1989 ATK 406 Restoration

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Here are a few shots of me racing my 89, and 90 406's. Really liked those bikes!
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Try- red frame, blue seat, white ATK tank graphic with blue outline, and the front fender sticker.
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Nice shots Jeffro! And Matt I was going to try and use the stock seat cover....but, now you've got the gears turning.

Made some progress on the pegs tonight. I traced the old peg flange and bolt holes to a sheet of mild steel. Here I used a block of wood as a straight edge to see how to orient the peg mount to the flange. The horizonal plain of the peg isnt the same as the bolt holes...its a bit off.



Once I got it located where I wanted, I tacked it  in place. It was a little tricky as the pegs and mounts are quite a bit bigger than the old stuff. I also took the opportunity to lower the pegs.



Then I welded each side and drilled some locating holes before I lost my marks. I'm going to have to grind a bit and reweld in order to fit a bolt in there (most likely an allen).



Here it is bolted to the frame. I did a few pics of the new and old to get a final measurement of how much lower. Looks like it is about 1 inch lower than stock. Now I just have to trim it out.





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I personally think the red framed bike looks great!
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1/27/2020 12:48am Edited Date/Time 1/27/2020 1:25am
Perhaps more unwanted advice:

You've already drilled the mount holes, but, hey, looks like you've plenty of plate left, and you can release the welds, so, you might consider this:

Make a sub-plate that you can bolt to the existing frame mount, with counter sunk head bolts, flush with the surface of the plate.

You then could bolt your peg mount plate to that. Of course, there will be limitations to where you can bolt the plate on / the final location of the actual pegs, with the bolt heads underneath.

ATK pegs have always seemed to be a bit further forward than other bikes, to me. A bit reminiscent of CCMs with the pegs bolted to the cases - though nowhere near as extreme as those. I grew up with CCMs, and they felt like highway pegs to a young bloke used to 70s model Japanese 125s.

So, the (probable) need for the peg to be moved a bit rearward to clear the sub plate mount bolts may not have them too far back? You're a Big Bloke, so going a bit more rearward with the pegs might suit your abnormally / mutantly long legs, and, perhaps you've got bloody big feet, too, so you may not have to change the length of the brake and gear lever.

On the other hand, you might be a weirdo , and want the pegs further forward, so sub-plates could enable you to go the 'highway peg' route...........Whistling Heck, as my knees lose more and more "bendiness", I might be going the 'highway peg' route, myself.

From your clever picturing of the difference in height between std and your 'in construction' set up, ATKs' welded in peg plate mounts have a bit of 'stand off' from the frame, giving you the potential to use a lock nut ( you can buy thinner than standard nuts) As Well As Thread in the sub-plate for mount bolts.

And, a bit of extra outwards mounting from 2 plates, will also give your big feet a bit more room.

These are just thoughts, and, you would have more ease in trying different peg heights with a sub-plate mount system.
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That's good advise, but my real problem is I have hardly ridden the bike, so I honestly don't know what is going to be comfortable. As much as I would like to powdercoat these, I probably should just spray paint them as its very likely I'll be chopping on them to make adjustments later.

I did feel like the pegs were a bit forward from the pictures, but then again I figured Horst knew what he was doing with the frame geometry and I didn't want to deviate a whole lot.
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Yes, the old 'rattle can' finish is The Go when you are experimenting. And just a 'dusting' will do.

I reach for "Ford Blaze Blue" for nearly every prototype / personal Bicycle frame I make.

I started with that in the 70s, when I was just looking to control rusting over a wet weekend on a new frame, with a can of that the only paint within cooee, and it's become a bit of an ongoing thing / joke over the decades.

I'm / I've stuck with it. It's just one of those things - if I turn up on a ride with a new frame with anything other than an amateurish FBB spray can job, my riders / mates think the World's about to end. The bloke I've got to do a whole lot of riding (as, I'm pretty much limited to DH shuttle runs with my leg / hand / back problems - and, right now, No real riding for a fair few months with ongoing operations) with a prototype Pinion Gearbox frame, is in for a shock when he gets to it, he's unaware of of the unspoken Bear Bikes rules..........Woohoo
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Micahdogg wrote:
That's good advise, but my real problem is I have hardly ridden the bike, so I honestly don't know what is going to be comfortable. As...
That's good advise, but my real problem is I have hardly ridden the bike, so I honestly don't know what is going to be comfortable. As much as I would like to powdercoat these, I probably should just spray paint them as its very likely I'll be chopping on them to make adjustments later.

