First enduro race, any advice? (Update)

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Spergen wrote:
What race are you doing? I'm not too far from nottingham (Lincoln) and have raced enduro (hare & hounds) for a good few years now. I...
What race are you doing? I'm not too far from nottingham (Lincoln) and have raced enduro (hare & hounds) for a good few years now. I might even be doing the same race!
It’s the first round of the LEC series, I’m guessing that’s where you ride as it’s all based around Lincoln? I’m planning on doing the whole series apart from the second round as we’re on holiday. I’ve only just applied for my licence so don’t know my number yet. What class do you ride? I’ll have to come and say hello when I’ve stopped gasping for air 😄
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I rode "cross country" for several years. Different than enduro, I know.
But at first blush, you want to just haul ass.
Just chill for awhile and ride as fast as you are comfortable. Push if you need to, but just ride comfortably fast and you will find out where you are.
Don't try to win your first race.
Consistency wins.
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Tape your hands and your nipples or they will be bleeding by tHe end.
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1/21/2020 8:44am Edited Date/Time 1/21/2020 8:46am
A lot more seat time. Consider wearing mtb padded bike shorts underneath to help prevent monkey butt. Put a picture of Larry Enticer on your bars so when your in a situation you can ask "What would Larry do?"

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Teejay wrote:
Some awesome advice on here! I’d never even thought of baby powder and padded shorts for riding in I’ll put that on my list. Noted on...
Some awesome advice on here! I’d never even thought of baby powder and padded shorts for riding in I’ll put that on my list. Noted on the pre hydration as well.
My bike is a Bone stock 2016 crf 250 so standard size tank. I’ve got some handguards so will put them on.
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Don't buy a Camelpack...that brand...they fight to close riding areas (at least in America)...buy any other brand of hydration pack BUT camel pack.

For hydration...the week before the race...I'll start drinking 1 gallon of water/day. The day before the race, I'll mix in a liter of pedialite...then try and drink another liter of pedialite the day of the race. while drinking from a hydration pack throughout the race.

Marathoners/hard core cyclists say to time your meals so your last meal is 2 hours before the start of the race...that doesn't work for me...I eat two hours before the race, then again right before I head to the line (Usually a turkey sandwich, a banana, and a power bar).

Lots of guys use those "Gu" packets...I prefer Gatorade Prime Energy Chews...the Gu packets are disgusting, and trying to take one at a pit stop is gross...but the Gatorade Prime Energy Chews...two before heading to the line, one at each pit stop if you stop more than once...two if I only stop once.

I don't carry tools during a race...thats what sweepers are for...if I break down, I'll take the DNF. (trail riding...I always bring tools).

If you do break down, you could be sitting there for a while (I broke down once 15 miles into a desert hare scramble, and had to sit there for 6 hours before someone could come an get me)...so I always pack some food (some candy, and a few power/protein bars, some jerky), an emergency blanket (one of the foil ones), a rain poncho, a lighter and some fire starting material-dryer lint, and some paper (if its cold). Just to make sure I don't freeze or starve on the trail.
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Tape your hands and your nipples or they will be bleeding by tHe end.
Lol...I had forgotten that. Buy the 2" or 3" square plasters (bandaids) for your nipples. This isn't a joke.

I don't use knee braces but I do wear skateboard knee pads. I'm 6'3" so my inner knee area gets shredded by the radiator shrouds...the pads prevent this...also, when your knee smacks a tree the hard plastic guard really helps.

As others mentioned, a good chest/back armor is a must have for me.

If you don't have tear offs/roll off...get them and have spare goggles at your pit. If it's muddy...spare gloves won't go amiss.
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1/21/2020 4:06pm
Teejay wrote:
It’s the first round of the LEC series, I’m guessing that’s where you ride as it’s all based around Lincoln? I’m planning on doing the whole...
It’s the first round of the LEC series, I’m guessing that’s where you ride as it’s all based around Lincoln? I’m planning on doing the whole series apart from the second round as we’re on holiday. I’ve only just applied for my licence so don’t know my number yet. What class do you ride? I’ll have to come and say hello when I’ve stopped gasping for air 😄
Guess I'll see you there 😁 first race at Ashby is mostly deep sand, my favourite one of the year, lucky for me we go there twice. it's a good friendly club. A couple of the tracks are poo and not worth doing but it's a very good introduction club. Send me a pm with your mobile if you want and I can advise? Possibly meet up for a practice day? Up to you. I'm in the sportsman class, if you can literally ride a bike I would give begginer a mis
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1/21/2020 4:14pm Edited Date/Time 1/21/2020 4:17pm
Tape your hands and your nipples or they will be bleeding by tHe end.
plowboy wrote:
Lol...I had forgotten that. Buy the 2" or 3" square plasters (bandaids) for your nipples. This isn't a joke. I don't use knee braces but I...
Lol...I had forgotten that. Buy the 2" or 3" square plasters (bandaids) for your nipples. This isn't a joke.

I don't use knee braces but I do wear skateboard knee pads. I'm 6'3" so my inner knee area gets shredded by the radiator shrouds...the pads prevent this...also, when your knee smacks a tree the hard plastic guard really helps.

As others mentioned, a good chest/back armor is a must have for me.

If you don't have tear offs/roll off...get them and have spare goggles at your pit. If it's muddy...spare gloves won't go amiss.
I've been racing hare scrambles/hare and hounds/enduro's for over 10 years (and moto before that)...and I've never had my nipples come even close to bleeding.

I don't wear knee braces either...but there are a ton of knee/shin guards/pads on the market. Fox Titan Pro's are one of my favorites.

https://www.foxracing.com/titan-pro-knee%2Fshin-guard/04266.html?dwvar_…

(The shin guards actually make the boots fit right, since they go down in the boots...and the boots hold them in place so they don't move around).

