Kenny Opening Up About His Performance

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Bunch of dicks with bags of dicks around here. We sure are glad SX is back on, right?
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kiwifan wrote:
cool, can you tell us how you know that? I missed the press release
MBR wrote:
Actually PR on that is going to be out soon and let’s just say MZ193 has wrong information Wink
kiwifan wrote:
ah ok thank you
Kenny also mentioned, in a recent RacerX interview with Weigandt, they would be receiving the new bike soon and he is looking forward to testing it. I would assume it is just a question of: how long was production halted in Japan due to Corona which postponed their release schedule.
Maverick313 6/7/2020 6:11am
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str8line wrote:
Greased lightning. Nobody passes like Roczen early race. Ever.
From Movers and Shakers this season so far....

Roczen has passed 19 riders.
Tomac has passed 73 riders.
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Maverick313 6/7/2020 6:18am
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Park Boys wrote:
It’s something, he can go from being the fastest guy on the track to 10 minutes later being 2-3 seconds off. The talent is there. Will...
It’s something, he can go from being the fastest guy on the track to 10 minutes later being 2-3 seconds off. The talent is there. Will most likely never see pre injury Ken but at least he still gives you moments.
In fairness Roczen has done that multiple times pre injury. Go watch the second half of the 2012 250 motocross season.

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Kenny seems like such a good dude and his talent is unquestionable. That being said I’ve struggled to like him since his 250 days for this...
Kenny seems like such a good dude and his talent is unquestionable. That being said I’ve struggled to like him since his 250 days for this very reason. Every time he gets beat it’s an excuse. Hell I remember him saying something about his boot buckle being unhooked and distracting once after a loss. He’s come through some brutal crap no doubt and I want to root for the guy but excuses over the years and these posts just loose me. Never hear crap when he’s out front cruising to wins 🤔
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I remember that, it was at Muddy Creek and his boot was pretty much hanging off to the point where you could see his sock. Definitely...
I remember that, it was at Muddy Creek and his boot was pretty much hanging off to the point where you could see his sock. Definitely more than enough to be a distraction.

