who has such an overwhelming ability to ride a motorcycle that they'd be worth watching if they were the only guys on the track. A motocross fan watching Pourcel is like an artist watching DaVinci paint the Mona Lisa live and in person.

I also appreciated Searle and Rattray, but Pourcel is on a whole 'nuther level. I think Searle and Rattray will do better as time goes on, but I'm not sure either of them have pure Dungey/Canard speed.
6/14/2009 12:40pm
it's all about the green guys.

i think the average level is about the same in both series.
(average meaning, withouth supertalents like JS,RV and back in the day RC/SE72
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mccread wrote:
1 moto in the GPs? it hasn't been one moto for years!! always been two when pourcel raced them. yet more american ignorance fromt the ultimate...
1 moto in the GPs? it hasn't been one moto for years!! always been two when pourcel raced them. yet more american ignorance fromt the ultimate arrogant but totally ignorant american in the the mx media it is just absurd!! no wonder he is so deluded about the comparisin of both series. GPs rule - 15 rounds 2 motos 35 plus 2 laps and a full weekend of racing/ The guys are putting the superior US riders to shame in their own country and there aint any americans able to come over to the GPs and do it. 2 americans in the top 5 in both classes in the AMA series and none in the GPs shows just how poor the depth is in the US motocross once you look past a guy like Dungey/ RV- the GPs are the premeir motocross series in the world !
The big question is will you ever get over yourself and this broken record that you play every year. Good lord. Will you shut the F up if we all just say that the GPs rule over all but God. If the Nationals suck so much stop watching them and quit posting on this American board. This stupid argument you constantly bring up won't be missed.
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prozach wrote:
The big question is will you ever get over yourself and this broken record that you play every year. Good lord. Will you shut the F...
The big question is will you ever get over yourself and this broken record that you play every year. Good lord. Will you shut the F up if we all just say that the GPs rule over all but God. If the Nationals suck so much stop watching them and quit posting on this American board. This stupid argument you constantly bring up won't be missed.
Just the fact that he constantly does this, pretty much confirms that he knows the US national series is the top MX series in the world, and it probably upsets him... that, and the fact his dental plan is also well below that of even 3rd world countries.
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mccread wrote:
1 moto in the GPs? it hasn't been one moto for years!! always been two when pourcel raced them. yet more american ignorance fromt the ultimate...
1 moto in the GPs? it hasn't been one moto for years!! always been two when pourcel raced them. yet more american ignorance fromt the ultimate arrogant but totally ignorant american in the the mx media it is just absurd!! no wonder he is so deluded about the comparisin of both series. GPs rule - 15 rounds 2 motos 35 plus 2 laps and a full weekend of racing/ The guys are putting the superior US riders to shame in their own country and there aint any americans able to come over to the GPs and do it. 2 americans in the top 5 in both classes in the AMA series and none in the GPs shows just how poor the depth is in the US motocross once you look past a guy like Dungey/ RV- the GPs are the premeir motocross series in the world !
Yeah he is. He made a point in one pre show to talk about the Europeans not doing all that well at Loretta's.

Guess it chaps his ass that Pourcel can fucking ruin it when he's not even close to being 100%
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6/14/2009 1:45pm Edited Date/Time 6/14/2009 2:05pm
Back to the subject of the topic, it is actually pretty embarrassing to have someone from the RacerX gang say something THAT wrong during the official post-show ; however, it was Andy's first try and maybe he was just a little bit nervous ? + Jason Weigandt quickly rectified.



That said, was'nt it Andy who, a couple weeks ago, came on this board writing something like "one should tell Pourcel we are running TWO motos here" ??



Anyway, it paid off, someone DID say that to Christophe, and the kid apparently took notice.



Another proof that his (understanding of) English, that started very low I'll reckon, is improving by the week !









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Actually, they are comparing their 450 class champ and runner up to our 250 guys. Both are very good riders, but they do come from the...
Actually, they are comparing their 450 class champ and runner up to our 250 guys. Both are very good riders, but they do come from the 450 class. Pourcel is very fast, and deserves all the praise he is getting. I wonder what would happen if our top 2 450 riders, and our fastest 250 guy went to europe for a season or two.
er no rattary and searle both raced 250f in GPs last year and Pourcel rode 250 in 06 and 07.

