Osborne Bike Issue and the “Rule”

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Zycki11 8/22/2020 10:43am
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Jeff alessi wrote:
Those rules are for a normal day, in the situation rules have been bent and tweaked to meet the conditions. And for anyone to say a...
Those rules are for a normal day, in the situation rules have been bent and tweaked to meet the conditions. And for anyone to say a B rider can’t ride A group your right and that’s because the B group is after A so it’s not possible so it holds no reason to be said or compared. Ozzy was already 3 seconds off the pace from being out of the earlier practice, so it didn’t help him in anyway.
Switch it to C Jeff. Rules are for a normal day. Does it come with a * stipulating such?
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snackfedbear 8/22/2020 10:46am
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They didn’t give tickle any leeway
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GuyB wrote:
This wasn't a normal day. He was missing two of his three opportunities to qualify based on promoter decisions. I'm fine with him making it in...
This wasn't a normal day. He was missing two of his three opportunities to qualify based on promoter decisions.

I'm fine with him making it in via the B practice.
Again, missing two of his three opportunities. Replace Zach with a privateer and he doesn’t get the same opportunities. You think it’s fine because it’s nice and he is the points leader. The bikes have become more electronic over the years. The team had time after washing it to verify it would run.
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MasonMan 8/22/2020 10:48am
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If they have to race the bike they qualified with why not unload another bike?
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BigBoreFan58 8/22/2020 11:04am
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Let Zach RIDE!
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MudPup545 8/22/2020 11:16am
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“Rules are rules and MUST be followed!”

So.....none of you have ever been pulled over for speeding and let go with a warning? Or did you insist that the officer give you a citation?
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mxwells216 8/22/2020 11:17am
8/22/2020 11:17am
No we just want crap to be fair...It seems like more and more things are just political. I wish sports would just stay in their own lane and if you have rules then live by them no matter the circumstances. This time is a free pass to Osborne, but they should say after this if you miss your qualifying group you miss the race. Cause everyone is in the same boat
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TeamGreen 8/22/2020 11:31am
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Isn't there a statement in the rule book about the discretion of the race officials...?
Huh
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25dude 8/22/2020 11:53am
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So the practice order is:

250 B Practice
250 A Practice
450 A Practice
450 B Practice

Would they let a 250 B guy practice in A if his bike wouldn't start... NO! Would MxSports manipulate the rules to get Jett Lawrence into the show if his bike wouldn't start.. YES! From now on... if practice is muddy and I needed a good qualifying time and my name was Tomac or Anderson. I would fake my bike not starting then ride the potential better practice in the 450 B. And MxSports would have to allow it because "it helps make the program better".

Absolutely disagree with this...

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Zycki11 8/22/2020 11:54am
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TeamGreen wrote:
Isn't there a statement in the rule book about the discretion of the race officials...?
Huh
Lol if your referring to the AMA rule book we all know how stringent they are with it anyway haha. I want Zach to race. I believe it should be an even playing field for all riders.
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bultokid 8/22/2020 11:55am
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Only some poon fangina wouldn't want to have one of the top riders out there. FFS, already lose lot of riders after the SX season as it is
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TeamGreen 8/22/2020 11:57am
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TeamGreen wrote:
Isn't there a statement in the rule book about the discretion of the race officials...?
Huh
Zycki11 wrote:
Lol if your referring to the AMA rule book we all know how stringent they are with it anyway haha. I want Zach to race. I...
Lol if your referring to the AMA rule book we all know how stringent they are with it anyway haha. I want Zach to race. I believe it should be an even playing field for all riders.
That's fine; but, let's not buy into the "Unfairness Assumptions" being created by the imagiantions of the anrgy-folk, maybe?
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lostboy819 8/22/2020 12:00pm
8/22/2020 12:00pm
25dude wrote:
So the practice order is: 250 B Practice 250 A Practice 450 A Practice 450 B Practice Would they let a 250 B guy practice in...
So the practice order is:

250 B Practice
250 A Practice
450 A Practice
450 B Practice

Would they let a 250 B guy practice in A if his bike wouldn't start... NO! Would MxSports manipulate the rules to get Jett Lawrence into the show if his bike wouldn't start.. YES! From now on... if practice is muddy and I needed a good qualifying time and my name was Tomac or Anderson. I would fake my bike not starting then ride the potential better practice in the 450 B. And MxSports would have to allow it because "it helps make the program better".

Absolutely disagree with this...

So you signed up for Vital just to post that ? Laughing
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Zycki11 8/22/2020 12:06pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
That's fine; but, let's not buy into the "Unfairness Assumptions" being created by the imagiantions of the anrgy-folk, maybe?
Do you think if a rider in the B group who had a bad fuel pump and has the part would be allowed in? One would think they would have more leniency or referee discretion for that rider based on travel expenses etc.

For those using the cop ticket reference. That is not the same as a competitive professional sport.
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Frank Tuesday 8/22/2020 12:56pm
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MudPup545 wrote:
“Rules are rules and MUST be followed!” So.....none of you have ever been pulled over for speeding and let go with a warning? Or did you...
“Rules are rules and MUST be followed!”

