MXGP vs. AMA MX gate drops

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MXGP: 18 weekends, 1 qualifier, 2 motos = 54 races per season
AMA: 12 weekends, 2 motos = 24 races per season

Each season in MXGP is 2.25 seasons in America.

Since 2016, Jason Anderson has raced 28 450 MX events.
Since 2016, Tim Gajser has raced 72 MXGPs

So for Anderson, that's 54 motos.
For Gajser, it's 216 😳(4x Anderson in the same time period).

If mastery is earned through repetition, there's a glimpse into why the top guys were so consistent this weekend and the Americans were not.
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Or justin Cooper and anderson came together 2 turns into first moto wrecking both their days.
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Or justin Cooper and anderson came together 2 turns into first moto wrecking both their days.
You're looking for AND, not Or.
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Both series have loads of gatedrops. USA with SX 17 sx mains + heats and 24 moto’s in MX = 34 + 24 = 58 races, monster cup 3 = 61 races. Maybe some LCQ’s as well.

MXGP 54 races. Depending on the team they ride for. For instance Paulss Jonass. Hawkstone park + 2 gate drops, Le Capelle Marival, 3 gatedrops, 4x Dutch Masters = 8 gatedrops. They are around the same.
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Seriously, get over! Cooper Webb said it best! He made $1million more by winning SX title then he would’ve winning the National Championship. Pretty simple to figure out their priorities. This is how it is NOW. Riders ride 8 months of SX. Don’t hate the players, hate the game.
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Huckster wrote:
Seriously, get over! Cooper Webb said it best! He made $1million more by winning SX title then he would’ve winning the National Championship. Pretty simple to...
Seriously, get over! Cooper Webb said it best! He made $1million more by winning SX title then he would’ve winning the National Championship. Pretty simple to figure out their priorities. This is how it is NOW. Riders ride 8 months of SX. Don’t hate the players, hate the game.
Right. Nothing in my post is comparing MX vs. SX racing, skills, money or reasons. It's numbers. People get better at things the more they do it. MXGP guys race more. A lot more.
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Huckster wrote:
Seriously, get over! Cooper Webb said it best! He made $1million more by winning SX title then he would’ve winning the National Championship. Pretty simple to...
Seriously, get over! Cooper Webb said it best! He made $1million more by winning SX title then he would’ve winning the National Championship. Pretty simple to figure out their priorities. This is how it is NOW. Riders ride 8 months of SX. Don’t hate the players, hate the game.
rehan53 wrote:
Right. Nothing in my post is comparing MX vs. SX racing, skills, money or reasons. It's numbers. People get better at things the more they do...
Right. Nothing in my post is comparing MX vs. SX racing, skills, money or reasons. It's numbers. People get better at things the more they do it. MXGP guys race more. A lot more.
Thanks Captain Obvious! We could send Three teams to the make believe SXoN and would finish 1/2/3 with France being the only country with a shot of being Top 3. And the 3 French riders on that team all race In The USA SX 8 months/yr. ridiculous!!
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Huckster wrote:
Thanks Captain Obvious! We could send Three teams to the make believe SXoN and would finish 1/2/3 with France being the only country with a shot...
Thanks Captain Obvious! We could send Three teams to the make believe SXoN and would finish 1/2/3 with France being the only country with a shot of being Top 3. And the 3 French riders on that team all race In The USA SX 8 months/yr. ridiculous!!
Yeah, and, again, you could go debate that in a different thread if you want. I posted numbers.
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Cortami79 wrote:
Both series have loads of gatedrops. USA with SX 17 sx mains + heats and 24 moto’s in MX = 34 + 24 = 58 races...
Both series have loads of gatedrops. USA with SX 17 sx mains + heats and 24 moto’s in MX = 34 + 24 = 58 races, monster cup 3 = 61 races. Maybe some LCQ’s as well.

MXGP 54 races. Depending on the team they ride for. For instance Paulss Jonass. Hawkstone park + 2 gate drops, Le Capelle Marival, 3 gatedrops, 4x Dutch Masters = 8 gatedrops. They are around the same.
There's actually 64 gate drops for the US guys.

There's 17 SX races but 3 of them use the Triple Crown format.