This post was in shock that someone in the US media can have so little knowledge of the world championship yet constantly puts it down as a lesser series than the AMA, I will say that DC and the rest of the guys at racerx do a really good job and I even subscribe to the mag. but when you have a guy saying the nationals are the fastest in the galaxy yet not even knowing the GPs race two motos it is a pretty poor showing for a US Journalist who should be as informed on both series.
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6/14/2009 2:20pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 12:25am
back in the early 90s the American riders competed in GPs and won world title while having a great series in the AMA and winning they where producing alot of top quality riders... now though it is the other way round it is the GP guys that are winning in the states and the Americans are not cutting it in the GPs as much as they used too. ( except Zach Osbourne)/ Alot of GPs guys go to the US because the ones before them went and won, now they think they can win to whereas years ago the US guys came to the GPs and won which meant more came over, now though the US guys struggle a bit more in GPs so less are looking at it as a viable option in the states imo.

The top guys like I said Dungey bubba Canard RV are awesome but the depth is not there if it wasnt for the GP riders the MX2 series would not be that strong right now bar the very top.

Darly Atkins said a similar thing that at the top the US have blazing fast riders bubba RV etc but there are more fast riders and a deeper pool of talent in the GPs. There are top riders out in all four outdoor series but the facts are only 2 americans made the top 5 in their own series and none made the top 5 in the GPs. Has that ever happened before?
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Mccread - Dude - Andy Bowyer is not even close to ignorant.

Dude knows more about our sport than we do.

Please, have a Coke and a smile and STFU .

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mccread wrote:
back in the early 90s the American riders competed in GPs and won world title while having a great series in the AMA and winning they...
back in the early 90s the American riders competed in GPs and won world title while having a great series in the AMA and winning they where producing alot of top quality riders... now though it is the other way round it is the GP guys that are winning in the states and the Americans are not cutting it in the GPs as much as they used too. ( except Zach Osbourne)/ Alot of GPs guys go to the US because the ones before them went and won, now they think they can win to whereas years ago the US guys came to the GPs and won which meant more came over, now though the US guys struggle a bit more in GPs so less are looking at it as a viable option in the states imo.

The top guys like I said Dungey bubba Canard RV are awesome but the depth is not there if it wasnt for the GP riders the MX2 series would not be that strong right now bar the very top.

Darly Atkins said a similar thing that at the top the US have blazing fast riders bubba RV etc but there are more fast riders and a deeper pool of talent in the GPs. There are top riders out in all four outdoor series but the facts are only 2 americans made the top 5 in their own series and none made the top 5 in the GPs. Has that ever happened before?
With all do respect toTrampas Parker and the late Donny Schmidt, they more than likely would not have won titles in the US at the time that they were winning titles in the GP's. Are you forgetting or just unaware that in that time period names like Johnson, Ward, Bradshaw, and Stanton were winning in the US...as well as Bayle.


......guys from the US struggle in the GP's because they are mid pack guys trying to make a living racing.

....and keep in mind, you are comparing the US to the REST OF THE WORLD.
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I cant recall any Americans saying they want to go to Europe to race the best. Seems all the Euros say that about America and talk like it has been a dream since birth.
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Both series are covered on the net. They aren't on at the same time. I love both. I was surprised Andy said that as well. He is a writer and can have is stuff edited. When you are talking on the fly, it's much harder. I gave him a pass because Jason covered for him. They could have re-recorded it, but they where doing TV all day long.The girl on Freecaster jumps right in sticks the mic in the face of guys who have a hard time speaking English. They look uncomfortable. I like the guy who speaks the riders language and then translates the answer. I hope both Series stay strong. I don't really care if Chad Reed can or can not beat Tony Cairoli . Two series is way better then one.
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6/14/2009 3:08pm Edited Date/Time 6/14/2009 3:17pm
mccread wrote:
back in the early 90s the American riders competed in GPs and won world title while having a great series in the AMA and winning they...
back in the early 90s the American riders competed in GPs and won world title while having a great series in the AMA and winning they where producing alot of top quality riders... now though it is the other way round it is the GP guys that are winning in the states and the Americans are not cutting it in the GPs as much as they used too. ( except Zach Osbourne)/ Alot of GPs guys go to the US because the ones before them went and won, now they think they can win to whereas years ago the US guys came to the GPs and won which meant more came over, now though the US guys struggle a bit more in GPs so less are looking at it as a viable option in the states imo.

