MXdN , Team USA is it an Honor,Reward or Burden ?

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All this talk about Team USA, I'm saying it's a reward that should be accepted with Honor and the Burden put on the AMA and the Teams to make it happen.

Simply put I don't believe anyone should be picked for the Team unless they are racing all year it just doesn't seem right with all the Talent we have why reward a guy for not participating all summer.
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5/6/2009 2:20pm
It's none of those things in the first instance.

Before anything else, Team USA is an attempt to win the MXdN
5/6/2009 2:20pm Edited Date/Time 5/6/2009 2:21pm
the answer is: yes.
p.s. and I agree with FTE 100%.
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5/6/2009 2:30pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:47pm
This is one thing that I do agree with 500guy on.
If one of your best riders hasn't raced anything since the first week of May - how can you expect him to be riding at his best in September? Especially considering the MXDN is OUTDOORS, its not SX.
5/6/2009 2:34pm
so you agree with 500 guy's end-result, but not with his reasoning? I can see not sending a rider who's not racing outdoors because of concern about him being rusty, but that has nothing do with the "reward" principle being spoken of. All of these guys work incredibly hard and deserve a reward, but frankly that should have very little, if anything, to do with the selection of the MDoN roster IMO. As FTE said, it's about winning, and team selection has everything to do with which riders can help carry that goal out best.

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5/6/2009 2:36pm
The truth is, it's all 3.

1. First of all, it is a tremendous honor to be picked to represent the greatest motocross nation at the race of all nations. That honor should go to riders who respect the sport enough to ride their own country's outdoor series.

2. It is a burden in the tremendous pressure put on the riders who are expected to win the MXdN. There is no way to lessen that pressure without lessening the importance of winning the race, which won't be happening any time soon.

3. Being selected is a reward in the sense that the riders selected for Team USA are recognized as the cream of the crop. Also, their careers are enhanced by having an MXdN victory on their resume.

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5/6/2009 2:39pm
I think it's a perspective thing.

From the fans perspective: They feel the riders chosen should feel it's an honor.

From the Rides perspective: being picked is a reward

From the team and AMA perspective: it's a burden.

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5/6/2009 2:56pm Edited Date/Time 5/6/2009 2:56pm
Financial Burden if MONSTER does not pay for it all.
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If the right folks were in charge it could be a tool to promote MX, does anyone give a shit about figure skating? When was the last time you sat around work and talked about balance beam? Those sports suck and are boring, so what's the draw? It's about beating other countries, MXdN has that. Someone needs to put that to use, not sure who or what needs to be done, but the potential is there. So the answer is hell yes it's an honor.
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I totally understand you 500jay, but it feels so damn sick knowing the fastest rider on the planet (hate that expression) is at his home playing video games with Malcolm or something. You also have to be generous towards us Euros that are not able to see Stew that much. We want to taste some as well! Smile

But, as long as team USA comes I'm happy and grateful. This is should be what you guys feel is right!
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mxrose3 wrote:
This is one thing that I do agree with 500guy on. If one of your best riders hasn't raced anything since the first week of May...
This is one thing that I do agree with 500guy on.
If one of your best riders hasn't raced anything since the first week of May - how can you expect him to be riding at his best in September? Especially considering the MXDN is OUTDOORS, its not SX.
But what if "that guy" is still better than those other guys even after being off since May?

Remember, "that guy" was supposedly just barely ready for GH last year? We know how that ended up. Even Mike Alessi couldn't get in between him and 24-0.

Is this some kind of elementary school "all kids pass no matter what, because you don't want to hurt their feelings" type of thing? Or is it grown-up shit where we send the best man for the job? Why punish "that guy" because he's "that good"?

Oh yeah, "how can you expect him to be riding at his best in September?" I heard he has a track or 2 or 3 on his estate and he knows how to use him.

Tell the other guys to get better and be "the best men for the job". That's makes it a non-issue.
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DrSweden wrote:
I totally understand you 500jay, but it feels so damn sick knowing the fastest rider on the planet (hate that expression) is at his home playing...
I totally understand you 500jay, but it feels so damn sick knowing the fastest rider on the planet (hate that expression) is at his home playing video games with Malcolm or something. You also have to be generous towards us Euros that are not able to see Stew that much. We want to taste some as well! Smile

But, as long as team USA comes I'm happy and grateful. This is should be what you guys feel is right!
If he skips Nats he won't be the fastest rider on the planet, RV is the current MXDN star at the moment...
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5/6/2009 3:12pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:47pm
It is the Responsiblity of the top usa riders to represent our country. You are not a true American if you don't prepare and Request to be on the team. Stewart will have over 5 months to get ready for the MXoN. L&M will have 5 months to get sponsor money together. There will be no excuse if Stewart does not represent.