So.....none of you have ever been pulled over for speeding and let go with a warning? Or did you insist that the officer give you a citation?
Driving a car on the street isn't a sport which is designed upon fair sporting principles. The two scenarios have no relation.
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JohnnyD13 8/22/2020 1:30pm
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MudPup545 wrote:
“Rules are rules and MUST be followed!” So.....none of you have ever been pulled over for speeding and let go with a warning? Or did you...
“Rules are rules and MUST be followed!”

So.....none of you have ever been pulled over for speeding and let go with a warning? Or did you insist that the officer give you a citation?
Frank Tuesday wrote:
Driving a car on the street isn't a sport which is designed upon fair sporting principles. The two scenarios have no relation.
To sum this up and close out this very informative thread: The officials that made the call made the right call. There might be an argument if it wasn’t a mudder, but it was. If you think Osborne should have been disqualified, you are wrong. And it’s ok to be wrong. Learn from it and make adjustments. Better luck next time!
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crusty_xx 8/22/2020 2:04pm
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GuyB wrote:
This wasn't a normal day. He was missing two of his three opportunities to qualify based on promoter decisions. I'm fine with him making it in...
This wasn't a normal day. He was missing two of his three opportunities to qualify based on promoter decisions.

I'm fine with him making it in via the B practice.
Zycki11 wrote:
Again, missing two of his three opportunities. Replace Zach with a privateer and he doesn’t get the same opportunities. You think it’s fine because it’s nice...
Again, missing two of his three opportunities. Replace Zach with a privateer and he doesn’t get the same opportunities. You think it’s fine because it’s nice and he is the points leader. The bikes have become more electronic over the years. The team had time after washing it to verify it would run.
So who's the privateer that got denied entry into A practice after the same thing happened to him? Or are you complaining about what YOU think would happen in the unlikely case that a B rider has such problem, gets his bike fixed in time and then asks to be allowed into the other group? Really?
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Frank Tuesday 8/22/2020 2:05pm
8/22/2020 2:05pm Edited Date/Time 8/22/2020 2:06pm
MudPup545 wrote:
“Rules are rules and MUST be followed!” So.....none of you have ever been pulled over for speeding and let go with a warning? Or did you...
“Rules are rules and MUST be followed!”

So.....none of you have ever been pulled over for speeding and let go with a warning? Or did you insist that the officer give you a citation?
Frank Tuesday wrote:
Driving a car on the street isn't a sport which is designed upon fair sporting principles. The two scenarios have no relation.
JohnnyD13 wrote:
To sum this up and close out this very informative thread: The officials that made the call made the right call. There might be an argument...
To sum this up and close out this very informative thread: The officials that made the call made the right call. There might be an argument if it wasn’t a mudder, but it was. If you think Osborne should have been disqualified, you are wrong. And it’s ok to be wrong. Learn from it and make adjustments. Better luck next time!
Are you replying to the right person? Cause nothing you said applies to my comment.
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TeamGreen 8/22/2020 2:37pm
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GuyB wrote:
This wasn't a normal day. He was missing two of his three opportunities to qualify based on promoter decisions. I'm fine with him making it in...
This wasn't a normal day. He was missing two of his three opportunities to qualify based on promoter decisions.

I'm fine with him making it in via the B practice.
Zycki11 wrote:
Again, missing two of his three opportunities. Replace Zach with a privateer and he doesn’t get the same opportunities. You think it’s fine because it’s nice...
Again, missing two of his three opportunities. Replace Zach with a privateer and he doesn’t get the same opportunities. You think it’s fine because it’s nice and he is the points leader. The bikes have become more electronic over the years. The team had time after washing it to verify it would run.
crusty_xx wrote:
So who's the privateer that got denied entry into A practice after the same thing happened to him? Or are you complaining about what YOU think...
So who's the privateer that got denied entry into A practice after the same thing happened to him? Or are you complaining about what YOU think would happen in the unlikely case that a B rider has such problem, gets his bike fixed in time and then asks to be allowed into the other group? Really?
"Well, you'll see...I'll bet it happened!"
(In their minds)
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Francis377 8/22/2020 2:49pm
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downard254 wrote:
Come on guys, racing is a show, and If the show is better with all of the top riders racing in it, then that’s what’s going...
Come on guys, racing is a show, and If the show is better with all of the top riders racing in it, then that’s what’s going to happen.
This is the problem exactly. Freestyle MX is a show, I hope that motocross is more than a show but a compétition of skill. For a competition the have integrity all rules should aply to all competitors equallly. Whether this applies in this case I dont even care but I really hope that mx racing is not perceived as some kind of circus show.
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Zycki11 8/22/2020 3:16pm
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crusty_xx wrote:
So who's the privateer that got denied entry into A practice after the same thing happened to him? Or are you complaining about what YOU think...
So who's the privateer that got denied entry into A practice after the same thing happened to him? Or are you complaining about what YOU think would happen in the unlikely case that a B rider has such problem, gets his bike fixed in time and then asks to be allowed into the other group? Really?
Whoa bro, a little aggressive with the caps. Never mentioned it happened. Simply stated we have rules for a reason in a professional sport.