The top guys like I said Dungey bubba Canard RV are awesome but the depth is not there if it wasnt for the GP riders the MX2 series would not be that strong right now bar the very top.

Darly Atkins said a similar thing that at the top the US have blazing fast riders bubba RV etc but there are more fast riders and a deeper pool of talent in the GPs. There are top riders out in all four outdoor series but the facts are only 2 americans made the top 5 in their own series and none made the top 5 in the GPs. Has that ever happened before?
JB 19 wrote:
With all do respect toTrampas Parker and the late Donny Schmidt, they more than likely would not have won titles in the US at the time...
With all do respect toTrampas Parker and the late Donny Schmidt, they more than likely would not have won titles in the US at the time that they were winning titles in the GP's. Are you forgetting or just unaware that in that time period names like Johnson, Ward, Bradshaw, and Stanton were winning in the US...as well as Bayle.


......guys from the US struggle in the GP's because they are mid pack guys trying to make a living racing.

....and keep in mind, you are comparing the US to the REST OF THE WORLD.
Yea and thats my point back then America could produce top riders for both series, I have more respect for Schmit winning 2 world tites than stanton winnig his national title to be hones. Donny was a top 125 outdoor rider before he left and so was Bobby Moore. Now they are struggling to get top 5 in their own series nevermind the world championship. I have never seen the depth of US riders so weak, maybe it has somthing to do with the foreigner taking their rides tho?
Bowyer knows alot about US racing but outside of the US he seems to know absolutely nothing that is not top class journalism in my book!
Davey Coombs GuyB TFS even Steve Cox etc have all seen GPs in person. Andy maybe should take a trip to watch some GPs so he can be more educated on racing outside the US becasue there are as many if not more top quality outdoor riders in the GPs as there are in the US, he is missing alot of top quality MX. I have seen all these guys Dungey Stewart RV, ride in person this season and rode on the same track as Rattary and Searle at GH. I know how good Dungey and all are but I have also been to GPs this year and the year Searle Pourcel Rattary and Cairoli rode its the same speed - fast is fast.

eg Why was he not saying how awesome Pourcel was in 2006? he is the same talent now as he was then except he is raceing in america so suddenyl he gets all this media coverage in the states...
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quite being mean to boyer....his brother races a stockcar!
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USmx, great racers, homeschooled kids. What can you expect?

McCread, just let it be. The SX money makes the diference, so it will be like that(us going there) until someone does something (euro real sx series? duhhh...)

well, that's it.
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Rupert X wrote:
Mccread - Dude - Andy Bowyer is not even close to ignorant. Dude knows more about our sport than we do. Please, have a Coke and...
Mccread - Dude - Andy Bowyer is not even close to ignorant.

Dude knows more about our sport than we do.

Please, have a Coke and a smile and STFU .

RupertX, I always enjoy reading what you type, but I have to call nonsense here. I don't know much, but I have checked on GP results, it's easy to do and I'm interested. That they run 2 motos is not in-depth stuff. Jeez, when you click on the results tab it shows moto 2 results first. Bowyer should know this stuff. Not knowing is ignorance, by definition. He should be called out on this.

I'll take a diet, or a vodka tonic if you're buying, and then happily STFUSmile
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6/14/2009 3:39pm
Andy KNOWS they run 2 mowtows in the Euro provinces and, as a learned and

tenured instructor of the sweet science of motocross - he was more than likely being'

sarcastic or taking things in a tongue-in-cheeks - humorous direction.

Everyone lighten the F up.

This is motocross ferchrisakes, not Iranian politics.

Time for all to recline the chairs, grab a sweet breath of life and

chillax and marinate in the warm glow of inner reflection and intellectual

solitude. Word.
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Ouch, Rup. It's no big deal, yeah, but Bowyer totally cased it on Euro moto 101. That's why Weege corrected him. The guy's a pro, right? Why so hot? Why defend his gaff? Where's your Coke, smile and STFUedness?Wink Woid

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