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Maybe they should have a race to see who goes....top three finishers go to the MXoN.

Oh, wait a minute, they already have that, it's called the NATIONALS!

I say take the three fastest dudes that race the nationals and go...if James Stewart wants to go he needs to race at least one national prior to the team being chosen...if he shows up and proves he's one of the three fastest guys on an outdoor track, I have no issue sending him.
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5/6/2009 3:33pm
mxrose3 wrote:
This is one thing that I do agree with 500guy on. If one of your best riders hasn't raced anything since the first week of May...
This is one thing that I do agree with 500guy on.
If one of your best riders hasn't raced anything since the first week of May - how can you expect him to be riding at his best in September? Especially considering the MXDN is OUTDOORS, its not SX.
Stephon wrote:
But what if "that guy" is still better than those other guys even after being off since May? Remember, "that guy" was supposedly just barely ready...
But what if "that guy" is still better than those other guys even after being off since May?

Remember, "that guy" was supposedly just barely ready for GH last year? We know how that ended up. Even Mike Alessi couldn't get in between him and 24-0.

Is this some kind of elementary school "all kids pass no matter what, because you don't want to hurt their feelings" type of thing? Or is it grown-up shit where we send the best man for the job? Why punish "that guy" because he's "that good"?

Oh yeah, "how can you expect him to be riding at his best in September?" I heard he has a track or 2 or 3 on his estate and he knows how to use him.

Tell the other guys to get better and be "the best men for the job". That's makes it a non-issue.
The best racers did not race last year though.

James had a walk in the park out their, no pressure physically or mentally.

I think it's WAY too early to even be talking about WHO before we even see where everyone is at, and how fast they are. If we have 3 very fast racers no reason for James to race, but he surely can go and be a huge motivational person in the pits, and not have to worry about the pressures of winning. He has earned the right to go as an advisory so to speak, and be the older, big brother type role.

Tom.
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mxrose3 wrote:
This is one thing that I do agree with 500guy on. If one of your best riders hasn't raced anything since the first week of May...
This is one thing that I do agree with 500guy on.
If one of your best riders hasn't raced anything since the first week of May - how can you expect him to be riding at his best in September? Especially considering the MXDN is OUTDOORS, its not SX.
Stephon wrote:
But what if "that guy" is still better than those other guys even after being off since May? Remember, "that guy" was supposedly just barely ready...
But what if "that guy" is still better than those other guys even after being off since May?

Remember, "that guy" was supposedly just barely ready for GH last year? We know how that ended up. Even Mike Alessi couldn't get in between him and 24-0.

Is this some kind of elementary school "all kids pass no matter what, because you don't want to hurt their feelings" type of thing? Or is it grown-up shit where we send the best man for the job? Why punish "that guy" because he's "that good"?

Oh yeah, "how can you expect him to be riding at his best in September?" I heard he has a track or 2 or 3 on his estate and he knows how to use him.

Tell the other guys to get better and be "the best men for the job". That's makes it a non-issue.
MX479Guy wrote:
The best racers did not race last year though. James had a walk in the park out their, no pressure physically or mentally. I think it's...
The best racers did not race last year though.

James had a walk in the park out their, no pressure physically or mentally.

I think it's WAY too early to even be talking about WHO before we even see where everyone is at, and how fast they are. If we have 3 very fast racers no reason for James to race, but he surely can go and be a huge motivational person in the pits, and not have to worry about the pressures of winning. He has earned the right to go as an advisory so to speak, and be the older, big brother type role.

Tom.
Who didn't race that you would have put your hard earned money on after 24 drops of the gate? Not including RC, who was retired (besides RC had James' number in MX). But James was more of a threat to the best RC there was in my opinion. I truly believe RC could've been top 3 for 5 more years barring injury.
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Stephon wrote:
But what if "that guy" is still better than those other guys even after being off since May? Remember, "that guy" was supposedly just barely ready...
But what if "that guy" is still better than those other guys even after being off since May?

Remember, "that guy" was supposedly just barely ready for GH last year? We know how that ended up. Even Mike Alessi couldn't get in between him and 24-0.

Is this some kind of elementary school "all kids pass no matter what, because you don't want to hurt their feelings" type of thing? Or is it grown-up shit where we send the best man for the job? Why punish "that guy" because he's "that good"?

Oh yeah, "how can you expect him to be riding at his best in September?" I heard he has a track or 2 or 3 on his estate and he knows how to use him.

Tell the other guys to get better and be "the best men for the job". That's makes it a non-issue.
MX479Guy wrote:
The best racers did not race last year though. James had a walk in the park out their, no pressure physically or mentally. I think it's...
The best racers did not race last year though.

