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Mr. Afterbar 12/17/2019 10:07am
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I would say the title is Webb's to lose. He's the defending champ. This thread is about Supercross, not about their entire career. He's not the...
I would say the title is Webb's to lose. He's the defending champ.

This thread is about Supercross, not about their entire career. He's not the best SX rider. If he was, he'd have clinched a title by now.

He's done great. No doubt about that, but he's still chasing the most important title on US soil. A 450 SX championship.

Can he get it done in 2020? I don't know, but it's going to be fun to watch, and I'm looking forward to it.

Just hope everyone comes in healthy. 18 more days...
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So in your opinion Webb and Anderson are better SX racers than Tomac and that’s based on only the fact that they have each won a...
So in your opinion Webb and Anderson are better SX racers than Tomac and that’s based on only the fact that they have each won a championship?
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I would say "the fact" they each have a championship backs up the opinion that they are better sx racers. in my opinion of course....
If that’s the case, I guess Reed is currently the best SX racer since he has 2 championships. Well, that’s simply not true unless the only thing you count as making the best racer to be their number of Championships.

Championship standing from the past 5 years:

Anderson: 7, 3, 4, 1, 23
Tomac: 2, 4, 2, 3, 2

450 SX wins:

Anderson: 7
Tomac: 27
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BobbyM 12/17/2019 10:10am
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yz133rider wrote:
Wouldnt surprise me. He was a total non factor outdoors. Hes a tick off in outright pace.
His consistency was obviously better then everyone else.
Dave538 wrote:
How quickly we forget that Webb won more sx races than anyone last year......
yz133rider wrote:
I didnt forget anything. Marv n tomac both came in injured. Everything went webbs way. Even making a pass while out of control and cutting the...
I didnt forget anything. Marv n tomac both came in injured. Everything went webbs way. Even making a pass while out of control and cutting the track in the process. Not so sure it will all fall his way this year.

Outdoors where was he? Only race he did well was that mudder where he was able to block the only dry line. Same as he does in sx. Grab a start and block. Outdoors where theres more time and space to pass he cant do the holeshot and block as well and got smoked.
Defending champion is nothing to make fun of. I didn't figure you to be a mouth breathing dork, oh well.
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kkawboy14 12/17/2019 10:11am
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I think he is gonna be riding very nervous this year! Like Anderson last year.

When you win a Championship and it surprises yourself that you won, defending it will be hard.

This SX review stated it well, NOBODY expected Webb to win it (because how bad he was for 2 years on the Yamaha), he had some dinged up competition.

I think he will finish 4th or 5th!
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cbarber 12/17/2019 10:12am
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Mr. Afterbar wrote:
So in your opinion Webb and Anderson are better SX racers than Tomac and that’s based on only the fact that they have each won a...
So in your opinion Webb and Anderson are better SX racers than Tomac and that’s based on only the fact that they have each won a championship?
cbarber wrote:
I would say "the fact" they each have a championship backs up the opinion that they are better sx racers. in my opinion of course....
Mr. Afterbar wrote:
If that’s the case, I guess Reed is currently the best SX racer since he has 2 championships. Well, that’s simply not true unless the only...
If that’s the case, I guess Reed is currently the best SX racer since he has 2 championships. Well, that’s simply not true unless the only thing you count as making the best racer to be their number of Championships.

Championship standing from the past 5 years:

Anderson: 7, 3, 4, 1, 23
Tomac: 2, 4, 2, 3, 2

450 SX wins:

Anderson: 7
Tomac: 27
currently the best sx racer is Cooper Webb. I am not sure why this is so hard for you?
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kkawboy14 12/17/2019 10:15am
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cbarber wrote:
I would say "the fact" they each have a championship backs up the opinion that they are better sx racers. in my opinion of course....
Mr. Afterbar wrote:
If that’s the case, I guess Reed is currently the best SX racer since he has 2 championships. Well, that’s simply not true unless the only...
If that’s the case, I guess Reed is currently the best SX racer since he has 2 championships. Well, that’s simply not true unless the only thing you count as making the best racer to be their number of Championships.

Championship standing from the past 5 years:

Anderson: 7, 3, 4, 1, 23
Tomac: 2, 4, 2, 3, 2

450 SX wins:

Anderson: 7
Tomac: 27
cbarber wrote:
currently the best sx racer is Cooper Webb. I am not sure why this is so hard for you?
Well.....currently the best sx racer is AC, how did Webb do in that race?
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-MAVERICK- 12/17/2019 10:16am
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Mr. Afterbar wrote:
So in your opinion Webb and Anderson are better SX racers than Tomac and that’s based on only the fact that they have each won a...
So in your opinion Webb and Anderson are better SX racers than Tomac and that’s based on only the fact that they have each won a championship?
LOL @ "based on only the fact that they have each won a championship"

They get paid by the manufacturers to win championships, so yeah...
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cbarber 12/17/2019 10:19am
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Mr. Afterbar wrote:
If that’s the case, I guess Reed is currently the best SX racer since he has 2 championships. Well, that’s simply not true unless the only...
If that’s the case, I guess Reed is currently the best SX racer since he has 2 championships. Well, that’s simply not true unless the only thing you count as making the best racer to be their number of Championships.