I did feel like the pegs were a bit forward from the pictures, but then again I figured Horst knew what he was doing with the frame geometry and I didn't want to deviate a whole lot.
I really liked the ergonomics on my ATKs. They just fit me well. Here's my '89 406.



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Nice shots K0. Im digging the jersey!

I got the footpegs pretty much finished. They turned out about as good as I was hoping for. I've just got to fit some hardware and grind out a bit of the weld to make sure the allen head bolts fit.





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It's funny / frightening to compare 'old school' footpegs to current, not particularly wide, or long , footpegs, isn't it?

How we rode with those things, and others far, far worse, is a wonder. Blink

How much lower / back / forward did you end up going?
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Yeah, I must be a foot peg diva now in my old age because I considered the stock stuff unridable. Smile

I haven't done a final measure yet, but I think they are going to be almost 1 inch lower. I'm going to have to come up with a skid plate now because the peg mounts are definitely going to catch on stuff. I was thinking of a plastic acerbis type skid plate that easily pops in and out, but now is the time to weld in some mounts for an aluminum plate if that's the route I end up going.
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Yes - Weld mounts on Now , before you make your final decision on painting.

I should take the down time with my next operation to pull apart my CRE and weld some mounts in, as it's such a pain in the butt to take my bash plate on and off with my 'ingenious' (as in, bloody ridiculous) clamping system I did when I made the plate. I was too clever by half when I did it, but didn't want to scorch the original paint. As it needs a frame paint refresh after all these years, I need to do it in one.

An inch is a massive difference. Heck, even the usual 5 to 10mm change with some aftermarket pegs, as little as it sounds, is quite noticeable. Just watch you toes / feet the first few rides when you get it all done. Mine are so low, to accommodate my non bendy knees, that I have to consciously get the balls of my feet on the pegs in G outs etc.
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Brings back a lot off memories causing when I stalled it having to jump off to start it since it was backwards opposite side the rear disc brake setup by the frame took a little getting used two but if you rode a bunch off open bikes it feels like,a 250
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Slow progress, but here is an update:

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Working on a skid plate. I ordered a sheet of 18x10 3/16 aluminum. Here is the cardboard template for it


I also shaved about 3/8 inch off of the bottom of the footpeg mounts. I'm going to use a 1/8 inch strap of aluminum to space my skid plate down from the lower frame rail. You can see Ive got a scrap under the cardboard for test fit. This should get me some protection that will let me glide over logs and not auger my lowboy footpegs into the thing.

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Started working on the number plates. The fossilized decals protected the surface so they will just needed superficial sanding. Here is one of them after a little razor blading to clean up the scuffs and 800 grit. Ill post some finish sanding and polishing later





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Not my finest work, but it will get another white number plate decal and its good enough for a rider.
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The sanding off 30 years of old grime is the worst. well done, sir
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Got my $30 sheet of aluminum and trimmed it out yesterday. Its 3/16 thick and as you can see, won't be enough on its own to clear the peg mounts. I'll have to do a little spacing and also go back and trim the peg mounts a little more, but I'm getting there.

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I made some spacers and tried to use alumiweld rods to weld them to the skid plate. Unfortunately I was having no luck so I had to bust out the spool gun. This is my second time ever using it and it went about as I expected. It welds, but with a typical MIG it just throws aluminum and massive heat and whatever you are working on. It'll do.

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Micahdogg wrote:
Nice shots K0. Im digging the jersey! I got the footpegs pretty much finished. They turned out about as good as I was hoping for. I've...
Nice shots K0. Im digging the jersey!

I got the footpegs pretty much finished. They turned out about as good as I was hoping for. I've just got to fit some hardware and grind out a bit of the weld to make sure the allen head bolts fit.





Those old school Craftman screwdrivers are the shit. I have a few leftovers from my pops. Nice.
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Finally got the skidplate done.

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Finally got the skidplate done. [img]https://i.imgur.com/es5qzdX.jpg[/img]
Finally got the skidplate done.

Looks great
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So, did you weld on tabs to the frame for the front Plate mounting points, or, have some 'hooks' to use.

The back mounts, look to be in the cross member - were they already there or did you put them in?

While you've got it like that, it might be wise to do a 'wing' on the bash plate to protect the Brake Lever and the rod - they are pretty exposed to being hit - remember how the pipe was hammered into it all?

And, even a little 'wing' to protect the clutch cover would be good, while you've got the frame loose. It's not hard, unless you're in the back of woop woop, to find a TIG welder to do a few inches of bead, if you bring in the bits, pre - done to him or her..