14 SX/3 TCSX = 37 races

12 MX races = 24 motos

Monster Cup = 3 races

64 total gate drops for the top 450 guys.
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9/29/2019 12:53pm Edited Date/Time 9/29/2019 12:53pm
I think some of you guys are missing the point the OP is making.

Most of the MXGP riders (mostly EU) have elevated their skillset by virtue of repetition because they ONLY race MX.

US riders focus on two disciplines. SX and MX. And while we think our guys are the best, we just haven't structured our guys in a way to dominate in MX. In all reality, the focus is SX. (Sept-Dec to prep and train for SX/ Jan-April= Race and train...That's 8 months.) (MX=2 weeks in May and and may 2-3 week in the winter to test then 4 months of racing and training.) Numbers don't lie.

Think of it like this...if the MXGP riders only raced 12 rounds and then did 18 rounds of let's say Enduros...they would struggle in MX because they are splitting their focus between two different disciplines.

SX is not MX and while similar they are not the same. It's a type of dirt bike racing like Off Road, Enduro, Rally, etc.

The sooner you guys realize that, the sooner you'll see why the US struggles at MXDN. US racers have a split focus and that will affect future results.



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9/29/2019 12:56pm Edited Date/Time 9/29/2019 1:09pm
Cortami79 wrote:
Both series have loads of gatedrops. USA with SX 17 sx mains + heats and 24 moto’s in MX = 34 + 24 = 58 races...
Both series have loads of gatedrops. USA with SX 17 sx mains + heats and 24 moto’s in MX = 34 + 24 = 58 races, monster cup 3 = 61 races. Maybe some LCQ’s as well.

MXGP 54 races. Depending on the team they ride for. For instance Paulss Jonass. Hawkstone park + 2 gate drops, Le Capelle Marival, 3 gatedrops, 4x Dutch Masters = 8 gatedrops. They are around the same.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
There's actually 64 gate drops for the US guys. There's 17 SX races but 3 of them use the Triple Crown format. 14 SX/3 TCSX =...
There's actually 64 gate drops for the US guys.

There's 17 SX races but 3 of them use the Triple Crown format.

14 SX/3 TCSX = 37 races

12 MX races = 24 motos

Monster Cup = 3 races

64 total gate drops for the top 450 guys.
You missed the point the OP made. Motocross only.
9/29/2019 1:03pm
I put it down to sand track, wet sand, b team, remeber what happened when they came over to the hard pack usa track.
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9/29/2019 1:12pm Edited Date/Time 9/29/2019 1:16pm
These top MXGP guys are just there EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. The gate drops and they go to the front. It doesn't matter the country, the dirt, the weather, or anything else. They're great, consistent starters and they go fast the whole moto. For most of our top guys it's more random than a coin toss if they're going to get off the line well or have a good race.
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9/29/2019 1:16pm Edited Date/Time 9/29/2019 1:18pm
The French have a Sx series and it's not slowing them down. During the US win streak credit was given to Sx for making the riders sharper. They were winning the though unlike now.
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9/29/2019 1:20pm
Huckster wrote:
Seriously, get over! Cooper Webb said it best! He made $1million more by winning SX title then he would’ve winning the National Championship. Pretty simple to...
Seriously, get over! Cooper Webb said it best! He made $1million more by winning SX title then he would’ve winning the National Championship. Pretty simple to figure out their priorities. This is how it is NOW. Riders ride 8 months of SX. Don’t hate the players, hate the game.
People bang on about AMA based riders riding SX tracks 8 months out of the year.

Plenty of them were also riding MX tracks back in early March, including the likes of AC.
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9/29/2019 1:20pm Edited Date/Time 9/29/2019 1:23pm
Cortami79 wrote:
Both series have loads of gatedrops. USA with SX 17 sx mains + heats and 24 moto’s in MX = 34 + 24 = 58 races...
Both series have loads of gatedrops. USA with SX 17 sx mains + heats and 24 moto’s in MX = 34 + 24 = 58 races, monster cup 3 = 61 races. Maybe some LCQ’s as well.

MXGP 54 races. Depending on the team they ride for. For instance Paulss Jonass. Hawkstone park + 2 gate drops, Le Capelle Marival, 3 gatedrops, 4x Dutch Masters = 8 gatedrops. They are around the same.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
There's actually 64 gate drops for the US guys. There's 17 SX races but 3 of them use the Triple Crown format. 14 SX/3 TCSX =...
There's actually 64 gate drops for the US guys.