When it comes to chest/back and elbow armor...The Fox Titan Sport Jacket is my go too...I like that the elbow pads are attached to the jacket...otherwise they end up sliding down my arms when I ride.

https://www.foxracing.com/titan-sport-jacket/24018.html?dwvar_24018_col…

(No I don't work for Fox-nor and I sponsored by them...and no my handle isn't because of those. Smile lol I've tried a lot and those are my favorites...and I pay full price for them.)

On the tear offs...makes sure tear offs are allowed per the club/sanctioning body...some don't allow them (in which case you'd have to use roll offs).
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Motodave15 wrote:
Are there any enduro's in cali? Im 31 and seriously want to give it a shot.. either a grandprix or or something where im on the...
Are there any enduro's in cali? Im 31 and seriously want to give it a shot.. either a grandprix or or something where im on the bike for awhile
AMA District 37 has a great off road series....Big 6 GP's...most of National Hare and Hounds are in Southern California...Several Worcs races (GP Format)...I can't remember the enduro (sprint enduro, I think) series that has some rounds out there.

SO much off road racing in California...pick your format: GP, Hare Scramble, Hare and Hound, Enduro, Sprint Enduro...You're lucky! Here in Utah we have one state series (USRA) and a couple National Hare and Hounds, and the occasional WORC's race...MRAN (Nevada), and SIDRA (Idaho) have some races close...but nothing like what you've got in California.
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1/21/2020 5:14pm
Treat your first race like a trail ride so you at least finish. Leading up to the race, minimize the amount of times you stop while trail riding to build up your endurance. Clock yourself and try to ride non-stop for a hour or more.
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1/21/2020 6:47pm
Motodave15 wrote:
Are there any enduro's in cali? Im 31 and seriously want to give it a shot.. either a grandprix or or something where im on the...
Are there any enduro's in cali? Im 31 and seriously want to give it a shot.. either a grandprix or or something where im on the bike for awhile
Titan1 wrote:
AMA District 37 has a great off road series....Big 6 GP's...most of National Hare and Hounds are in Southern California...Several Worcs races (GP Format)...I can't remember...
AMA District 37 has a great off road series....Big 6 GP's...most of National Hare and Hounds are in Southern California...Several Worcs races (GP Format)...I can't remember the enduro (sprint enduro, I think) series that has some rounds out there.

SO much off road racing in California...pick your format: GP, Hare Scramble, Hare and Hound, Enduro, Sprint Enduro...You're lucky! Here in Utah we have one state series (USRA) and a couple National Hare and Hounds, and the occasional WORC's race...MRAN (Nevada), and SIDRA (Idaho) have some races close...but nothing like what you've got in California.
Whoa thankyou for that information. Im going to ask your honest opinion though. Do you think off road racing is harder on your bike than MX?

My buddy keeps telling me, that you have a higher chance of destroying cases and or putting holes in your radiator, but you can do the same sorts of things on a mx track as well.
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1/21/2020 6:54pm Edited Date/Time 1/21/2020 6:56pm
Motodave15 wrote:
Are there any enduro's in cali? Im 31 and seriously want to give it a shot.. either a grandprix or or something where im on the...
Are there any enduro's in cali? Im 31 and seriously want to give it a shot.. either a grandprix or or something where im on the bike for awhile
Titan1 wrote:
AMA District 37 has a great off road series....Big 6 GP's...most of National Hare and Hounds are in Southern California...Several Worcs races (GP Format)...I can't remember...
AMA District 37 has a great off road series....Big 6 GP's...most of National Hare and Hounds are in Southern California...Several Worcs races (GP Format)...I can't remember the enduro (sprint enduro, I think) series that has some rounds out there.

SO much off road racing in California...pick your format: GP, Hare Scramble, Hare and Hound, Enduro, Sprint Enduro...You're lucky! Here in Utah we have one state series (USRA) and a couple National Hare and Hounds, and the occasional WORC's race...MRAN (Nevada), and SIDRA (Idaho) have some races close...but nothing like what you've got in California.
Motodave15 wrote:
Whoa thankyou for that information. Im going to ask your honest opinion though. Do you think off road racing is harder on your bike than MX...
Whoa thankyou for that information. Im going to ask your honest opinion though. Do you think off road racing is harder on your bike than MX?

My buddy keeps telling me, that you have a higher chance of destroying cases and or putting holes in your radiator, but you can do the same sorts of things on a mx track as well.
I’m going to say it’s a different kind of hard on your bike...assuming you aren’t a pro level rider and are on a 450...it might be easier on your piston and rings and maybe your clutch than MX (since you won’t be revving it out as much)...but it can trash your plastics and you definitely run a much higher chance of damaging cases, and bending wheels, and ripping off a chain guide or bending a rotor and sprocket, or bending a foot peg that kind of thing.

If that makes sense?
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1/21/2020 7:03pm Edited Date/Time 1/21/2020 7:05pm
I started out racing cross-country, then went to MX when college and other time demands would not allow me to keep up with bike repair/maintenance. So ya, at least here where I live, it's harder on your machine. Think of it this way- 3 hours of grinding through rocks and mud or 15-20 minutes of blasting loam and maybe the occasional mud race...
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Id be interested to hear more about what everyone eats on race day. I’m a faster A rider but I seem to have trouble with diet on race day. I get nervous which causes me to eat too much because I worry that I won’t have enough energy. Then during the race occasionally my stomach cramps up.
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1/21/2020 10:41pm
ktmdan wrote:
Id be interested to hear more about what everyone eats on race day. I’m a faster A rider but I seem to have trouble with diet...
Id be interested to hear more about what everyone eats on race day. I’m a faster A rider but I seem to have trouble with diet on race day. I get nervous which causes me to eat too much because I worry that I won’t have enough energy. Then during the race occasionally my stomach cramps up.
Im far from an expert on diet and nutrition...and I’m a mid pack Vet A guy... and think everyone is a little different...but here is what works for me...