Championship standing from the past 5 years:

Anderson: 7, 3, 4, 1, 23
Tomac: 2, 4, 2, 3, 2

450 SX wins:

Anderson: 7
Tomac: 27
cbarber wrote:
currently the best sx racer is Cooper Webb. I am not sure why this is so hard for you?
kkawboy14 wrote:
Well.....currently the best sx racer is AC, how did Webb do in that race?
wrong. Webb is champ. champion = best. come on, you can do better.
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kkawboy14 12/17/2019 10:20am
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cbarber wrote:
currently the best sx racer is Cooper Webb. I am not sure why this is so hard for you?
kkawboy14 wrote:
Well.....currently the best sx racer is AC, how did Webb do in that race?
cbarber wrote:
wrong. Webb is champ. champion = best. come on, you can do better.
No, you said “currently”.....that’s the most current sx Championship, it’s a 3 race Championship, how did he do?
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yz133rider 12/17/2019 10:23am
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BobbyM wrote:
Defending champion is nothing to make fun of. I didn't figure you to be a mouth breathing dork, oh well.
Mouth breathing dork lol. Webb was consistent, not discrediting that. That might be enough to do it again but in my opinion as i said his speed is a tick off the top guys like eli, kenny, marv, anderson.
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Mr. Afterbar 12/17/2019 10:23am
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LOL @ "based on only the fact that they have each won a championship"

They get paid by the manufacturers to win championships, so yeah...
Pretty sure they get paid either way. If you want to talk about who currently has made the most money from contracts and winning in SX, I’d beg to differ it being Anderson or Webb.
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cbarber 12/17/2019 10:26am
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kkawboy14 wrote:
Well.....currently the best sx racer is AC, how did Webb do in that race?
cbarber wrote:
wrong. Webb is champ. champion = best. come on, you can do better.
kkawboy14 wrote:
No, you said “currently”.....that’s the most current sx Championship, it’s a 3 race Championship, how did he do?
na, AC may be the Monster Cup Champion, but he is not the Supercross Champion.
How did Eli do? oh ya, same as 2019 sx…..2nd! lol
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cbarber 12/17/2019 10:27am
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LOL @ "based on only the fact that they have each won a championship"

They get paid by the manufacturers to win championships, so yeah...
Mr. Afterbar wrote:
Pretty sure they get paid either way. If you want to talk about who currently has made the most money from contracts and winning in SX...
Pretty sure they get paid either way. If you want to talk about who currently has made the most money from contracts and winning in SX, I’d beg to differ it being Anderson or Webb.
So you are saying Kawi isn't getting their money's worth?
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kkawboy14 12/17/2019 10:31am
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cbarber wrote:
wrong. Webb is champ. champion = best. come on, you can do better.
kkawboy14 wrote:
No, you said “currently”.....that’s the most current sx Championship, it’s a 3 race Championship, how did he do?
cbarber wrote:
na, AC may be the Monster Cup Champion, but he is not the Supercross Champion.
How did Eli do? oh ya, same as 2019 sx…..2nd! lol
I agree Eli got Tomacked!

But last years SX Championship was a long time ago, like I said he was Surprised he won. Webb is human he will be nervous.

AC on the other hand is now thinking he is the man to beat, if he wins this year, look out AC will be around for a long time!
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Mr. Afterbar 12/17/2019 10:34am
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
LOL @ "based on only the fact that they have each won a championship"

They get paid by the manufacturers to win championships, so yeah...
Mr. Afterbar wrote:
Pretty sure they get paid either way. If you want to talk about who currently has made the most money from contracts and winning in SX...
Pretty sure they get paid either way. If you want to talk about who currently has made the most money from contracts and winning in SX, I’d beg to differ it being Anderson or Webb.
cbarber wrote:
So you are saying Kawi isn't getting their money's worth?
I’d say money well spent. He is after all the most successful racer of the current era. Since contracts cover indoors and out, he’s gotten his employer 3 times the championships of Webb or Anderson.
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Sensual Octopus 12/17/2019 8:36pm
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Why is no one talking about weeges hair in these videos? Looks like matthes sprayed a whole can of SC1 in there
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MotoMo165 12/17/2019 9:16pm
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Webb is one of the best racers there is right now. How often did he crash in a main last year? Once? How many text book passes did he put on tomac, roczen, musquin? Seemed like just about every race webb would make incredible passes. You guys are forgetting how great of a racer webb is
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kkawboy14 12/18/2019 3:09am
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Webb is one of the best racers there is right now. How often did he crash in a main last year? Once? How many text book...
Webb is one of the best racers there is right now. How often did he crash in a main last year? Once? How many text book passes did he put on tomac, roczen, musquin? Seemed like just about every race webb would make incredible passes. You guys are forgetting how great of a racer webb is
No one is forgetting!