There's 17 SX races but 3 of them use the Triple Crown format.

14 SX/3 TCSX = 37 races

12 MX races = 24 motos

Monster Cup = 3 races

64 total gate drops for the top 450 guys.
You missed the point the OP made. Motocross only.
No, I got that he's comparing MX series vs. MX series.

Yes, the GP guys race more MX races and that's normal since that's their only focus.

That said, in terms of overall racing throughout the year, they both race just as much as the other. The only difference is that the US race two different disciplines.

The GP guys are better at MX for obvious reasons just like the US guys are better at SX for obvious reasons. Each have more gate drops in their respective disciplines.

One could easily start a similar thread titled MXGP vs AMA SX Gate Drops.

It would look like this

US = 40
MXGP = 0

Easy to see why the US are better at SX.
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Huckster wrote:
Seriously, get over! Cooper Webb said it best! He made $1million more by winning SX title then he would’ve winning the National Championship. Pretty simple to...
Seriously, get over! Cooper Webb said it best! He made $1million more by winning SX title then he would’ve winning the National Championship. Pretty simple to figure out their priorities. This is how it is NOW. Riders ride 8 months of SX. Don’t hate the players, hate the game.
People bang on about AMA based riders riding SX tracks 8 months out of the year. Plenty of them were also riding MX tracks back in...
People bang on about AMA based riders riding SX tracks 8 months out of the year.

Plenty of them were also riding MX tracks back in early March, including the likes of AC.
No one cares about the Nationals anymore and even less people in positions of importance care about the MXoN. the sport on this side of the pond has evolved.
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9/29/2019 1:31pm
-MAVERICK- wrote:
There's actually 64 gate drops for the US guys. There's 17 SX races but 3 of them use the Triple Crown format. 14 SX/3 TCSX =...
There's actually 64 gate drops for the US guys.

There's 17 SX races but 3 of them use the Triple Crown format.

14 SX/3 TCSX = 37 races

12 MX races = 24 motos

Monster Cup = 3 races

64 total gate drops for the top 450 guys.
You missed the point the OP made. Motocross only.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
No, I got that he's comparing MX series vs. MX series. Yes, the GP guys race more MX races and that's normal since that's their only...
No, I got that he's comparing MX series vs. MX series.

Yes, the GP guys race more MX races and that's normal since that's their only focus.

That said, in terms of overall racing throughout the year, they both race just as much as the other. The only difference is that the US race two different disciplines.

The GP guys are better at MX for obvious reasons just like the US guys are better at SX for obvious reasons. Each have more gate drops in their respective disciplines.

One could easily start a similar thread titled MXGP vs AMA SX Gate Drops.

It would look like this

US = 40
MXGP = 0

Easy to see why the US are better at SX.
You are correct but there is no SXoN and this thread is about motocross.
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Huckster wrote:
No one cares about the Nationals anymore and even less people in positions of importance care about the MXoN. the sport on this side of the...
No one cares about the Nationals anymore and even less people in positions of importance care about the MXoN. the sport on this side of the pond has evolved.
This is still not the topic of this thread.
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You should work out how many total minutes the AMA guys spend racing (including SX) compared to GP riders. It’s a vast difference.
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You missed the point the OP made. Motocross only.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
No, I got that he's comparing MX series vs. MX series. Yes, the GP guys race more MX races and that's normal since that's their only...
No, I got that he's comparing MX series vs. MX series.

Yes, the GP guys race more MX races and that's normal since that's their only focus.

That said, in terms of overall racing throughout the year, they both race just as much as the other. The only difference is that the US race two different disciplines.

The GP guys are better at MX for obvious reasons just like the US guys are better at SX for obvious reasons. Each have more gate drops in their respective disciplines.

One could easily start a similar thread titled MXGP vs AMA SX Gate Drops.

It would look like this

US = 40
MXGP = 0

Easy to see why the US are better at SX.
You are correct but there is no SXoN and this thread is about motocross.
I get that this thread is about MX. I'm just pointing out that OP's point is moot.

Why? Because one series races more MX while the other races more SX.

One will argue the GP guys are better at MX and one will argue the US guys are better at SX.

Both will be right. It's just a continuous circle.

There's really nothing to debate.