I like a big breakfast on race day with as many calories as I can get...eggs, pancakes, bacon, potatoes, cheese (everything) I try to time that about four hours before the race. Two hours later I’ll have a snack (a banana and usually a power bar Or protein bar something like that) then right before I head to the line I’ll eat a Turkey and cheese sandwich a banana and another power bar/protein bar. I know that if I get hungry during a race I’m toast and I’ll totally bonk (which is why I eat right before going to the line)...

My races usually start at noon...so big breakfast around 8:00...snack around 10...lunch right before I go to the line.

That doesn’t work for some people though.

Also, as for having enough energy...what you eat in the days leading up to race day are also important-carb loading. Google some pre-marathon meal plans and use some trial and error and see what works for your body. I’ve found that if I change up my diet to much, I don’t do as well...so I tend to just eat the same things I usually do...but I do it a little more structured. Sometimes I’ll skip breakfast...I don’t do that on a race week.. I’ll maybe switch it up a little and purposefully eat more carbs. There is a science to pre race diet planning...and I’m not a scientist though, but so far this is what works for me.

I know a lot of fast guys that eat a big spaghetti dinner the night before...oatmeal for breakfast...snack on the way to the line and they are good to go. That doesn’t work for me.

Trial and error...and stick with what works for you.
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1/21/2020 11:19pm
Teejay wrote:
I’m sorry for the confusion, over here enduros seem to be what is known as in America as a hare scramble 🤦🏻‍♂️ I looked at the...
I’m sorry for the confusion, over here enduros seem to be what is known as in America as a hare scramble 🤦🏻‍♂️ I looked at the links garagedog posted and realised it was slightly different to what I am doing.

Thanks for the replies though, some good advice in there. What should I be looking at to set my suspension up like, just softer all round? I’ve bought a camelback and will be trying it out this week. Got 4-5 enduro loop practice days before the first race so can try and simulate the day. Got to remember to pace myself and be in it for the long game.

I know it probably sounds stupid but what food are you guys taking for the day?
I rode 3 hour Hare & Hounds in the UK for about 3 decades, so here are my tips:

Bark Busters (not flimsy MX style handguards) are a must.

I always cut an inch off each end of my bars, it makes up for the additional width that Bank Busters give them and really helps dodging trees.

Experiment with your Camelback A LOT before you race with one. In the end I didn't bother faffing around with one and just hydrated a lot before & after.

Get a large capacity gas tank which saves the need to refuel. I hate stopping and having to get going again. I ran an IMS on my EXC 200 and it did me for the entire race.

If you suffer from monkey butt or blisters get an anti chafing gel - it works.

Pack a bum bag with fresh gloves and goggles loaded with tear offs.

I always ran a flywheel weight to help prevent stalling in tight stuff.

Even with a long 5 mile lap you'll get lapped a lot. Don't get disheartened. Like someone else said, treat it like a trail ride and not a race. It's always tempting to try and pass the guy in front but I would experiment following someone who's pace your comfortable with.

You'll feel like you've done 10 rounds with Mike Tyson the next morning and the day after that can be even worse but the satisfaction you get from just finishing makes it all worth it.

Have fun coz that's what it's all about.





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Motodave15 wrote:
Whoa thankyou for that information. Im going to ask your honest opinion though. Do you think off road racing is harder on your bike than MX...
Whoa thankyou for that information. Im going to ask your honest opinion though. Do you think off road racing is harder on your bike than MX?

My buddy keeps telling me, that you have a higher chance of destroying cases and or putting holes in your radiator, but you can do the same sorts of things on a mx track as well.
Two things that you really have to worry about if it's a mud race your radiators clogging and your bike boiling all the water out. And if it's dry you have to worry about dust blocking your air cleaner which can lead to the bike pulling dirty air from around the seal.
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Ill just say that I agree with the nipple tape. Maybe not the same for everyone but Ive actually had my nipples bleeding after a hare scramble and I tape every time now.
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ktmdan wrote:
Id be interested to hear more about what everyone eats on race day. I’m a faster A rider but I seem to have trouble with diet...
Id be interested to hear more about what everyone eats on race day. I’m a faster A rider but I seem to have trouble with diet on race day. I get nervous which causes me to eat too much because I worry that I won’t have enough energy. Then during the race occasionally my stomach cramps up.
Titan1 wrote:
Im far from an expert on diet and nutrition...and I’m a mid pack Vet A guy... and think everyone is a little different...but here is what...
Im far from an expert on diet and nutrition...and I’m a mid pack Vet A guy... and think everyone is a little different...but here is what works for me...

I like a big breakfast on race day with as many calories as I can get...eggs, pancakes, bacon, potatoes, cheese (everything) I try to time that about four hours before the race. Two hours later I’ll have a snack (a banana and usually a power bar Or protein bar something like that) then right before I head to the line I’ll eat a Turkey and cheese sandwich a banana and another power bar/protein bar. I know that if I get hungry during a race I’m toast and I’ll totally bonk (which is why I eat right before going to the line)...

My races usually start at noon...so big breakfast around 8:00...snack around 10...lunch right before I go to the line.

That doesn’t work for some people though.

Also, as for having enough energy...what you eat in the days leading up to race day are also important-carb loading. Google some pre-marathon meal plans and use some trial and error and see what works for your body. I’ve found that if I change up my diet to much, I don’t do as well...so I tend to just eat the same things I usually do...but I do it a little more structured. Sometimes I’ll skip breakfast...I don’t do that on a race week.. I’ll maybe switch it up a little and purposefully eat more carbs. There is a science to pre race diet planning...and I’m not a scientist though, but so far this is what works for me.

I know a lot of fast guys that eat a big spaghetti dinner the night before...oatmeal for breakfast...snack on the way to the line and they are good to go. That doesn’t work for me.