I hate that as soon as a rider opens up on issues they’re having people see it as excuses. He finished 25 seconds off the lead on Wednesday and it was blatantly obvious to see the drop off in the second half of the main.
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Hanging off to the point of seeing his sock? Uh nope. I’m not trashing Ken here. It’s just a pattern he has and it keeps me...
Hanging off to the point of seeing his sock? Uh nope. I’m not trashing Ken here. It’s just a pattern he has and it keeps me from giving him the respect he truly deserves that’s all. I’ve said before it may be how he’s wired as a professional athlete? Possibly not letting himself believe he got beat straight up to continue to mentally believe he’s superior. I honestly don’t know why he does it but I don’t believe I’m imagining it, and obviously there’s other people that picked up on it too.
Uh, yep. I remember clearly it happening. There’s a difference between getting beat straight up and what happened to Kenny on Wednesday. He went from being one of the fastest and most aggressive on the track early on to nearly getting caught by Wilson at the end. That doesn’t happen without reason. If you want to put it down to him not being mentally strong enough to accept getting beat then you do that, but you’re wrong. He’s been through a lot worse than getting beat
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Toofastbroo 6/7/2020 7:14am
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bigk218 wrote:
Had he not gone through his injuries he’d be makin Eli look like a-ray. (No hate to a-ray).
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And if tomac didn’t blow his shoulders head be making roczen look as bad as you
Roczen rinsed tomac before both of there injuries was a diffrent level to tomac your an idiot
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Toofastbroo 6/7/2020 7:17am
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bigk218 wrote:
Had he not gone through his injuries he’d be makin Eli look like a-ray. (No hate to a-ray).
Mr. Afterbar wrote:
That’s funny, because I don’t recall that happening pre injury either.
2016 nationals where he won 21 of 24 motos tomac only won 1 lol
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bigk218 wrote:
Had he not gone through his injuries he’d be makin Eli look like a-ray. (No hate to a-ray).
Mr. Afterbar wrote:
That’s funny, because I don’t recall that happening pre injury either.
Toofastbroo wrote:
2016 nationals where he won 21 of 24 motos tomac only won 1 lol
You mean when tomac was recovering from double shoulder injury]? See how easy excuses are.
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Toofastbroo 6/7/2020 7:32am
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Mr. Afterbar wrote:
That’s funny, because I don’t recall that happening pre injury either.
Toofastbroo wrote:
2016 nationals where he won 21 of 24 motos tomac only won 1 lol
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You mean when tomac was recovering from double shoulder injury]? See how easy excuses are.
Wasnt that a year after tomacs injury, he got smoked pal
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Toofastbroo wrote:
2016 nationals where he won 21 of 24 motos tomac only won 1 lol
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You mean when tomac was recovering from double shoulder injury]? See how easy excuses are.
Toofastbroo wrote:
Wasnt that a year after tomacs injury, he got smoked pal
Nope. Tomac. Got hurt in 2015 on honda, wasnt 100% healthy for ,2016. See how that works. But keep believing what ya want.
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Toofastbroo wrote:
2016 nationals where he won 21 of 24 motos tomac only won 1 lol
mxb2 wrote:
You mean when tomac was recovering from double shoulder injury]? See how easy excuses are.
Toofastbroo wrote:
Wasnt that a year after tomacs injury, he got smoked pal
And once healthy ,tomac hasnt lost a title to kroc, did you miss the last 3 years of sx, mx?
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Toofastbroo 6/7/2020 7:40am
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mxb2 wrote:
You mean when tomac was recovering from double shoulder injury]? See how easy excuses are.
Toofastbroo wrote:
Wasnt that a year after tomacs injury, he got smoked pal
mxb2 wrote:
And once healthy ,tomac hasnt lost a title to kroc, did you miss the last 3 years of sx, mx?
No but roczen pretty much missed 2 years in that time mate
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Toofastbroo 6/7/2020 7:42am
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Toofastbroo wrote:
Wasnt that a year after tomacs injury, he got smoked pal
mxb2 wrote:
And once healthy ,tomac hasnt lost a title to kroc, did you miss the last 3 years of sx, mx?
Toofastbroo wrote:
No but roczen pretty much missed 2 years in that time mate
And still isnt the same now, one thing I will say is tomac recovered from his injuries a lot better than kroc no doubt
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Toofastbroo wrote:
Wasnt that a year after tomacs injury, he got smoked pal
mxb2 wrote:
And once healthy ,tomac hasnt lost a title to kroc, did you miss the last 3 years of sx, mx?
Toofastbroo wrote:
No but roczen pretty much missed 2 years in that time mate
Is that tomacs fault? They race who is behind the gate
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Toofastbroo 6/7/2020 7:45am
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mxb2 wrote:
And once healthy ,tomac hasnt lost a title to kroc, did you miss the last 3 years of sx, mx?
Toofastbroo wrote:
No but roczen pretty much missed 2 years in that time mate
mxb2 wrote:
Is that tomacs fault? They race who is behind the gate
Yeah your right, I just think people hate on kroc too much early 2017 roczen would beat tomac now and tomac before his injuries like he did that's all I'm saying
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Toofastbroo wrote:
No but roczen pretty much missed 2 years in that time mate
mxb2 wrote:
Is that tomacs fault? They race who is behind the gate
Toofastbroo wrote:
Yeah your right, I just think people hate on kroc too much early 2017 roczen would beat tomac now and tomac before his injuries like he...
Yeah your right, I just think people hate on kroc too much early 2017 roczen would beat tomac now and tomac before his injuries like he did that's all I'm saying
Well, its 2020,. If. If if doesnt count. If tomac didnt crash on the honda, he would have won another title and more races. But i m not worried about 4-5 years ago what ifs.. We are talking current, only thing that counts now.
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Thisusernameisavailable 6/7/2020 9:18am
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How long has he got before Honda start looking for another lead-star? Whatever the reasons, Kenny was hired to deliver and hasn't done so. This is...
How long has he got before Honda start looking for another lead-star?
Whatever the reasons, Kenny was hired to deliver and hasn't done so. This is business to Honda who want to win.
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It’s ridiculous how this trend exists in vital. A couple average results (and by average I mean didn’t win) and your wondering when he will be...
It’s ridiculous how this trend exists in vital. A couple average results (and by average I mean didn’t win) and your wondering when he will be sacked.