How did he do Outdoors?

What place did he finish at the MEC?


In “guessing” who is hot, right now, these things would have to be a factor in that discussion. Not just that he has a number 1 on his bike from last year!
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Ray_MXS 12/18/2019 3:16am
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Why do people on here keep confusing "best" with "fastest"?

Sure Eli might be the fastest rider a lot of the time but that does not make him the best. The one who wins the championship is ultimately the best, and he hasn't done that. He's had plenty opportunity, he hasn't been injured much.

I don't get why this is so hard for some or you.
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kb228 12/18/2019 3:23am
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Ray_MXS wrote:
Why do people on here keep confusing "best" with "fastest"? Sure Eli might be the fastest rider a lot of the time but that does not...
Why do people on here keep confusing "best" with "fastest"?

Sure Eli might be the fastest rider a lot of the time but that does not make him the best. The one who wins the championship is ultimately the best, and he hasn't done that. He's had plenty opportunity, he hasn't been injured much.

I don't get why this is so hard for some or you.
Normally id agree. The reason i dont in this specific case is because of the current top few guys, eli has won way more races. Hes literally an all time winner and a 3x back to back to back mx champ. Everyone knows that mx title is gnarlier than sx.

Like yes webb won 2019 sx and anderson won 2018. Ill still never ever say those two guys are higher caliber riders than eli or even kenny. Theyre just not - yet.
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motonation24 12/18/2019 4:01am
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kkawboy14 wrote:
I think he is gonna be riding very nervous this year! Like Anderson last year. When you win a Championship and it surprises yourself that you...
I think he is gonna be riding very nervous this year! Like Anderson last year.

When you win a Championship and it surprises yourself that you won, defending it will be hard.

This SX review stated it well, NOBODY expected Webb to win it (because how bad he was for 2 years on the Yamaha), he had some dinged up competition.

I think he will finish 4th or 5th!
This is true. Different attitude and mindset will be required for Webb this year.
As they said in the show, the first few races will be critical for Webb to build that confidence.
If he nails the starts every week like he did last year there won’t be too many issue.
Tomac needs to sort that out to have a shot, I hope he gets it done this year and gets his 4th 450 outdoor title
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-MAVERICK- 12/18/2019 7:01am
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Episode 2 is up on the first page.
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TogaSet 12/18/2019 7:17am
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I’ll take the guy with the number 1 plate on his bike.
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Timothy Jurczak 12/18/2019 7:26am
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MotoMo165 finally made the point. Webb never goes down. I’m sure he can twist the throttle and crash out like Eli and Marv but those guys are 2nd place experts.

As far as this repeat topic goes, Eli who I really like didn’t even defend his 250 title. Webb had a vapor lock DNF in 2016 and broken wrist in Vegas and still pulled it off. He has come in first in 50% of his supercross seasons and he is really young still. Figure it out...
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Zeke27G 12/18/2019 7:49am
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Steve, love what you do for the sport man, but don't be so friggin' awkward while either one of the Jason's is talking.

Just turn your head slightly their way and occasionally nod when they're making a point or finishing a sentence.

The double facepalm over Eli did have me rolling though!
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kkawboy14 12/18/2019 11:58am
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So in Episode II, ALL of those guys picked Tomac? Even tho Webb is the favorite?
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mark_swart 12/18/2019 12:11pm
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I have to say I really like what Keefer is bringing to these shows with the technical info. As long as he can keep finding little pearls l(ike the KTM frame reinforcement), I think that makes it more interesting for more serious fans. Very cool.
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Helda 12/18/2019 2:36pm
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TogaSet wrote:
I’ll take the guy with the number 1 plate on his bike.
How did that go for you this year?
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kb228 12/18/2019 2:49pm
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kkawboy14 wrote:
So in Episode II, ALL of those guys picked Tomac? Even tho Webb is the favorite?
People only look at the sticker on the bike yo. Thats the only factor that matters.. duh
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BroFoSho 12/18/2019 3:47pm
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kkawboy14 wrote:
No, you said “currently”.....that’s the most current sx Championship, it’s a 3 race Championship, how did he do?
Let's see....It took Tomac until his 4th try to win a 450 outdoor title. He will be in his 7th year in Supercross and still hasn't gotten it done.

Webb in his 3rd year has already won a Supercross title.

Three years in, Tomac had like 4 SX wins and 3 outdoor wins total? Webb has a SX title, 7 wins and an outdoor win.
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seth505 12/18/2019 5:29pm
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*NEWSFLASH* It's a discussion on the 2020 Supercross season preview show, not the "Ya but Eli wins outdoor Championships preview show".
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