Trial and error...and stick with what works for you.
You would be much better off getting your carbs from better sources other than pasta. (Vegetables, fruits, nuts and seeds)
What has worked for me is a big bowl of oatmeal in the morning with a pile of fruit. I snack on nuts, seeds and fruits throughout the day before my race and make sure to stay well hydrated. Whether it is an enduro that starts at 9am and lasts tile 2 or 3, or just a grandprix that starts at 11 and is over by 12:30 its what works well for me.
Quality of food is more important than amount of food.
Another way to help your body be more efficient is to start fasting. Fasting will help get your body use to switching in and out of ketosis so your body burns glycogen and fat for energy rather than relying on a food source for energy. Historically we are not wired to eat 3 square meals a day. I started fasting 16 hours a day about 3 months ago with a few 24hr fasts in here and there and i can say i feel like i have more energy, sleep better, the gym routine seems to be more effective and i generally get through the day better. This is of course not something you would want to do the day of the race but it is something a lot of top teir elite athletes use. I will usually do a workout on saturday 15 or 16 hours after i last ate.
This is all of course my opinion in what i have found works well for me. Everyone is different, but this is some more ideas for you to try. But with doing these things i have often found myself being the guy that says "the race is already over?" Just some ideas for ya to do your own research on.
To the OP: If youre use to MX dial it back about 50% from what you are use to. I promise it is a long race, people will screw up, people will get tired, people will go too hard too early and you will be able to take advantage of that. Its not until you get into the A, AA levels of racing that you have to really be pushing yourself for the majority of the race. Ive had moto guys try to cross over only to blow their wad 30 minutes in and not be able to finish, but they sure looked fast for the first 20.....It doesnt matter how you start it matters how you finish. I have won more races being last off the line than i have being first....
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Hydrate heavily the full week prior. Run hand guards. If you are not running mousses, run heavy duty tubes, lots of baby powder and a couple...
Hydrate heavily the full week prior. Run hand guards. If you are not running mousses, run
heavy duty tubes, lots of baby powder and a couple extra PSI to try and prevent flats.

Treat your first one as a learning race - just figuring it out, staying in till the finish.
Don't crash and have a good time. They are so fun!!!! Push hard your next event.

Best thing NOT to do: Do not get discouraged by how fugging fast those "trail riders"
go for an entire three hours! Laughing Laughing Laughing
I always figured I would try a Hare Scramble once I got older because it was a mellower form of racing.

Holy crap was I wrong, those guys are gnarly.
1/22/2020 8:09am
ktmdan wrote:
Id be interested to hear more about what everyone eats on race day. I’m a faster A rider but I seem to have trouble with diet...
Id be interested to hear more about what everyone eats on race day. I’m a faster A rider but I seem to have trouble with diet on race day. I get nervous which causes me to eat too much because I worry that I won’t have enough energy. Then during the race occasionally my stomach cramps up.
Titan1 wrote:
Im far from an expert on diet and nutrition...and I’m a mid pack Vet A guy... and think everyone is a little different...but here is what...
Im far from an expert on diet and nutrition...and I’m a mid pack Vet A guy... and think everyone is a little different...but here is what works for me...

I like a big breakfast on race day with as many calories as I can get...eggs, pancakes, bacon, potatoes, cheese (everything) I try to time that about four hours before the race. Two hours later I’ll have a snack (a banana and usually a power bar Or protein bar something like that) then right before I head to the line I’ll eat a Turkey and cheese sandwich a banana and another power bar/protein bar. I know that if I get hungry during a race I’m toast and I’ll totally bonk (which is why I eat right before going to the line)...

My races usually start at noon...so big breakfast around 8:00...snack around 10...lunch right before I go to the line.

That doesn’t work for some people though.

Also, as for having enough energy...what you eat in the days leading up to race day are also important-carb loading. Google some pre-marathon meal plans and use some trial and error and see what works for your body. I’ve found that if I change up my diet to much, I don’t do as well...so I tend to just eat the same things I usually do...but I do it a little more structured. Sometimes I’ll skip breakfast...I don’t do that on a race week.. I’ll maybe switch it up a little and purposefully eat more carbs. There is a science to pre race diet planning...and I’m not a scientist though, but so far this is what works for me.

I know a lot of fast guys that eat a big spaghetti dinner the night before...oatmeal for breakfast...snack on the way to the line and they are good to go. That doesn’t work for me.

Trial and error...and stick with what works for you.
woodsgoon wrote:
You would be much better off getting your carbs from better sources other than pasta. (Vegetables, fruits, nuts and seeds) What has worked for me is...
You would be much better off getting your carbs from better sources other than pasta. (Vegetables, fruits, nuts and seeds)
What has worked for me is a big bowl of oatmeal in the morning with a pile of fruit. I snack on nuts, seeds and fruits throughout the day before my race and make sure to stay well hydrated. Whether it is an enduro that starts at 9am and lasts tile 2 or 3, or just a grandprix that starts at 11 and is over by 12:30 its what works well for me.
Quality of food is more important than amount of food.
Another way to help your body be more efficient is to start fasting. Fasting will help get your body use to switching in and out of ketosis so your body burns glycogen and fat for energy rather than relying on a food source for energy. Historically we are not wired to eat 3 square meals a day. I started fasting 16 hours a day about 3 months ago with a few 24hr fasts in here and there and i can say i feel like i have more energy, sleep better, the gym routine seems to be more effective and i generally get through the day better. This is of course not something you would want to do the day of the race but it is something a lot of top teir elite athletes use. I will usually do a workout on saturday 15 or 16 hours after i last ate.
This is all of course my opinion in what i have found works well for me. Everyone is different, but this is some more ideas for you to try. But with doing these things i have often found myself being the guy that says "the race is already over?" Just some ideas for ya to do your own research on.
To the OP: If youre use to MX dial it back about 50% from what you are use to. I promise it is a long race, people will screw up, people will get tired, people will go too hard too early and you will be able to take advantage of that. Its not until you get into the A, AA levels of racing that you have to really be pushing yourself for the majority of the race. Ive had moto guys try to cross over only to blow their wad 30 minutes in and not be able to finish, but they sure looked fast for the first 20.....It doesnt matter how you start it matters how you finish. I have won more races being last off the line than i have being first....
As you say, everyone's different. That kind of breakfast will leave me hungry and jittery after 3 hours. I'm pretty sure carbs spike my blood sugar and push me pretty close to a diabetic stage and I do better away from them. Plus they give me gas and a heavy bloated feeling.