P.S. it wasn’t a complaint, merely an observation. Perhaps Go back to wearing LBZ and thinking your Kenny Powers.
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Zycki11 8/22/2020 3:18pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
"Well, you'll see...I'll bet it happened!"
(In their minds)
Blink
Yeah no, leave it to beaver to make the wrong assumptions.

On another note; great ride by wacko Zacho, and oof Tomac has got a big hole.
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TeamGreen 8/22/2020 3:19pm
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crusty_xx wrote:
So who's the privateer that got denied entry into A practice after the same thing happened to him? Or are you complaining about what YOU think...
So who's the privateer that got denied entry into A practice after the same thing happened to him? Or are you complaining about what YOU think would happen in the unlikely case that a B rider has such problem, gets his bike fixed in time and then asks to be allowed into the other group? Really?
Zycki11 wrote:
Whoa bro, a little aggressive with the caps. Never mentioned it happened. Simply stated we have rules for a reason in a professional sport. P.S. it...
Whoa bro, a little aggressive with the caps. Never mentioned it happened. Simply stated we have rules for a reason in a professional sport.

P.S. it wasn’t a complaint, merely an observation. Perhaps Go back to wearing LBZ and thinking your Kenny Powers.
Yo! Did you just throw some shade on Kenny Mother-F'n Powers?
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crusty_xx 8/22/2020 3:24pm
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crusty_xx wrote:
So who's the privateer that got denied entry into A practice after the same thing happened to him? Or are you complaining about what YOU think...
So who's the privateer that got denied entry into A practice after the same thing happened to him? Or are you complaining about what YOU think would happen in the unlikely case that a B rider has such problem, gets his bike fixed in time and then asks to be allowed into the other group? Really?
Zycki11 wrote:
Whoa bro, a little aggressive with the caps. Never mentioned it happened. Simply stated we have rules for a reason in a professional sport. P.S. it...
Whoa bro, a little aggressive with the caps. Never mentioned it happened. Simply stated we have rules for a reason in a professional sport.

P.S. it wasn’t a complaint, merely an observation. Perhaps Go back to wearing LBZ and thinking your Kenny Powers.
You did mention about 47 times that they would not let a B rider do the same thing. I just wondered if that actually happened (today or in the last 10 days) or if your "observation" is based on speculation and therefore completely irrelevant
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crusty_xx 8/22/2020 3:25pm
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Zycki11 wrote:
Do you get to bend what time you go to work, or get out of a ticket? It’s not about who the rider is. It is...
Do you get to bend what time you go to work, or get out of a ticket? It’s not about who the rider is. It is about the RULE. What’s the point of having them if everyone thinks like you? Should everyone get special treatment or should we treat everyone the same because of said rule?
easy on the caps bro
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Zycki11 8/22/2020 3:35pm
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crusty_xx wrote:
You did mention about 47 times that they would not let a B rider do the same thing. I just wondered if that actually happened (today...
You did mention about 47 times that they would not let a B rider do the same thing. I just wondered if that actually happened (today or in the last 10 days) or if your "observation" is based on speculation and therefore completely irrelevant
You tend to stretch things out a bit no? 47 timesHuh Speculation comes from not knowing. Tell me, with a 40 rider gate; a “B” group rider with a mechanical issue on the line for practice. Do you believe the AMA would allow him on the line and take another riders spot? Or perhaps throw him in as a alternate?

The entire purpose of this thread was to pose the question. In the meantime it’s clowns like yourself who can’t sit back and just read. Instead you have to throw some stupid remark out on the web and flex them muscles. Maybe Bubbles would be a better “observation”
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BigBoreFan58 8/22/2020 3:50pm
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Like it or not motocross is just like real life. The one's with the money make the rules. The factories have the money, they're the 1%ers. That B rider in a Sprinter van pitted in the back 40 is just another 99%er. Life goes on.
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deno231 8/22/2020 4:13pm
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I hear both sides of the argument and I tend to lean towards the side that says he should be able to qualify through the B group. The schedule was changed which took away 2 other chances to qualify. But what keeps going through my head is that the qualifying is done by lap time. Its not as if Zach beat someone out of a finishing position to qualify. Everyone out there had the same opportunity to turn a fast lap.
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Suicidal_Tendencies 8/22/2020 4:15pm
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Zycki11 wrote:
Allowing Osborne to practice in the B group is wrong. It’s not like the B group can switch on a whim to A. Hell if they...
Allowing Osborne to practice in the B group is wrong. It’s not like the B group can switch on a whim to A. Hell if they had a C group would they let him in to that practice?

Would you really not want ZO to race because of the issues he had in his qualifying? Not me.
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