You realise he is running second in points right?
Second? As in 1 and then 2.

So by your logic everyone should be sacked and all manufacturers should hire ET3!!

Never seen a group of supporters that are so quick to rubbish the stars of the sport as this crowd.
No no no! Its far deeper than that. Im not expecting Honda to drop Roczen like a stone immediately.

It hasn't been "a couple average results" has it?
He was employed 1/1/17 at the top of his game. As a winner. He was employed, to win.
He's had injury, missed series, recovery, injury, build up, illness, win, illness, win, excuses..

Honda are now three and a half years in to a multi-million dollar investment that hasn't paid off. Do they stick it out? Do they begin to look for someone else who can deliver?
Even if they aren't a winner now, Honda are looking for a winner within the next 2-3 years. Who can deliver that prestigious 450 championship?

You can't deny Kenny has been a disappointment for Honda. Realistically, how many years has he got left? The same amount as Eli maybe? With mental momentum in Eli's favour, will he ever beat Eli to a championship again?

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No no no! Its far deeper than that. Im not expecting Honda to drop Roczen like a stone immediately. It hasn't been "a couple average results"...
No no no! Its far deeper than that. Im not expecting Honda to drop Roczen like a stone immediately.

It hasn't been "a couple average results" has it?
He was employed 1/1/17 at the top of his game. As a winner. He was employed, to win.
He's had injury, missed series, recovery, injury, build up, illness, win, illness, win, excuses..

Honda are now three and a half years in to a multi-million dollar investment that hasn't paid off. Do they stick it out? Do they begin to look for someone else who can deliver?
Even if they aren't a winner now, Honda are looking for a winner within the next 2-3 years. Who can deliver that prestigious 450 championship?

You can't deny Kenny has been a disappointment for Honda. Realistically, how many years has he got left? The same amount as Eli maybe? With mental momentum in Eli's favour, will he ever beat Eli to a championship again?

He signed new deal last year. This is first year of three of the new deal. If Honda wanted to sack him they had a chance. I know you would, but they are smarter than you.

Stick it out. Dumbass...
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
How long has he got before Honda start looking for another lead-star? Whatever the reasons, Kenny was hired to deliver and hasn't done so. This is...
How long has he got before Honda start looking for another lead-star?
Whatever the reasons, Kenny was hired to deliver and hasn't done so. This is business to Honda who want to win.
Joel Spoor wrote:
It’s ridiculous how this trend exists in vital. A couple average results (and by average I mean didn’t win) and your wondering when he will be...
It’s ridiculous how this trend exists in vital. A couple average results (and by average I mean didn’t win) and your wondering when he will be sacked.

You realise he is running second in points right?
Second? As in 1 and then 2.

So by your logic everyone should be sacked and all manufacturers should hire ET3!!

Never seen a group of supporters that are so quick to rubbish the stars of the sport as this crowd.
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
No no no! Its far deeper than that. Im not expecting Honda to drop Roczen like a stone immediately. It hasn't been "a couple average results"...
No no no! Its far deeper than that. Im not expecting Honda to drop Roczen like a stone immediately.

It hasn't been "a couple average results" has it?
He was employed 1/1/17 at the top of his game. As a winner. He was employed, to win.
He's had injury, missed series, recovery, injury, build up, illness, win, illness, win, excuses..

Honda are now three and a half years in to a multi-million dollar investment that hasn't paid off. Do they stick it out? Do they begin to look for someone else who can deliver?
Even if they aren't a winner now, Honda are looking for a winner within the next 2-3 years. Who can deliver that prestigious 450 championship?