I have to eat lots of fat and protein. So, for me, scrambled eggs, butter, bacon, salmon, with a little extra coconut oil is the best breakfast I've found. I can run all day long on something like that.

KTMDan is gonna have to experiment and find what works for him, I think.
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1/22/2020 8:14am Edited Date/Time 1/22/2020 8:15am
Your nipples won’t chafe if you wear a decent fitted athletic undershirt. Only time I’ve ever seen or experienced that problem is with loose fitting jerseys and/or a cotton tshirt. Loose material will rub your nipples raw after 3 hours. Under Armor or Nike make inexpensive undershirts that won’t chafe your nipples.

It doesn’t help to have bouncy mantits either.
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Hare scramble.... pace yourself!!!! Take the first lap fairly easy. Don't take the same line as everyone else because someone will fall in front of you...
Hare scramble.... pace yourself!!!! Take the first lap fairly easy. Don't take the same line as everyone else because someone will fall in front of you. I like to go into turns on the outside, look across the turn, see what's ahead, and plan my next turn and the speed in between from there.

Stand up as much as you can.

On a MX bike, gas up in an hour. Have small cans of 1 to 1.5 gallons that you can dump faster w/out trying to wrestle 4-5 gallons of fuel.

If you can, and it's dusty, change your air filter. A pit person is VERY useful.

Breathe. Relax. Use your legs. Save your arms.

As the race progresses, the traffic will usually thin out and you'll get your marks down.

Slime or similar in your tubes. A mousse is better, but I've done okay with extra heavy duty tubes and ATV sealant.

Mostly... just ride and have fun.

Here's a dusty hare-scramble from CO last summer. I didn't finish the last lap because my air filter was clogged and I didn't want to blow up my bike for nothing. Fun notes... the guy ahead of me and to the right in the previous line was riding with a prothetic attachment on his right hand- RESPECT!!! The guy to my right on my start was on a CR500.

https://youtu.be/aHtGtVllo2E

My son is faster than me, but notice how he over-cooks the first lap:

https://youtu.be/8WjpVNyz4oQ
I'm racing my second TSCEC event this coming weekend. Haven't gotten to ride much over the last couple of years so it should be fun.

My advice I haven't seen in this thread is learn to relax when you're in open sections and areas that flow more through the trees. I always seem to tighten up when things get technical and I forget to release my muscles once I get through the technical stuff.

If you get to practice the terrain before you race it, learn the sections going into the woods. It seems like people always slow down WAY more than they need to. Just because there are trees or a blind corner coming doesn't mean you have to come to a crawl to enter the sections. Some sections you do, others you can fly through.
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ktmdan wrote:
Id be interested to hear more about what everyone eats on race day. I’m a faster A rider but I seem to have trouble with diet...
Id be interested to hear more about what everyone eats on race day. I’m a faster A rider but I seem to have trouble with diet on race day. I get nervous which causes me to eat too much because I worry that I won’t have enough energy. Then during the race occasionally my stomach cramps up.
Titan1 wrote:
Im far from an expert on diet and nutrition...and I’m a mid pack Vet A guy... and think everyone is a little different...but here is what...
Im far from an expert on diet and nutrition...and I’m a mid pack Vet A guy... and think everyone is a little different...but here is what works for me...

I like a big breakfast on race day with as many calories as I can get...eggs, pancakes, bacon, potatoes, cheese (everything) I try to time that about four hours before the race. Two hours later I’ll have a snack (a banana and usually a power bar Or protein bar something like that) then right before I head to the line I’ll eat a Turkey and cheese sandwich a banana and another power bar/protein bar. I know that if I get hungry during a race I’m toast and I’ll totally bonk (which is why I eat right before going to the line)...

My races usually start at noon...so big breakfast around 8:00...snack around 10...lunch right before I go to the line.

That doesn’t work for some people though.

Also, as for having enough energy...what you eat in the days leading up to race day are also important-carb loading. Google some pre-marathon meal plans and use some trial and error and see what works for your body. I’ve found that if I change up my diet to much, I don’t do as well...so I tend to just eat the same things I usually do...but I do it a little more structured. Sometimes I’ll skip breakfast...I don’t do that on a race week.. I’ll maybe switch it up a little and purposefully eat more carbs. There is a science to pre race diet planning...and I’m not a scientist though, but so far this is what works for me.

I know a lot of fast guys that eat a big spaghetti dinner the night before...oatmeal for breakfast...snack on the way to the line and they are good to go. That doesn’t work for me.

