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9/17/2020 5:37am
A virus that’s so bad you need a test to know you’ve got it.
Exactly!

Who ever heard of a deadly or dangerous virus or disease that could initially go undetected without immediate symptoms before this?! Total fake news..........
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Rabies. Once you have symptoms it's too late, you are guaranteed dead.
Exactly. "Rabies" is an Illuminati conspiracy to stop freedom loving people from enjoying playtime with adorable nocturnal critters during daylight hours.
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A week and a half in and so far so good here with the school thing, aside from a few write-ups for some not following the rules on the pre-opening iso thing.

Knocking hard on wood....
9/17/2020 12:37pm
Y’all think that doctors dead yet ?
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Y’all think that doctors dead yet ?
He's at least in jail with the two Canadians the Chinese are holding hostage over the Huawei bullshit. But probably dead.
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Our part time kid we're training told us yesterday his sister got sick and tested positive. So he went and got tested yesterday at 3:30, at 5:00 he texted me and said he tested positive. Do results from legitimate tests come back that quick ? He's been around me and has been working with my son in close proximity. Neither him or I or my son have any symptoms. What would you do ? Go get tested just because, or wait for symptoms and if nothing happens in 2 weeks call it good ? Still a little skeptical of a test that comes back positive in an hour. Does that sound legit ?
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Around here, they won’t test unless you show symptoms. Had the same thing happen to me but I didn’t get sick, never was tested.
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9/18/2020 11:28am Edited Date/Time 9/18/2020 11:28am
sumdood wrote:
Our part time kid we're training told us yesterday his sister got sick and tested positive. So he went and got tested yesterday at 3:30, at...
Our part time kid we're training told us yesterday his sister got sick and tested positive. So he went and got tested yesterday at 3:30, at 5:00 he texted me and said he tested positive. Do results from legitimate tests come back that quick ? He's been around me and has been working with my son in close proximity. Neither him or I or my son have any symptoms. What would you do ? Go get tested just because, or wait for symptoms and if nothing happens in 2 weeks call it good ? Still a little skeptical of a test that comes back positive in an hour. Does that sound legit ?
He should have documentation I would think showing his results. My daughter did when she tested positive so she could show her employer for the company to take proper steps.
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9/18/2020 1:12pm Edited Date/Time 9/18/2020 1:13pm
sumdood wrote:
Our part time kid we're training told us yesterday his sister got sick and tested positive. So he went and got tested yesterday at 3:30, at...
Our part time kid we're training told us yesterday his sister got sick and tested positive. So he went and got tested yesterday at 3:30, at 5:00 he texted me and said he tested positive. Do results from legitimate tests come back that quick ? He's been around me and has been working with my son in close proximity. Neither him or I or my son have any symptoms. What would you do ? Go get tested just because, or wait for symptoms and if nothing happens in 2 weeks call it good ? Still a little skeptical of a test that comes back positive in an hour. Does that sound legit ?
Chance1216 wrote:
He should have documentation I would think showing his results. My daughter did when she tested positive so she could show her employer for the company...
He should have documentation I would think showing his results. My daughter did when she tested positive so she could show her employer for the company to take proper steps.
I talked to him about how he got the test results so quick. He said he paid $90.00 for an "Instant" test they told him he was positive within 1/2 hour and gave him instructions to basically stay home for 2 weeks. Then called him later and told him "he needed to take another test" and those results would take 3-4 days. Sounds like a load of crap to me, I asked him if they ever have a negative "instant test" but he didn't ask. Why do I suspect that every instant test is going to be positive ?
