Steel braided brake line

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 3:11pm
What is a good brand, is the Moose steel braided brake line any count? Thanks.
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I can find a brake line on there.

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indy_maico 6/9/2009 11:10am
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We quit using braided stainless brake lines on racing cars years ago.

Too much weight!

Use this stuff instead in the polyester or kevlar braid:

http://www.bmrs.net/smooth_main.htm

Call Tom at C&R Racing in Indy 317 293 4100 or Martin at Brown and Miller in NC 704 793 4319

Every Indycar car has these on them, and Riley Grand-Am cars come with them OEM. (I know, because I spec'd it! for them)

The standard size for brake lines is -3, though some Indycar guys are saving even more weight and going to -2.

You'll just need to know lengths and what size banjo's you need, and they will make them to your spec.
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If you can tell the added weight of a brake line you are a bad man ha ha
We use russell Just about for ever line we sell
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CYCLE WERKZ wrote:
If you can tell the added weight of a brake line you are a bad man ha ha We use russell Just about for ever line...
If you can tell the added weight of a brake line you are a bad man ha ha
We use russell Just about for ever line we sell
The polyester lines are cheaper too, and the polyester jacket is smooth so it won't abrade anything it comes in contact with.

When I had all the lines quoted for the Riley project, the Brown and Miller lines were about 25% less than either Goodridge or Earl's.

I zoomed in on a pic of Josh Grants bike on the line at Hangtown, and it looked like he may have been running the Brown and Miller stuff.

Wouldn't surprise me, as they do a huge business in NeckCar, and JGR must be running the stuff there.

After working in racing cars for 20 years, I have come to distrust banjo bolts. On my bikes I found some metric to AN adapters, and run straight AN fittings on my lines.
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KBehlingMX wrote:
I use Ride Engineering lines. No problems.

you can find them on www.motosportoutlet.com
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Rider Engineering's brake lines took care of the sponginess of the front brake of my last project bike.


http://www.ride-engineering.com/searchproducts.php


They were a perfect compliment to Moto-Master's 260mm front rotor


http://www.moto-master.com/...roducts.php?catid=13
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Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.
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I don't get it . Why would you use braided line on a mx bike? Seems like a wast of money to me.
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BUTCH wrote:
I don't get it . Why would you use braided line on a mx bike? Seems like a wast of money to me.
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BUTCH wrote:
I don't get it . Why would you use braided line on a mx bike? Seems like a wast of money to me.
Highsider wrote:
Can you just answer the question?
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I don't get it . Why would you use braided line on a mx bike? Seems like a wast of money to me.
The steel braid helps protect the line from damage. It also minimizes internal line expansion, thereby increasing line pressure at the pads and providing stronger, more predictable braking.
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BUTCH wrote:
I don't get it . Why would you use braided line on a mx bike? Seems like a wast of money to me.
Matt Fisher wrote:
The steel braid helps protect the line from damage. It also minimizes internal line expansion, thereby increasing line pressure at the pads and providing stronger, more...
The steel braid helps protect the line from damage. It also minimizes internal line expansion, thereby increasing line pressure at the pads and providing stronger, more predictable braking.
Thank you Matt. I get the protection part. But don't the brakes work great with the stock lines? I've never had an issue with my brakes not being strong enough or unpredictable.Anyway fair enough.
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Certainly the brakes work great with the stock lines. Depending on how old and pliable the existing lines are, you might go from great to greater brakes. Your sensitivity is a factor also.

As you squeeze the lever, brake fluid is pushed into the lines, and then forces the caliper's pistons to push out of the bore. Since the stock lines expand slightly, some of the force that could be used in squeezing the pads is wasted. Same goes for the feedback. As the forces are transmitted up the brake line through the fluid, some of the "information" that your fingers would receive is absorbed by the expanding lines.

Think of it as having a very tiny amount of air in the brake line. If you take an old bike whose brakes work fine and swap out the fluid for fresh stuff, often you'll find the brakes work a whole bunch better due to the loss of really, really tiny bubbles that are in the fluid.
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BUTCH wrote:
I don't get it . Why would you use braided line on a mx bike? Seems like a wast of money to me.
Good question Butch.

If you don't feel any sponginess then a case can be made to save your money for tires or something else.

If do feel sponginess then by all means go for it. Also if your stock line gets jacked up I would never buy an OEM line for a replacement.
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JOHN CHOATE 6/16/2009 7:12pm
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Faster riders who abuse/use their front brake more are likely to feel a bigger difference from a stock brake line. A braided line can add a little more pressure to the caliper with the same amount of pressure on the lever.
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BUTCH 6/16/2009 7:42pm
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You guys are awesome, all good reasons to use a braided line! Just had never heard of it on an MX bike before.

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Hmm, you guys have to buy braided brake lines? That must suck, both of my bikes came stock with them.


Just another sweet thing about owning a couple of KTM's.
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George Huening used to be, may still be, with C&R Racing in Indy. His son Kyle used to get with it on some of the midwest tracks we used to frequent. Tom & George are really sharp, great innovators in many forms of motorsports. They built Carmichael's radiators a few years back.
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partialperson wrote:
George Huening used to be, may still be, with C&R Racing in Indy. His son Kyle used to get with it on some of the midwest...
George Huening used to be, may still be, with C&R Racing in Indy. His son Kyle used to get with it on some of the midwest tracks we used to frequent. Tom & George are really sharp, great innovators in many forms of motorsports. They built Carmichael's radiators a few years back.
George is still there, and Kyle is still racing.

C&R do lots of skunk works stuff for a couple of big manufacturers and support teams.

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