Trial and error...and stick with what works for you.
woodsgoon wrote:
You would be much better off getting your carbs from better sources other than pasta. (Vegetables, fruits, nuts and seeds) What has worked for me is...
You would be much better off getting your carbs from better sources other than pasta. (Vegetables, fruits, nuts and seeds)
What has worked for me is a big bowl of oatmeal in the morning with a pile of fruit. I snack on nuts, seeds and fruits throughout the day before my race and make sure to stay well hydrated. Whether it is an enduro that starts at 9am and lasts tile 2 or 3, or just a grandprix that starts at 11 and is over by 12:30 its what works well for me.
Quality of food is more important than amount of food.
Another way to help your body be more efficient is to start fasting. Fasting will help get your body use to switching in and out of ketosis so your body burns glycogen and fat for energy rather than relying on a food source for energy. Historically we are not wired to eat 3 square meals a day. I started fasting 16 hours a day about 3 months ago with a few 24hr fasts in here and there and i can say i feel like i have more energy, sleep better, the gym routine seems to be more effective and i generally get through the day better. This is of course not something you would want to do the day of the race but it is something a lot of top teir elite athletes use. I will usually do a workout on saturday 15 or 16 hours after i last ate.
This is all of course my opinion in what i have found works well for me. Everyone is different, but this is some more ideas for you to try. But with doing these things i have often found myself being the guy that says "the race is already over?" Just some ideas for ya to do your own research on.
To the OP: If youre use to MX dial it back about 50% from what you are use to. I promise it is a long race, people will screw up, people will get tired, people will go too hard too early and you will be able to take advantage of that. Its not until you get into the A, AA levels of racing that you have to really be pushing yourself for the majority of the race. Ive had moto guys try to cross over only to blow their wad 30 minutes in and not be able to finish, but they sure looked fast for the first 20.....It doesnt matter how you start it matters how you finish. I have won more races being last off the line than i have being first....
Yeah, I know that "intermittent fasting" is kind of the new fad diet these days...I've got a friend of mine that is on it, and its working for him, he's down 40 pounds...and feels like he has more energy than ever.

My issue is that if I don't eat...my blood sugar drops and I can't function. I do fast once a month for 24 hours...and then on Sundays I'll usually fast half the day and then eat a big dinner. So I'm no opposed to it. I just don't see how I could function that way.
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Titan1 wrote:
Im far from an expert on diet and nutrition...and I’m a mid pack Vet A guy... and think everyone is a little different...but here is what...
Im far from an expert on diet and nutrition...and I’m a mid pack Vet A guy... and think everyone is a little different...but here is what works for me...

I like a big breakfast on race day with as many calories as I can get...eggs, pancakes, bacon, potatoes, cheese (everything) I try to time that about four hours before the race. Two hours later I’ll have a snack (a banana and usually a power bar Or protein bar something like that) then right before I head to the line I’ll eat a Turkey and cheese sandwich a banana and another power bar/protein bar. I know that if I get hungry during a race I’m toast and I’ll totally bonk (which is why I eat right before going to the line)...

My races usually start at noon...so big breakfast around 8:00...snack around 10...lunch right before I go to the line.

That doesn’t work for some people though.

Also, as for having enough energy...what you eat in the days leading up to race day are also important-carb loading. Google some pre-marathon meal plans and use some trial and error and see what works for your body. I’ve found that if I change up my diet to much, I don’t do as well...so I tend to just eat the same things I usually do...but I do it a little more structured. Sometimes I’ll skip breakfast...I don’t do that on a race week.. I’ll maybe switch it up a little and purposefully eat more carbs. There is a science to pre race diet planning...and I’m not a scientist though, but so far this is what works for me.

I know a lot of fast guys that eat a big spaghetti dinner the night before...oatmeal for breakfast...snack on the way to the line and they are good to go. That doesn’t work for me.

Trial and error...and stick with what works for you.
woodsgoon wrote:
You would be much better off getting your carbs from better sources other than pasta. (Vegetables, fruits, nuts and seeds) What has worked for me is...
You would be much better off getting your carbs from better sources other than pasta. (Vegetables, fruits, nuts and seeds)
What has worked for me is a big bowl of oatmeal in the morning with a pile of fruit. I snack on nuts, seeds and fruits throughout the day before my race and make sure to stay well hydrated. Whether it is an enduro that starts at 9am and lasts tile 2 or 3, or just a grandprix that starts at 11 and is over by 12:30 its what works well for me.
Quality of food is more important than amount of food.
Another way to help your body be more efficient is to start fasting. Fasting will help get your body use to switching in and out of ketosis so your body burns glycogen and fat for energy rather than relying on a food source for energy. Historically we are not wired to eat 3 square meals a day. I started fasting 16 hours a day about 3 months ago with a few 24hr fasts in here and there and i can say i feel like i have more energy, sleep better, the gym routine seems to be more effective and i generally get through the day better. This is of course not something you would want to do the day of the race but it is something a lot of top teir elite athletes use. I will usually do a workout on saturday 15 or 16 hours after i last ate.
This is all of course my opinion in what i have found works well for me. Everyone is different, but this is some more ideas for you to try. But with doing these things i have often found myself being the guy that says "the race is already over?" Just some ideas for ya to do your own research on.
To the OP: If youre use to MX dial it back about 50% from what you are use to. I promise it is a long race, people will screw up, people will get tired, people will go too hard too early and you will be able to take advantage of that. Its not until you get into the A, AA levels of racing that you have to really be pushing yourself for the majority of the race. Ive had moto guys try to cross over only to blow their wad 30 minutes in and not be able to finish, but they sure looked fast for the first 20.....It doesnt matter how you start it matters how you finish. I have won more races being last off the line than i have being first....
Titan1 wrote:
Yeah, I know that "intermittent fasting" is kind of the new fad diet these days...I've got a friend of mine that is on it, and its...
Yeah, I know that "intermittent fasting" is kind of the new fad diet these days...I've got a friend of mine that is on it, and its working for him, he's down 40 pounds...and feels like he has more energy than ever.