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9/18/2020 2:22pm Edited Date/Time 9/18/2020 2:24pm
sumdood wrote:
Our part time kid we're training told us yesterday his sister got sick and tested positive. So he went and got tested yesterday at 3:30, at...
Our part time kid we're training told us yesterday his sister got sick and tested positive. So he went and got tested yesterday at 3:30, at 5:00 he texted me and said he tested positive. Do results from legitimate tests come back that quick ? He's been around me and has been working with my son in close proximity. Neither him or I or my son have any symptoms. What would you do ? Go get tested just because, or wait for symptoms and if nothing happens in 2 weeks call it good ? Still a little skeptical of a test that comes back positive in an hour. Does that sound legit ?
Chance1216 wrote:
He should have documentation I would think showing his results. My daughter did when she tested positive so she could show her employer for the company...
He should have documentation I would think showing his results. My daughter did when she tested positive so she could show her employer for the company to take proper steps.
sumdood wrote:
I talked to him about how he got the test results so quick. He said he paid $90.00 for an "Instant" test they told him he...
I talked to him about how he got the test results so quick. He said he paid $90.00 for an "Instant" test they told him he was positive within 1/2 hour and gave him instructions to basically stay home for 2 weeks. Then called him later and told him "he needed to take another test" and those results would take 3-4 days. Sounds like a load of crap to me, I asked him if they ever have a negative "instant test" but he didn't ask. Why do I suspect that every instant test is going to be positive ?
Sounds like the kids more motivated to stay at home instead of being motivated to work. I’m not sure how it works but, are you having to pay him to stay home
(sick time)? If so, I’d be asking for the documentation and telling him to have the testing site (hospital?) email him the results to show his employer.
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9/18/2020 2:56pm
sumdood wrote:
Our part time kid we're training told us yesterday his sister got sick and tested positive. So he went and got tested yesterday at 3:30, at...
Our part time kid we're training told us yesterday his sister got sick and tested positive. So he went and got tested yesterday at 3:30, at 5:00 he texted me and said he tested positive. Do results from legitimate tests come back that quick ? He's been around me and has been working with my son in close proximity. Neither him or I or my son have any symptoms. What would you do ? Go get tested just because, or wait for symptoms and if nothing happens in 2 weeks call it good ? Still a little skeptical of a test that comes back positive in an hour. Does that sound legit ?
Chance1216 wrote:
He should have documentation I would think showing his results. My daughter did when she tested positive so she could show her employer for the company...
He should have documentation I would think showing his results. My daughter did when she tested positive so she could show her employer for the company to take proper steps.
sumdood wrote:
I talked to him about how he got the test results so quick. He said he paid $90.00 for an "Instant" test they told him he...
I talked to him about how he got the test results so quick. He said he paid $90.00 for an "Instant" test they told him he was positive within 1/2 hour and gave him instructions to basically stay home for 2 weeks. Then called him later and told him "he needed to take another test" and those results would take 3-4 days. Sounds like a load of crap to me, I asked him if they ever have a negative "instant test" but he didn't ask. Why do I suspect that every instant test is going to be positive ?
That is the current practice in many areas right now. The first test is called an antigen test and results are quick, 30-60 minutes. It is reliably accurate as far as positives go.... if it says you are positive then you are almost certainly positive. it is not as accurate as far as negatives go.... if it says you are negative it could be wrong. The second test is a molecular test and it is extremely accurate either way, Results on that are currently taking 1-7 days depending on where you are.

