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1/26/2012 11:06pm
If you look closely, Josh has a lot going on at the time, a lapper on the inside, and a guy in what looks like an orange vest standing in front of the guy with the no jump flag.
The bottom line is if the flagger on the OUTSIDE had a no jump flag, i could see the penalty being fair. In this case, i think JGR should try and appeal it.
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The flag was out, he jumped, he gets the penalty, Sucks it happened but it's the right call.
It's a tough penalty because there is a lot going on for Grant and the no-jump flagger should have gone out into the track. On the other hand, Alessi had a lot going on, too, and he saw it and backed off. But I don't think the issue with the rule is whether you had intent to violate the rule, but whether you jumped against the flag whether you were aware of it or not.
At the end of the day, it's easier to enforce rules when you base penalties in safety rules on cut or dry decisions, even if it cuts harshly. It's tough, too, after they handed out position penalties earlier in the day for the same thing in the 250f's.
Feel badly for Grant, and won't lose any sleep if it sticks or gets reversed.
I think if one was green and one was red I'd be slowing down, One other thing ,
you would be surprised the amount of riders and Team Personnel that do not know the rules. not saying Grant didn't know but he didn't even slow down.
I'm like FTE if it gets reversed or sticks it won't bother me either way.
I know one thing for sure, riders wont be jumping if they see that flag again!
Anyone else notice how fast the lappers have been getting out of the way since Chisolm-gate?
in josh's defense, he's not putting around on a sunday afternoon stroll, he's hauling ass. he paid attention to the one flag that was waving to get his attention and even heeded the direction of finger pointing to move over to the left. he had to see and decide all of this in about one second while coming up to a major jump.
just curious, why 2 flaggers in that corner? did the other guy abandon his post to come over and cover this post?
The track official screwed up and the AMA backed him up. The video clearly shows the problem with the guy with the yellow/red flag. What's the deal, they can't afford to have more of those "special" flags so we don't have this problem again.
Grant got screwed!
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Here's the rules:
Warning Flags:
i. Stationary Yellow Flag: Indicates a potentially hazardous
situation on or near the racetrack. Passing is allowed. Riders
must exercise caution.
ii. Waving Yellow Flag: Indicates serious hazard on or near the
racetrack. Passing is allowed. Riders must proceed with
extreme caution.
iii. Yellow and Red Stripe Flag: Indicates a
potentially hazardous situation on or near
the racetrack in an area that is not clearly
visible to on-coming riders. Both wheels of
the motorcycle must remain on the ground over obstacles until
the rider has passed the area of concern.
So, he should have kept the wheels on the ground. That settles the issue IMO.
What I think happened is that he did not see the no jump flag. Possibly due to the line he was in and looking at the guy to his right, or possibly due to Mike blocking clear view of the flag. Lot going on there.
Had he not made a pass, it probably would have been a warning and not a position loss (my guess). The officials need to do a better job, but the rules are there and they attempted to warn everyone.
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I see both sides of this. A rule is a rule. But I think it's also reasonable to assume that Grant did not see the inside flagger in time to do anything about it. If you're going to have such a penalty on the books, then you need to make sure there is NO CHANCE to overlook the signal. The outside flagger and the inside flagger should have been waving the SAME FLAG. Or, better yet, they need an electronic system. Low power LEDs and Wifi make such a portable system possible and not super costly.
All things considered, I'd rather see them stick to the rules to the letter, even with flaws in the execution. But FIX THE DAMNED fuck up, DC!
Review the video, the flag is out well before Grant enters the corner, the yellow flagman is in the line AND pointing to the inside where the Yellow cross flag is. Grant never looked but in the end that is irrelevant. Racing is racing but Grant could have and should have checked up and it is the RIDER who is responsible for being aware of the flags and obeying them, the penalty will stand.
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