My issue is that if I don't eat...my blood sugar drops and I can't function. I do fast once a month for 24 hours...and then on Sundays I'll usually fast half the day and then eat a big dinner. So I'm no opposed to it. I just don't see how I could function that way.
I wouldnt call it a "fad" Its a technique that has been used for thousands of years both by choice and by default And is also the way our ancestors ate. They did not have access to a walmart 24/7 to get food from.
Im not saying this is your issue but i was the same way
Your body tells you its hungry to avoid burning its own reserves. If you were to start slow (say fast for 12 hours) and work your way up to a 16 or 18 hour fast daily, most of those issues should resolve themselves. I had shakes, light headedness, low blood sugar and all for the first few days/ week. After my body got use to finding its own source of energy instead of relying on me to feed it every time it wanted it i quit having those issues. You just have to retrain your body. At least that is how it worked for me. I went straight to a 16/8 schedule and toughed it out. It sucked but it was worth it. My sister inlaw said the same things you have, a week into committing to it those issues were gone.
A guy once water fasted for over 300 days....
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woodsgoon wrote:
You would be much better off getting your carbs from better sources other than pasta. (Vegetables, fruits, nuts and seeds) What has worked for me is...
You would be much better off getting your carbs from better sources other than pasta. (Vegetables, fruits, nuts and seeds)
What has worked for me is a big bowl of oatmeal in the morning with a pile of fruit. I snack on nuts, seeds and fruits throughout the day before my race and make sure to stay well hydrated. Whether it is an enduro that starts at 9am and lasts tile 2 or 3, or just a grandprix that starts at 11 and is over by 12:30 its what works well for me.
Quality of food is more important than amount of food.
Another way to help your body be more efficient is to start fasting. Fasting will help get your body use to switching in and out of ketosis so your body burns glycogen and fat for energy rather than relying on a food source for energy. Historically we are not wired to eat 3 square meals a day. I started fasting 16 hours a day about 3 months ago with a few 24hr fasts in here and there and i can say i feel like i have more energy, sleep better, the gym routine seems to be more effective and i generally get through the day better. This is of course not something you would want to do the day of the race but it is something a lot of top teir elite athletes use. I will usually do a workout on saturday 15 or 16 hours after i last ate.
This is all of course my opinion in what i have found works well for me. Everyone is different, but this is some more ideas for you to try. But with doing these things i have often found myself being the guy that says "the race is already over?" Just some ideas for ya to do your own research on.
To the OP: If youre use to MX dial it back about 50% from what you are use to. I promise it is a long race, people will screw up, people will get tired, people will go too hard too early and you will be able to take advantage of that. Its not until you get into the A, AA levels of racing that you have to really be pushing yourself for the majority of the race. Ive had moto guys try to cross over only to blow their wad 30 minutes in and not be able to finish, but they sure looked fast for the first 20.....It doesnt matter how you start it matters how you finish. I have won more races being last off the line than i have being first....
Titan1 wrote:
Yeah, I know that "intermittent fasting" is kind of the new fad diet these days...I've got a friend of mine that is on it, and its...
Yeah, I know that "intermittent fasting" is kind of the new fad diet these days...I've got a friend of mine that is on it, and its working for him, he's down 40 pounds...and feels like he has more energy than ever.

My issue is that if I don't eat...my blood sugar drops and I can't function. I do fast once a month for 24 hours...and then on Sundays I'll usually fast half the day and then eat a big dinner. So I'm no opposed to it. I just don't see how I could function that way.
woodsgoon wrote:
I wouldnt call it a "fad" Its a technique that has been used for thousands of years both by choice and by default And is also...
I wouldnt call it a "fad" Its a technique that has been used for thousands of years both by choice and by default And is also the way our ancestors ate. They did not have access to a walmart 24/7 to get food from.
Im not saying this is your issue but i was the same way
Your body tells you its hungry to avoid burning its own reserves. If you were to start slow (say fast for 12 hours) and work your way up to a 16 or 18 hour fast daily, most of those issues should resolve themselves. I had shakes, light headedness, low blood sugar and all for the first few days/ week. After my body got use to finding its own source of energy instead of relying on me to feed it every time it wanted it i quit having those issues. You just have to retrain your body. At least that is how it worked for me. I went straight to a 16/8 schedule and toughed it out. It sucked but it was worth it. My sister inlaw said the same things you have, a week into committing to it those issues were gone.
A guy once water fasted for over 300 days....
I'm not trying to dismiss what you're doing, and I'm glad its working for you.

But I've got to ask...what else did you change when you started this a few months ago?

So many people get on a special diet of some sort (Keto, Vegan, Intermittent fasting, whatever)...and completely change what they eat, how often and how long they exercise, or what type of exercising they do, their sleep habits, etc. and then claim it was the diet that is making all the difference in the world (they have more energy, losing weight, etc). When if they'd of just ate healthier, exercised more, exercised more effectively, got more sleep, etc they'd of gotten the same results without the hard core/extreme diet. (I'm just saying too many things seem to change when people start a new diet that its impossible to nail down which variable(s) is the cause of the positive health benefits...and the default is always the diet)

I'm sure there are exceptions...maybe you were already fit, and already ate healthy...and the intermittent fasting took you to the next level...

But everyone that I know that is on it and claim its the best thing ever...were/are over weight, ate like crap, never exercised...now exercise, and eat way healthier (with way less calorie intake)...and suddenly feel better, have more energy and are losing weight...and are giving the intermittent fasting all the credit...when in reality its just that they are eating healthier and exercising more and could have gotten the same results without starving themselves most of every day.

(Sorry for the thread derail, OP...)
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Titan1 wrote:
Yeah, I know that "intermittent fasting" is kind of the new fad diet these days...I've got a friend of mine that is on it, and its...
Yeah, I know that "intermittent fasting" is kind of the new fad diet these days...I've got a friend of mine that is on it, and its working for him, he's down 40 pounds...and feels like he has more energy than ever.

My issue is that if I don't eat...my blood sugar drops and I can't function. I do fast once a month for 24 hours...and then on Sundays I'll usually fast half the day and then eat a big dinner. So I'm no opposed to it. I just don't see how I could function that way.
woodsgoon wrote:
I wouldnt call it a "fad" Its a technique that has been used for thousands of years both by choice and by default And is also...
I wouldnt call it a "fad" Its a technique that has been used for thousands of years both by choice and by default And is also the way our ancestors ate. They did not have access to a walmart 24/7 to get food from.
Im not saying this is your issue but i was the same way
Your body tells you its hungry to avoid burning its own reserves. If you were to start slow (say fast for 12 hours) and work your way up to a 16 or 18 hour fast daily, most of those issues should resolve themselves. I had shakes, light headedness, low blood sugar and all for the first few days/ week. After my body got use to finding its own source of energy instead of relying on me to feed it every time it wanted it i quit having those issues. You just have to retrain your body. At least that is how it worked for me. I went straight to a 16/8 schedule and toughed it out. It sucked but it was worth it. My sister inlaw said the same things you have, a week into committing to it those issues were gone.
A guy once water fasted for over 300 days....
Titan1 wrote:
I'm not trying to dismiss what you're doing, and I'm glad its working for you. But I've got to ask...what else did you change when you...
I'm not trying to dismiss what you're doing, and I'm glad its working for you.