Anyone in close contact with that kid since he was exposed needs to wear a mask, quarantine themselves and notify anyone they have been around. Contagiousness is at it's peak in the 48 hours PRIOR to feeling any symptoms. That's why it's so hard to stop, people are spreading it while they feel fine. Take care of yourself and your loved ones by doing the right thing.

Here's something from the FDA on testing: https://www.fda.gov/media/138094/download

Get your information from the CDC, the FDA, your local health department, your Dr. or your hospital. Don't listen to me or anyone else online.
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Yeah we're in hermit mode. Cancelled bbq with neighbors, Mom's 97th birthday dinner. That went over well......
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9/18/2020 7:19pm
sumdood wrote:
Our part time kid we're training told us yesterday his sister got sick and tested positive. So he went and got tested yesterday at 3:30, at...
Our part time kid we're training told us yesterday his sister got sick and tested positive. So he went and got tested yesterday at 3:30, at 5:00 he texted me and said he tested positive. Do results from legitimate tests come back that quick ? He's been around me and has been working with my son in close proximity. Neither him or I or my son have any symptoms. What would you do ? Go get tested just because, or wait for symptoms and if nothing happens in 2 weeks call it good ? Still a little skeptical of a test that comes back positive in an hour. Does that sound legit ?
Chance1216 wrote:
He should have documentation I would think showing his results. My daughter did when she tested positive so she could show her employer for the company...
He should have documentation I would think showing his results. My daughter did when she tested positive so she could show her employer for the company to take proper steps.
sumdood wrote:
I talked to him about how he got the test results so quick. He said he paid $90.00 for an "Instant" test they told him he...
I talked to him about how he got the test results so quick. He said he paid $90.00 for an "Instant" test they told him he was positive within 1/2 hour and gave him instructions to basically stay home for 2 weeks. Then called him later and told him "he needed to take another test" and those results would take 3-4 days. Sounds like a load of crap to me, I asked him if they ever have a negative "instant test" but he didn't ask. Why do I suspect that every instant test is going to be positive ?
No Not bullshit. they want to do a PCR to
Confirm if that was a true positive. He should retest with the PCR. If PCR comes back negative, rapid was a false positive.
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No Not bullshit. they want to do a PCR to Confirm if that was a true positive. He should retest with the PCR. If PCR comes...
No Not bullshit. they want to do a PCR to
Confirm if that was a true positive. He should retest with the PCR. If PCR comes back negative, rapid was a false positive.
Well that's exactly what happened. Second test came back negative. I can't tell you how relieved we are. But I have to wonder if his "false positive" was counted as a "Positive" for the county's / states statistics ? Once the positive column gets checked on the county's list do they come back later and un-check it when it turns out to be a false positive ? I'm not a conspiracy theory guy normally but I wouldn't be one bit surprised if that was the case. Fucked up as it sounds. Anyway if nothing else it scared us into taking the masks and distancing a little more serious. Feeling a bit relieved this morning. Good luck everyone stay safe.
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No Not bullshit. they want to do a PCR to Confirm if that was a true positive. He should retest with the PCR. If PCR comes...
No Not bullshit. they want to do a PCR to
Confirm if that was a true positive. He should retest with the PCR. If PCR comes back negative, rapid was a false positive.
sumdood wrote:
Well that's exactly what happened. Second test came back negative. I can't tell you how relieved we are. But I have to wonder if his "false...
Well that's exactly what happened. Second test came back negative. I can't tell you how relieved we are. But I have to wonder if his "false positive" was counted as a "Positive" for the county's / states statistics ? Once the positive column gets checked on the county's list do they come back later and un-check it when it turns out to be a false positive ? I'm not a conspiracy theory guy normally but I wouldn't be one bit surprised if that was the case. Fucked up as it sounds. Anyway if nothing else it scared us into taking the masks and distancing a little more serious. Feeling a bit relieved this morning. Good luck everyone stay safe.
Glad to hear it was negative and you don’t have to worry.
I’m a bit of a pessimist when it comes to dealing with people. We’ve had quite a few people claim they were in contact with people who tested positive just to get off work. Then someone would see them out running errands.
BUSTED!!! Construction sucks sometimes and they’ll do what they can to get a little vacation to avoid the hard days.
Stay safe as well.
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No Not bullshit. they want to do a PCR to Confirm if that was a true positive. He should retest with the PCR. If PCR comes...
No Not bullshit. they want to do a PCR to
Confirm if that was a true positive. He should retest with the PCR. If PCR comes back negative, rapid was a false positive.
sumdood wrote:
Well that's exactly what happened. Second test came back negative. I can't tell you how relieved we are. But I have to wonder if his "false...