You can't compare the series without factoring in SX because it is being raced, even if it's only on one side of the Atlantic. You can't discredit SX and for that reason the series are not on equal terms.
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if we"claim" to be the best,there is zero excuses.
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
There's actually 64 gate drops for the US guys. There's 17 SX races but 3 of them use the Triple Crown format. 14 SX/3 TCSX =...
There's actually 64 gate drops for the US guys.

There's 17 SX races but 3 of them use the Triple Crown format.

14 SX/3 TCSX = 37 races

12 MX races = 24 motos

Monster Cup = 3 races

64 total gate drops for the top 450 guys.
You missed the point the OP made. Motocross only.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
No, I got that he's comparing MX series vs. MX series. Yes, the GP guys race more MX races and that's normal since that's their only...
No, I got that he's comparing MX series vs. MX series.

Yes, the GP guys race more MX races and that's normal since that's their only focus.

That said, in terms of overall racing throughout the year, they both race just as much as the other. The only difference is that the US race two different disciplines.

The GP guys are better at MX for obvious reasons just like the US guys are better at SX for obvious reasons. Each have more gate drops in their respective disciplines.

One could easily start a similar thread titled MXGP vs AMA SX Gate Drops.

It would look like this

US = 40
MXGP = 0

Easy to see why the US are better at SX.
Why would anyone disagree with this??? Spot on Maverick.
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9/29/2019 1:59pm
Huckster wrote:
Seriously, get over! Cooper Webb said it best! He made $1million more by winning SX title then he would’ve winning the National Championship. Pretty simple to...
Seriously, get over! Cooper Webb said it best! He made $1million more by winning SX title then he would’ve winning the National Championship. Pretty simple to figure out their priorities. This is how it is NOW. Riders ride 8 months of SX. Don’t hate the players, hate the game.
People bang on about AMA based riders riding SX tracks 8 months out of the year. Plenty of them were also riding MX tracks back in...
People bang on about AMA based riders riding SX tracks 8 months out of the year.

Plenty of them were also riding MX tracks back in early March, including the likes of AC.
Huckster wrote:
No one cares about the Nationals anymore and even less people in positions of importance care about the MXoN. the sport on this side of the...
No one cares about the Nationals anymore and even less people in positions of importance care about the MXoN. the sport on this side of the pond has evolved.
That's fine! Things evolve.

You're high if you think riders ride 8 months of SX and 4 months of MX though!
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This is pretty silly, overall.

There are no points for the qualifying races, so putting those on the same level as an actual moto is simply stupid.

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9/29/2019 2:04pm
People bang on about AMA based riders riding SX tracks 8 months out of the year. Plenty of them were also riding MX tracks back in...
People bang on about AMA based riders riding SX tracks 8 months out of the year.

Plenty of them were also riding MX tracks back in early March, including the likes of AC.
Huckster wrote:
No one cares about the Nationals anymore and even less people in positions of importance care about the MXoN. the sport on this side of the...
No one cares about the Nationals anymore and even less people in positions of importance care about the MXoN. the sport on this side of the pond has evolved.
That's fine! Things evolve.

You're high if you think riders ride 8 months of SX and 4 months of MX though!
Really? Some guys only ride SX.
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9/29/2019 6:32pm Edited Date/Time 9/29/2019 7:27pm
Huckster wrote:
Seriously, get over! Cooper Webb said it best! He made $1million more by winning SX title then he would’ve winning the National Championship. Pretty simple to...
Seriously, get over! Cooper Webb said it best! He made $1million more by winning SX title then he would’ve winning the National Championship. Pretty simple to figure out their priorities. This is how it is NOW. Riders ride 8 months of SX. Don’t hate the players, hate the game.
He would have made a lot more by winning MX too, a shitty excuse for not being able to hang with Tomac...
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Robgvx wrote:
You should work out how many total minutes the AMA guys spend racing (including SX) compared to GP riders. It’s a vast difference.
Herlings and Everts have commented lately on how grueling the AMA schedule is and that it drives guys to retire so young...

Round and round we go!
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9/29/2019 6:41pm
That's fine! Things evolve.

You're high if you think riders ride 8 months of SX and 4 months of MX though!
Most (not all) US riders will probably start riding SX next month if they haven’t already and won’t ride MX till end of April/beginning of May which is roughly seven months. Eight months doesn’t seem all that unrealistic at all.
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