James had a walk in the park out their, no pressure physically or mentally.

I think it's WAY too early to even be talking about WHO before we even see where everyone is at, and how fast they are. If we have 3 very fast racers no reason for James to race, but he surely can go and be a huge motivational person in the pits, and not have to worry about the pressures of winning. He has earned the right to go as an advisory so to speak, and be the older, big brother type role.

Tom.
Stephon wrote:
Who didn't race that you would have put your hard earned money on after 24 drops of the gate? Not including RC, who was retired (besides...
Who didn't race that you would have put your hard earned money on after 24 drops of the gate? Not including RC, who was retired (besides RC had James' number in MX). But James was more of a threat to the best RC there was in my opinion. I truly believe RC could've been top 3 for 5 more years barring injury.
I think with James , RC was sort of his kryptonite outdoors. James had the speed, but RC had the complete package and mental strength.

Flip that around for SX, James has everyone number.

James knew he had the field covered, and he relaxed and enjoyed MX, it wasn't a race anymore really. When he rides having fun, he's amazing.

I would like to see James go to the MXDN's but as a support role, and advisory.
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500guy wrote:
All this talk about Team USA, I'm saying it's a reward that should be accepted with Honor and the Burden put on the AMA and the...
All this talk about Team USA, I'm saying it's a reward that should be accepted with Honor and the Burden put on the AMA and the Teams to make it happen.

Simply put I don't believe anyone should be picked for the Team unless they are racing all year it just doesn't seem right with all the Talent we have why reward a guy for not participating all summer.
Ditto
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Why reward a guy for not participating all summer? Lest use Stewart for example. Regular season he is paid to race, paid for endorsements, paid for travel, food and other expenses and most importantly, paid to WIN. He gets a trainer, works day in and day out and sacrifices anything not related to moto. I'm sure friends and family suffer as their time is limited beacuse of the schedule and dedication to his chosen sport.

MXDN comes up and he wants to race. He's not paid to race, not paid endorsements, not paid to win. Why is he there, where is the reward? He is willing to sacrifice more of his time and resources to show up and race a distinguished event that during his regular season, would normally make him several hundred thousand dollars. Does he show up in shape, does he train prior to the event, is he giving 100% before during and after? Why not reward that? He is riding for free and there based on pride just like the other 2 riders and you can't put a price on that type of motivation, but you want to throw that aside for anyone that doesn't ride the outdoors, seems fair I guess?
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5/6/2009 9:13pm
Pro's don't ride for free.
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for the americans, it's almost a no-win situation..... if they win, big flipp'n deal, they are expected to do so....... if they lose, there is hell to pay......

for the euro's it's an awesome chance at getting that dream american ride they've been wanting..... if they lose, no big deal, they are expect to.....
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It is a little bit of all 3, mr. ellie.
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aminkman wrote:
Pro's don't ride for free.
Show me a paid contract that includes the MXDN. Thats what I thought. They aren't getting paid a portion of salary to ride MXDN, there is no factory contingency for it either. Keep looking dumb.
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5/7/2009 12:37am Edited Date/Time 5/7/2009 12:39am
Well,first off it's the Motocross of Nations. Period. Guys who race MX for their country. If you don't race MX,you don't race the MXoN. Period. I understand wanting to see James race. The world wants to see him,as do I. He's the fastest guy on a bike period.But if he can't race for his country here,I can see not using him for the MXoN. Getting the accolades for racing one race and not representing IN your own country doesn't fly with me. We can still win with a third tier team. If we ever have an SX of nations,he'd be the first team member.JMO of course. I love watching James ride. He's magic on a bike.
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gt80rider wrote:
for the americans, it's almost a no-win situation..... if they win, big flipp'n deal, they are expected to do so....... if they lose, there is hell...
for the americans, it's almost a no-win situation..... if they win, big flipp'n deal, they are expected to do so....... if they lose, there is hell to pay......

for the euro's it's an awesome chance at getting that dream american ride they've been wanting..... if they lose, no big deal, they are expect to.....
if it was europe v america, europe would win but its not you need to learn europe is not a country.
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5/7/2009 5:53am
stewar already stated to decline an invitation for the mxdn if he doesnt ride any outdoors.
5/7/2009 6:01am
Skip it. It's an insignificant one-off race that is just a burden for teams and riders. I don't think it really does much for exposure or to grow the sport, at least not in the US. The X-games would be a much better event in terms of exposure and reward for the athletes for factories to throw their support behind.
5/7/2009 6:05am
its huge in europe, its the biggest race of the world, with the most hype and highest attendance.

it's all about bragging rights and for once not about the money or a championship, all the riders can go WFO becuz its the last race of the season and they dont have to worry about a points deficit or lead.

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