You can't deny Kenny has been a disappointment for Honda. Realistically, how many years has he got left? The same amount as Eli maybe? With mental momentum in Eli's favour, will he ever beat Eli to a championship again?

You think there’s someone better than Roczen out there to take his place?
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bigk218 wrote:
Had he not gone through his injuries he’d be makin Eli look like a-ray. (No hate to a-ray).
Wow, isn't that a brilliant take. You know what? If only I started riding at an earlier age, I would have been a sx champ too. See how stupid that sounds?
As far as people trying to call out his statement, Kenny really has never given us a reason to doubt anything he's said. Why start now?
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mx196 wrote:
Kenny’s either a hypochondriac or just a medical mess.
THIS... Say what you want about Eli but I’ve never seen the guy come to the table with excuses, even after a head scratching performance. Occasionally something will leak out through the grape vine a week or so after a race(see fence building Eli). Contrast that with Kenny where literally EVERY time he has an off race he blames either the motorcycle setup or a mysterious illness. FYI- l Iove kroc but let’s call a spade a spade.
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MBR wrote:
Actually PR on that is going to be out soon and let’s just say MZ193 has wrong information Wink
kiwifan wrote:
ah ok thank you
Noaim wrote:
Kenny also mentioned, in a recent RacerX interview with Weigandt, they would be receiving the new bike soon and he is looking forward to testing it...
Kenny also mentioned, in a recent RacerX interview with Weigandt, they would be receiving the new bike soon and he is looking forward to testing it. I would assume it is just a question of: how long was production halted in Japan due to Corona which postponed their release schedule.
Yup, should be interesting to see what it will be like and timeframes for production
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mx196 wrote:
Kenny’s either a hypochondriac or just a medical mess.
HusqFan3 wrote:
THIS... Say what you want about Eli but I’ve never seen the guy come to the table with excuses, even after a head scratching performance. Occasionally...
THIS... Say what you want about Eli but I’ve never seen the guy come to the table with excuses, even after a head scratching performance. Occasionally something will leak out through the grape vine a week or so after a race(see fence building Eli). Contrast that with Kenny where literally EVERY time he has an off race he blames either the motorcycle setup or a mysterious illness. FYI- l Iove kroc but let’s call a spade a spade.
Sounds like you love Eli more than Kenny but hey good on you
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mx196 wrote:
Kenny’s either a hypochondriac or just a medical mess.
HusqFan3 wrote:
THIS... Say what you want about Eli but I’ve never seen the guy come to the table with excuses, even after a head scratching performance. Occasionally...
THIS... Say what you want about Eli but I’ve never seen the guy come to the table with excuses, even after a head scratching performance. Occasionally something will leak out through the grape vine a week or so after a race(see fence building Eli). Contrast that with Kenny where literally EVERY time he has an off race he blames either the motorcycle setup or a mysterious illness. FYI- l Iove kroc but let’s call a spade a spade.
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Sounds like you love Eli more than Kenny but hey good on you
No man, just cognizant of the facts is all. Show me a post race interview or presser of Eli complaining about his bike setup or giving excuses for his performance. Take your time, I’ll be waiting.
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HusqFan3 wrote:
THIS... Say what you want about Eli but I’ve never seen the guy come to the table with excuses, even after a head scratching performance. Occasionally...
THIS... Say what you want about Eli but I’ve never seen the guy come to the table with excuses, even after a head scratching performance. Occasionally something will leak out through the grape vine a week or so after a race(see fence building Eli). Contrast that with Kenny where literally EVERY time he has an off race he blames either the motorcycle setup or a mysterious illness. FYI- l Iove kroc but let’s call a spade a spade.
kiwifan wrote:
Sounds like you love Eli more than Kenny but hey good on you
HusqFan3 wrote:
No man, just cognizant of the facts is all. Show me a post race interview or presser of Eli complaining about his bike setup or giving...
No man, just cognizant of the facts is all. Show me a post race interview or presser of Eli complaining about his bike setup or giving excuses for his performance. Take your time, I’ll be waiting.
I dont have the time or inclination to do that....you just want a dig at Kenny, I get it....its all good mate
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Joel Spoor wrote:
It’s ridiculous how this trend exists in vital. A couple average results (and by average I mean didn’t win) and your wondering when he will be...
It’s ridiculous how this trend exists in vital. A couple average results (and by average I mean didn’t win) and your wondering when he will be sacked.