Well that's exactly what happened. Second test came back negative. I can't tell you how relieved we are. But I have to wonder if his "false positive" was counted as a "Positive" for the county's / states statistics ? Once the positive column gets checked on the county's list do they come back later and un-check it when it turns out to be a false positive ? I'm not a conspiracy theory guy normally but I wouldn't be one bit surprised if that was the case. Fucked up as it sounds. Anyway if nothing else it scared us into taking the masks and distancing a little more serious. Feeling a bit relieved this morning. Good luck everyone stay safe.
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Glad to hear it was negative and you don’t have to worry. I’m a bit of a pessimist when it comes to dealing with people. We’ve...
Glad to hear it was negative and you don’t have to worry.
I’m a bit of a pessimist when it comes to dealing with people. We’ve had quite a few people claim they were in contact with people who tested positive just to get off work. Then someone would see them out running errands.
BUSTED!!! Construction sucks sometimes and they’ll do what they can to get a little vacation to avoid the hard days.
Stay safe as well.
Actually this kid has turned out to be pretty good for a 21 year old. I was reluctant at first, I was working on a remodel and it was the customers son who had moved back from Hawaii and was “lacking direction” according to pops and was asking me if I had any work for him, so I talkEd to the kid and he said he’d think about it, then about a week later he called me back want to know if I had anything, I ignored his first two texts that were about two days apart and then like on the fourth day he texted me twice so I gave him a shot, so far so good, he’s enthused, shows up on time, pays attention asks questions. So far so good 😂
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9/19/2020 5:22pm Edited Date/Time 9/19/2020 5:23pm
sumdood wrote:
Well that's exactly what happened. Second test came back negative. I can't tell you how relieved we are. But I have to wonder if his "false...
Well that's exactly what happened. Second test came back negative. I can't tell you how relieved we are. But I have to wonder if his "false positive" was counted as a "Positive" for the county's / states statistics ? Once the positive column gets checked on the county's list do they come back later and un-check it when it turns out to be a false positive ? I'm not a conspiracy theory guy normally but I wouldn't be one bit surprised if that was the case. Fucked up as it sounds. Anyway if nothing else it scared us into taking the masks and distancing a little more serious. Feeling a bit relieved this morning. Good luck everyone stay safe.
Chance1216 wrote:
Glad to hear it was negative and you don’t have to worry. I’m a bit of a pessimist when it comes to dealing with people. We’ve...
Glad to hear it was negative and you don’t have to worry.
I’m a bit of a pessimist when it comes to dealing with people. We’ve had quite a few people claim they were in contact with people who tested positive just to get off work. Then someone would see them out running errands.
BUSTED!!! Construction sucks sometimes and they’ll do what they can to get a little vacation to avoid the hard days.
Stay safe as well.
sumdood wrote:
Actually this kid has turned out to be pretty good for a 21 year old. I was reluctant at first, I was working on a remodel...
Actually this kid has turned out to be pretty good for a 21 year old. I was reluctant at first, I was working on a remodel and it was the customers son who had moved back from Hawaii and was “lacking direction” according to pops and was asking me if I had any work for him, so I talkEd to the kid and he said he’d think about it, then about a week later he called me back want to know if I had anything, I ignored his first two texts that were about two days apart and then like on the fourth day he texted me twice so I gave him a shot, so far so good, he’s enthused, shows up on time, pays attention asks questions. So far so good 😂
That’s a good thing. It’s very rare you come across someone who does give 100% that young. I moved to Oregon when I was 20 and got a job for a plumbing company working as a laborer. Ditch digger, driller, grunt for packing fixtures. The day I got my job I called and asked my grandfather what’s the best way to make a good impression. He was a plumber for nearly 40 years. He told me, be on site a 1/2 hour early and ready to work at start time. Don’t ever show up at the start time. Ask what tools you’ll need but, show up with a tape, hammer, nail puller, and a motivated attitude. He was right. The foreman was surprised.
I’ve showed up a 1/2 hour early everyday for the last 23 years.
Now as a foreman myself, when I see an apprentice show up at the same time, that tells me a lot.
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9/20/2020 12:18pm
No Not bullshit. they want to do a PCR to Confirm if that was a true positive. He should retest with the PCR. If PCR comes...
No Not bullshit. they want to do a PCR to
Confirm if that was a true positive. He should retest with the PCR. If PCR comes back negative, rapid was a false positive.
sumdood wrote:
Well that's exactly what happened. Second test came back negative. I can't tell you how relieved we are. But I have to wonder if his "false...
Well that's exactly what happened. Second test came back negative. I can't tell you how relieved we are. But I have to wonder if his "false positive" was counted as a "Positive" for the county's / states statistics ? Once the positive column gets checked on the county's list do they come back later and un-check it when it turns out to be a false positive ? I'm not a conspiracy theory guy normally but I wouldn't be one bit surprised if that was the case. Fucked up as it sounds. Anyway if nothing else it scared us into taking the masks and distancing a little more serious. Feeling a bit relieved this morning. Good luck everyone stay safe.
See, now you’re experiencing the bullshit. Is it so demonic to question these things ? Some say yes. I say...no. Question everything.
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9/20/2020 1:53pm Edited Date/Time 9/20/2020 1:56pm
Local news headline said “(insert number) new inactive cases today”