All looking good!

I do bash plates for the AFs I do for mates, but only while I've got the frame, bare. It makes it far easier for me, not really having the equipment for large plate bending and forming.

Like you, I start with this:


I make a whole lot of pieces, and do a few meters of weld beads - hell, the AF conversion itself has far less centimeters of weld, even with my far more thorough way of doing the conversion:



And then, a lot of linishing, before the final finish :



That Plate, is a Rock Killer Evil
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Man your skid plates look sweet! I only really did this because my peg mounts were so low. For now I'll resist doing wings but if I get into trouble I may need to add some sections.

Oh, as for the mounts, I welded the steel lugs to the frame for a nice solid connection
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3/9/2020 7:59am Edited Date/Time 3/9/2020 8:00am
That plate, I pictured, is somewhat ridiculous.

I think one of the main beauties of the 406, is there is so little hanging outside of the frame, and, elsewhere, that they are nigh on indestructible. Your plate, is appropriate for purpose, and, well done.

That one I put up, is for The Apocalypse.
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I took the frame (red), swingarm (white) and shock spring (blue) in to the powdercoater last week. I'm looking forward to getting that stuff back so I can start to reassemble some items.

I started on the shock rebuild too. This is a WP 4681 Super-Adjuster. Kelvin at Cycle Shed Racing sure knows his way around them and gave me some invaluable advice. Parts are going to be about $125 minus fluid which I'm not sure what I'll be using yet.

I got my angle grinder out today in order to start chopping some metal to make a spanner wrench for two of the fittings on the shock. As I was changing discs I noticed the tool was really similar to what I needed, so I modified that instead.



Here is a vid of some progress.
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You're probably getting sick of my posts:

Clever Tool making!

I like the screw adjuster / setter you've done with the Pin Spanner. .

You do / make what you have to.

I, inevitably, make my own suspension tools. I recently (tried) to organize my Suspension tools - I've been doing Suspension since the 70s - and it was stunning to see how many 'specials' I've done. So, Very, Many. Thankfully, nearly all I had the sense to label. Some, well, WTH were they for??????...... I guess I'll never know.

For anyone else being confronted by a tight threaded seal head, etc, one pretty effective way of preventing tool slippage is just compressing the shock,holding it down, with, perhaps an opened / cut large washer or plate, to hold the tool in the pin holes.

The old Steel bodies of WP shocks is something I quite like. Much, much less prone to wear : weight or lesser heat shedding be damned.

You may be able to remove the compression adjuster as a bleed point - I can't recall, it's quite a few years since I worked on old WPs.

Gas / Oil Separator Piston Positioning :

As std, on a lot of shocks the piston setting is very, very close to 'topping out', against the reservoir holder - with the shock extended. I have always thoroughly checked the oil / piston displacement on full compression on any shock I do, at first. As, I tend to go for a larger oil volume than std, if possible - and, it is mostly, eminently possible.Gas / Oil separator Pistons, especially on older shocks with relatively small diameter shafts, and / or, with relatively short travel in themselves, like your ATK fitment one, don't move a huge amount. And, you've got quite a large reservoir on it, so a few extra milliliters of oil, is easily accommodated. I'll take (just) a bit more oil, over a a bit more Nitrogen, nearly every time, if I can. It, the Oil, is what is doing the harder job.

It would be wise to fully undo the body from the body eye now, since it came loose. The sealing O'ring may be pinched / or, simply, after so many years in-situ, be compressed to a shape, that is now no longer matching up with what it was against. A new O ring is wise to fit, and, a (just) bit of loctite, to back up the lock rings, is a good thing, too.

I'm enjoying your work.

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I always welcome your comments so no worries on too much advice.

I was thinking the same thing about the shock body. I ran into an issue trying to grip the housing though. I finally came up with something...an old early 90's YZ triple clamp was close to fitting. A few shims later and it grips pretty damn good. Too good for my wheel stand to hold so Ill have to go to the detached shop to mount it in the bench vice.

For some reason I hate using power tools and bench vices, but every once in awhile I have to give in.



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I took your advice and pulled the compression valve. I was hesitant since Kelvin made it sound like it could be a can of worms, but I didnt see anything too difficult. I'll remove this to pull any excess fluid after the rebuild...and use it to help bleed any air.





Also got the shock body removed. The old YZ triple clamp worked great. There is a bunch of cruddy sealant to clean but the oring looks tiptop.

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