You realise he is running second in points right?
Second? As in 1 and then 2.

So by your logic everyone should be sacked and all manufacturers should hire ET3!!

Never seen a group of supporters that are so quick to rubbish the stars of the sport as this crowd.
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
No no no! Its far deeper than that. Im not expecting Honda to drop Roczen like a stone immediately. It hasn't been "a couple average results"...
No no no! Its far deeper than that. Im not expecting Honda to drop Roczen like a stone immediately.

It hasn't been "a couple average results" has it?
He was employed 1/1/17 at the top of his game. As a winner. He was employed, to win.
He's had injury, missed series, recovery, injury, build up, illness, win, illness, win, excuses..

Honda are now three and a half years in to a multi-million dollar investment that hasn't paid off. Do they stick it out? Do they begin to look for someone else who can deliver?
Even if they aren't a winner now, Honda are looking for a winner within the next 2-3 years. Who can deliver that prestigious 450 championship?

You can't deny Kenny has been a disappointment for Honda. Realistically, how many years has he got left? The same amount as Eli maybe? With mental momentum in Eli's favour, will he ever beat Eli to a championship again?

RG1 wrote:
You think there’s someone better than Roczen out there to take his place?
Honda recruitment team will be looking further than the end of their nose.
A bit like KTM we’re when they decided to employ Webb.
It’s not about who is better right now, it’s about who can be moulded in to a winner for the future.
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Sounds like you love Eli more than Kenny but hey good on you
HusqFan3 wrote:
No man, just cognizant of the facts is all. Show me a post race interview or presser of Eli complaining about his bike setup or giving...
No man, just cognizant of the facts is all. Show me a post race interview or presser of Eli complaining about his bike setup or giving excuses for his performance. Take your time, I’ll be waiting.
kiwifan wrote:
I dont have the time or inclination to do that....you just want a dig at Kenny, I get it....its all good mate
Yea that’s what i thought, mate... I love Kenny but stating he virtually always has an excuse lined up after a poor performance is no different than saying he rides a red bike. They’re both simply facts easily supported by empirical evidence.
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HusqFan3 wrote:
No man, just cognizant of the facts is all. Show me a post race interview or presser of Eli complaining about his bike setup or giving...
No man, just cognizant of the facts is all. Show me a post race interview or presser of Eli complaining about his bike setup or giving excuses for his performance. Take your time, I’ll be waiting.
kiwifan wrote:
I dont have the time or inclination to do that....you just want a dig at Kenny, I get it....its all good mate
HusqFan3 wrote:
Yea that’s what i thought, mate... I love Kenny but stating he virtually always has an excuse lined up after a poor performance is no different...
Yea that’s what i thought, mate... I love Kenny but stating he virtually always has an excuse lined up after a poor performance is no different than saying he rides a red bike. They’re both simply facts easily supported by empirical evidence.
So you say it's a normal Roczen performance to get lapped twice? Has he ever actually been lapped once in his life?
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Yeah, clearly nothing wrong
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kiwifan wrote:
I dont have the time or inclination to do that....you just want a dig at Kenny, I get it....its all good mate
HusqFan3 wrote:
Yea that’s what i thought, mate... I love Kenny but stating he virtually always has an excuse lined up after a poor performance is no different...
Yea that’s what i thought, mate... I love Kenny but stating he virtually always has an excuse lined up after a poor performance is no different than saying he rides a red bike. They’re both simply facts easily supported by empirical evidence.
crusty_xx wrote:
So you say it's a normal Roczen performance to get lapped twice? Has he ever actually been lapped once in his life?
Uhhh, not sure how that’s even remotely relevant to the discussion but ok.
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