How far the sport has come since Pace

Regis wrote:

It’s come a long, long way. The only thing I would say is the same is probably the purse money.

Jeff_Crutcher wrote:

1-900-PRO-RACE

Langhammx wrote:

That’s it !! Lol

NITRODOG wrote:

Everything has progressed in the world of communication. I remember rushing to get Monday morning's paper to see who won the NASCAR race the day before...

Everything has progressed in the world of communication. I remember rushing to get Monday morning's paper to see who won the NASCAR race the day before...

I'm thinking the Futurestars live timing platform is a beta test of whats coming for supercross...It's a little clunky to say the least, but you can see the potential. All made possible by IoT and the gathering of multiple data points which with the help of 5G can be filtered and delivered to provide individualized real time data to the end user.

Brad Nemeth wrote:

Yeah, I agree with that. Every other, and I mean every other pro sport has increased wages a ton in the past 20 years. Obviously the...

Yeah, I agree with that. Every other, and I mean every other pro sport has increased wages a ton in the past 20 years.

Obviously the teams pay the riders. But for example the purse for the NHL stanley cup doubled in 2013 to $13 million. Yes, they have a players union which fought for that in the last collective bargaining agreement...

EngIceDave wrote:

Not entirely true No purse on MXGP's No purse is MotoGP No purse in WSBK No purse in F1 NHL gets paid millions on TV contracts...

Not entirely true

No purse on MXGP's
No purse is MotoGP
No purse in WSBK
No purse in F1

NHL gets paid millions on TV contracts, not to mention fan paraphernalia

When was last time you saw a Carioli jersey, a Vale46 t-shirt or even a Cooper Webb jersey at the local Walmart?

The differences in money generated between bike racing and "stick and ball" sports is staggering
I believe Feld is STILL paying NBC/NBCSN to put the races on TV live.....They pay the networks to air it

EngIceDave wrote:

I've asked dozens and dozens of times and no one ever does it.... Jot down in your reply an estimate of every single expense you can...

I've asked dozens and dozens of times and no one ever does it....

Jot down in your reply an estimate of every single expense you can think of in operating a SX race....rent, security, a fleet of trucks, drivers, "stage hands," electricians, pyrotechnics, per diems, hotels, rental cars, salaries, airfare, F&B, insurance, TV production, talent, getting it on TV and so much more...then how much is Feld allowed to make per event?

How much profit is too much profit? What's the cap?

JeremyK wrote:

My VCR was always set to record Motoworld on espn.

Adam43 wrote:

The amount of coverage has improved, the quality has not.

The ESPN era shows were superior and showcased the sport in a much better light.

EngIceDave wrote:

I've asked dozens and dozens of times and no one ever does it.... Jot down in your reply an estimate of every single expense you can...

I've asked dozens and dozens of times and no one ever does it....

Jot down in your reply an estimate of every single expense you can think of in operating a SX race....rent, security, a fleet of trucks, drivers, "stage hands," electricians, pyrotechnics, per diems, hotels, rental cars, salaries, airfare, F&B, insurance, TV production, talent, getting it on TV and so much more...then how much is Feld allowed to make per event?

How much profit is too much profit? What's the cap?

Johnny Depp wrote:

Looking at prior events locations like Houston, I'd assume that it's not profitable enough under about 40k attendance. If you can't fill the seats, and there...

Looking at prior events locations like Houston, I'd assume that it's not profitable enough under about 40k attendance. If you can't fill the seats, and there are 17 rounds to make money, locations can get dropped. Not saying NO profit, just not enough.

When you consider that the promoter doesn't get to participate in the $40 cash parking ($35 by card to eliminate theft) the $9 beers, $12 drinks, and the same for overpriced crappy food concessions that is lost income in a BIG way.

The break even nut to even open the doors for an event like this have got to end with an M for millions.

Pace and Goodwin were some bold risk takers as promoters, and that continues over to today.

Johnny Depp wrote:

Looking at prior events locations like Houston, I'd assume that it's not profitable enough under about 40k attendance. If you can't fill the seats, and there...

Looking at prior events locations like Houston, I'd assume that it's not profitable enough under about 40k attendance. If you can't fill the seats, and there are 17 rounds to make money, locations can get dropped. Not saying NO profit, just not enough.

When you consider that the promoter doesn't get to participate in the $40 cash parking ($35 by card to eliminate theft) the $9 beers, $12 drinks, and the same for overpriced crappy food concessions that is lost income in a BIG way.

The break even nut to even open the doors for an event like this have got to end with an M for millions.

Pace and Goodwin were some bold risk takers as promoters, and that continues over to today.

Brad Nemeth wrote:

That's your breakeven number 40K? I don't even think there would be a series if that were the case. Who would take that risk? I could...

That's your breakeven number 40K? I don't even think there would be a series if that were the case. Who would take that risk? I could be totally wrong though.

We also can't forget that the riders still pay an entry fee. Everyone who has ever had an industry pass knows they aren't free either. They have huge title sponsors. These are all substantial revenue streams.

40k attendance X average ticket price of $40.00 = $1.6M + sponsors

And we know for sure they never get a cut of concessions or parking? Or do different promoters/venues have different deals?

All that being said I appreciate Feld and the effort it takes to run such a huge production. Even on Pulp last night they were trying to come up with ideas to increase the purse. I think JT said like a pass the hat type idea.

Dtat720 wrote:

Venue leasing, concessions and parking are 99.9% exclusive to venue owner. Tickets are split, usually 70-30'to promoter, always negotiated out though. Stadium leasing isnt as expensive...

Venue leasing, concessions and parking are 99.9% exclusive to venue owner. Tickets are split, usually 70-30'to promoter, always negotiated out though. Stadium leasing isnt as expensive as suggested, it isnt 7 figures. Low 6 figure for something like SX. Stadium owners would rather make a little money on an off weekend vs losing money. 300k Total profit to lease for an sx event is better than paying security to watch an empty parking lot, besides, Feld has to pay the venue staff for the event. When they lease, they assume payroll for the time they are in the facility.