New inactive cases? WTF? Looked it up and the term “recovered” has been changed to “inactive.” I guess saying “(insert number) recoveries today” just sounded too fucking positive. Laughing Anyone half ass listening to news or reads the headline too fast would misread it as “new active cases.”
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I'm continuing to keep track of deaths from all causes, updating my data every couple weeks. I'm a data nerd, so I'm really curious to see how things look at the end of the year compared to last year and previous. I also want to see if there is a spike through the winter months, so maybe I just keep it going through 2021 and see how/if things improve once a vaccine is out there. It doesn't take more than a few minutes to do the updates anyway.

This is presented as neutral as it gets...Again, ALL CAUSES, year over year comparison (thanks to APLMAN99 for the idea a few pages back). Let's pretend Covid wasn't known and someone showed you this. What would your first thought be? What would you want to know?

As it stands, there are currently ~227k more deaths in 2020 compared to the same time in 2019. The numbers from recent weeks will continue to revise upward as data trickles in from around the country.

This data is readily available for anyone to download and interpret to their heart's desire. I found tables going back to the 1960s, and I'm sure there is more than that.

FYI, the light blue line spiking at the early part of 2018 was from our worst flu season in over 40 years iirc.



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9/20/2020 5:55pm
According to your data we’ve flattened the curve.
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According to your data we’ve flattened the curve.
I was thinking the same thing. We’re on the tail end of the “second spike.”
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According to your data we’ve flattened the curve.
That is probably a true statement for much of the country currently, but we still have hot spots in quite a few places. I've always maintained that the response to this thing required nuance and careful planning, SPECIFIC to the needs to each state, county, city, etc. We got very little of that thanks to a lot of factors we don't need to get into.

The messaging of "flatten the curve" and applying that to the country as a whole never made sense to me. It gave false hope and expectation for everyone. We even opened up quite a bit out here in CA for a couple weeks in July... That didn't turn out well, as we quickly found out.

That dip at the end of the yellow line is not going to be as pronounced (any may not even exist) in the coming weeks as the data is recorded. Hell, it could go up.

So, does a flat line that is 10k deaths above 2019 every single week mean we are "ok"? What is the appropriate response? Stay hunkered down a bit longer until we get a vaccine? Or, just open it all up let things spike? Obviously the answer depends where you live, but for places that are open/opening soon, probably keep massive events (concerts for example) off the table and keep an eye on air travel to/from "hot" states. Just my opinion.

Quick head math tells me if we maintain 5-10k deaths per week over normal until the end of the year, we are looking at 310-400k additional deaths for 2020. I could only imagine how things would look if zero restrictions were ever put in place.
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According to your data we’ve flattened the curve.
SoCalMX70 wrote:
That is probably a true statement for much of the country currently, but we still have hot spots in quite a few places. I've always maintained...
That is probably a true statement for much of the country currently, but we still have hot spots in quite a few places. I've always maintained that the response to this thing required nuance and careful planning, SPECIFIC to the needs to each state, county, city, etc. We got very little of that thanks to a lot of factors we don't need to get into.

The messaging of "flatten the curve" and applying that to the country as a whole never made sense to me. It gave false hope and expectation for everyone. We even opened up quite a bit out here in CA for a couple weeks in July... That didn't turn out well, as we quickly found out.

That dip at the end of the yellow line is not going to be as pronounced (any may not even exist) in the coming weeks as the data is recorded. Hell, it could go up.

So, does a flat line that is 10k deaths above 2019 every single week mean we are "ok"? What is the appropriate response? Stay hunkered down a bit longer until we get a vaccine? Or, just open it all up let things spike? Obviously the answer depends where you live, but for places that are open/opening soon, probably keep massive events (concerts for example) off the table and keep an eye on air travel to/from "hot" states. Just my opinion.

Quick head math tells me if we maintain 5-10k deaths per week over normal until the end of the year, we are looking at 310-400k additional deaths for 2020. I could only imagine how things would look if zero restrictions were ever put in place.
We humans have a bad habit of seeing some things working so well that we just stop doing them......

Here’s the predictions with universal mask use and easing restrictions. It’s important to remember that for really the first 3 months of the year, there were virtually no deaths so the predicted total deaths on January 1, 2021 is essentially for a 9 month period.



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9/21/2020 3:13pm
Interesting info; the city of Saint Louis has 197 covid deaths and has 198 homicides. As of today.

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