But I've got to ask...what else did you change when you started this a few months ago?

So many people get on a special diet of some sort (Keto, Vegan, Intermittent fasting, whatever)...and completely change what they eat, how often and how long they exercise, or what type of exercising they do, their sleep habits, etc. and then claim it was the diet that is making all the difference in the world (they have more energy, losing weight, etc). When if they'd of just ate healthier, exercised more, exercised more effectively, got more sleep, etc they'd of gotten the same results without the hard core/extreme diet. (I'm just saying too many things seem to change when people start a new diet that its impossible to nail down which variable(s) is the cause of the positive health benefits...and the default is always the diet)

I'm sure there are exceptions...maybe you were already fit, and already ate healthy...and the intermittent fasting took you to the next level...

But everyone that I know that is on it and claim its the best thing ever...were/are over weight, ate like crap, never exercised...now exercise, and eat way healthier (with way less calorie intake)...and suddenly feel better, have more energy and are losing weight...and are giving the intermittent fasting all the credit...when in reality its just that they are eating healthier and exercising more and could have gotten the same results without starving themselves most of every day.

(Sorry for the thread derail, OP...)
i was already in very good shape. Gym 5-6 days a week, cycling, running, light weight lifting, ESD programs, you name it. I already ate healthy due to the fact that i was already trying to loose 10-15 lbs but had just hit a plateau in weight loss for some reason. I had came down 8 lbs but wanted to loose 10 more to get me back to my pre-injury weight. All i changed was starting to fast. lost 11 lbs through the holidays and feel better. I wasnt on any kind of "diet" i just watch what i eat. I still ate/eat stuff that isnt the best for me but in close moderation. I in no way massively changed my routine or diet at the same time. Just stumbled upon it listening to joe rogan and started doing research into it and thought it may be what i needed to get to where i wanted to be. But its really not starving yourself. It also helped my stomach, without getting into too much detail it helped regulate my IBS because it gives your gut a break.
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woodsgoon wrote:
I wouldnt call it a "fad" Its a technique that has been used for thousands of years both by choice and by default And is also...
I wouldnt call it a "fad" Its a technique that has been used for thousands of years both by choice and by default And is also the way our ancestors ate. They did not have access to a walmart 24/7 to get food from.
Im not saying this is your issue but i was the same way
Your body tells you its hungry to avoid burning its own reserves. If you were to start slow (say fast for 12 hours) and work your way up to a 16 or 18 hour fast daily, most of those issues should resolve themselves. I had shakes, light headedness, low blood sugar and all for the first few days/ week. After my body got use to finding its own source of energy instead of relying on me to feed it every time it wanted it i quit having those issues. You just have to retrain your body. At least that is how it worked for me. I went straight to a 16/8 schedule and toughed it out. It sucked but it was worth it. My sister inlaw said the same things you have, a week into committing to it those issues were gone.
A guy once water fasted for over 300 days....
Titan1 wrote:
I'm not trying to dismiss what you're doing, and I'm glad its working for you. But I've got to ask...what else did you change when you...
I'm not trying to dismiss what you're doing, and I'm glad its working for you.

But I've got to ask...what else did you change when you started this a few months ago?

So many people get on a special diet of some sort (Keto, Vegan, Intermittent fasting, whatever)...and completely change what they eat, how often and how long they exercise, or what type of exercising they do, their sleep habits, etc. and then claim it was the diet that is making all the difference in the world (they have more energy, losing weight, etc). When if they'd of just ate healthier, exercised more, exercised more effectively, got more sleep, etc they'd of gotten the same results without the hard core/extreme diet. (I'm just saying too many things seem to change when people start a new diet that its impossible to nail down which variable(s) is the cause of the positive health benefits...and the default is always the diet)

I'm sure there are exceptions...maybe you were already fit, and already ate healthy...and the intermittent fasting took you to the next level...

But everyone that I know that is on it and claim its the best thing ever...were/are over weight, ate like crap, never exercised...now exercise, and eat way healthier (with way less calorie intake)...and suddenly feel better, have more energy and are losing weight...and are giving the intermittent fasting all the credit...when in reality its just that they are eating healthier and exercising more and could have gotten the same results without starving themselves most of every day.

(Sorry for the thread derail, OP...)
woodsgoon wrote:
i was already in very good shape. Gym 5-6 days a week, cycling, running, light weight lifting, ESD programs, you name it. I already ate healthy...
i was already in very good shape. Gym 5-6 days a week, cycling, running, light weight lifting, ESD programs, you name it. I already ate healthy due to the fact that i was already trying to loose 10-15 lbs but had just hit a plateau in weight loss for some reason. I had came down 8 lbs but wanted to loose 10 more to get me back to my pre-injury weight. All i changed was starting to fast. lost 11 lbs through the holidays and feel better. I wasnt on any kind of "diet" i just watch what i eat. I still ate/eat stuff that isnt the best for me but in close moderation. I in no way massively changed my routine or diet at the same time. Just stumbled upon it listening to joe rogan and started doing research into it and thought it may be what i needed to get to where i wanted to be. But its really not starving yourself. It also helped my stomach, without getting into too much detail it helped regulate my IBS because it gives your gut a break.
Good for you man! I'm glad it is helping you.

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