Does Anybody Know If Kawasaki Is Letting Eli Tomac Race At Ironman This Weekend?

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deluxeman 8/24/2019 4:10am
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Kawasaki covered for Tomac and Adam. Neither wanted to go. Tomac didn’t want to get his ass waxed again by an injured Herlings and Adam has a 450 to learn how to ride.

I really am glad Tomac isn’t going. The kids a head case when the pressure is really on. At least the team that is going wants to go and will work hard to win. I think the team we have is a really good team and if you can keep Anderson out of Amsterdam long enough to dry him out they should be a podium threat.
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I’ve worked for 4 corporations in the last 14 yrs. with the last 2 being international. At the end of the day it is about the mighty $. I do miss the 80’s & 90’s as it seemed like simpler times to me before I got tainted by the Corp. greed..
I don’t believe Et1 or AC92 had a choice in the “business decision”. Just my $.02..
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Tomac: $300,000 for an Outdoor National Win!

Tomac: $10,000 for a win but less threads made about him at Vital if he races the MXON!
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theprizefighter 8/24/2019 8:54am
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GangGreen wrote:
[b]I wonder if any top rider would go if the schedule put the MXdesNations BEFORE the end of the AMA Outdoor Motocross season?[/b] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/08/24/368108/s1200_MXdesNations1989.jpg[/img]
I wonder if any top rider would go if the schedule put the MXdesNations BEFORE the end of the AMA Outdoor Motocross season?


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It doesn't matter when the MXoN takes place anymore. There will always be a new excuse. This is a one way street for the sport in...
It doesn't matter when the MXoN takes place anymore. There will always be a new excuse.

This is a one way street for the sport in the US.
Somewhere along the line the corporations started caring more about business, and money, and investments than racing, pride and love of the sport and now the riders are starting having the same mindset.

The lengths some countries go to, and an astonishing amount of work to get their riders to the event, and in a lot of cases knowing that they might now even qualify for the A final, shows you what the sport is really about.
Not just somewhere along the line, but right about the time they started losing.
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theprizefighter wrote:
Not just somewhere along the line, but right about the time they started losing.
You aren't fooling anyone, Jiff. Go take your Luongo shit elsewhere.
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Let it go dude...
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Harry Backmon wrote:
Does this really need to go on? Rupe, as previously stated, you have my respect and admiration, but lately you've just been...off. I just don't get...
Does this really need to go on? Rupe, as previously stated, you have my respect and admiration, but lately you've just been...off. I just don't get being so consumed by something you can't possibly control. But bang on guys. Let it all out. Someone should bring Herlings into this thread to complete the stupidity.
Zooki wrote:
I'll bring up Herlings to complete the stupidity... I wonder if everyone would be defending KTM/Herlings if KTM held Herlings out of a US-based MXdN so...
I'll bring up Herlings to complete the stupidity...

I wonder if everyone would be defending KTM/Herlings if KTM held Herlings out of a US-based MXdN so he could be ready for the Paris Supercross? Would Herlings even allow something like this to happen, or would he insist on representing his country?
Comparing Herlings prepping for the Paris SX to Tomac's situation? Really?
It's not just about prepping for the MEC, it's about prepping for a HUGE and prestigious supercross series that involves huge money to be made. Huge money that Kawasaki pays Tomac to do his best to win. It's also about having a little bit of time off that he needs. The Paris supercross isn't even comparable to a pit bike race in the parking lot of a single ama supercross, as far as prestige and priority to Kawasaki. There is no fair or logical way to make a comparison between those two riders and their situations.

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theprizefighter 8/24/2019 9:49am
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Harry Backmon wrote:
Does this really need to go on? Rupe, as previously stated, you have my respect and admiration, but lately you've just been...off. I just don't get...
Does this really need to go on? Rupe, as previously stated, you have my respect and admiration, but lately you've just been...off. I just don't get being so consumed by something you can't possibly control. But bang on guys. Let it all out. Someone should bring Herlings into this thread to complete the stupidity.
Zooki wrote:
I'll bring up Herlings to complete the stupidity... I wonder if everyone would be defending KTM/Herlings if KTM held Herlings out of a US-based MXdN so...
I'll bring up Herlings to complete the stupidity...

I wonder if everyone would be defending KTM/Herlings if KTM held Herlings out of a US-based MXdN so he could be ready for the Paris Supercross? Would Herlings even allow something like this to happen, or would he insist on representing his country?
Ranman68 wrote:
Comparing Herlings prepping for the Paris SX to Tomac's situation? Really? It's not just about prepping for the MEC, it's about prepping for a HUGE and...
Comparing Herlings prepping for the Paris SX to Tomac's situation? Really?
It's not just about prepping for the MEC, it's about prepping for a HUGE and prestigious supercross series that involves huge money to be made. Huge money that Kawasaki pays Tomac to do his best to win. It's also about having a little bit of time off that he needs. The Paris supercross isn't even comparable to a pit bike race in the parking lot of a single ama supercross, as far as prestige and priority to Kawasaki. There is no fair or logical way to make a comparison between those two riders and their situations.

Excuses.
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harescrambled 8/24/2019 10:04am
8/24/2019 10:04am
theprizefighter wrote:
I think Rupert brings up a good point that very few want to address. I personally think it was a mutual decision between Kawasaki and Tomac...
I think Rupert brings up a good point that very few want to address. I personally think it was a mutual decision between Kawasaki and Tomac because Tomac doesn't want to face off with Herlings in the sand. On a ormal track, I think Tomac can be just as fast, but at this point, Herlings has him beat in his mind.

Now my regular downvoters can do their thing.

I'm gonna laugh my till my sides split if our "b team" goes out and wins it
theprizefighter 8/24/2019 10:29am
8/24/2019 10:29am
theprizefighter wrote:
I think Rupert brings up a good point that very few want to address. I personally think it was a mutual decision between Kawasaki and Tomac...
I think Rupert brings up a good point that very few want to address. I personally think it was a mutual decision between Kawasaki and Tomac because Tomac doesn't want to face off with Herlings in the sand. On a ormal track, I think Tomac can be just as fast, but at this point, Herlings has him beat in his mind.

Now my regular downvoters can do their thing.
harescrambled wrote:

I'm gonna laugh my till my sides split if our "b team" goes out and wins it
I'll cheer for them if they win.
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Rupert X wrote:
And, I [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/08/23/368022/s1200_EC61AF39_715A_430B_B38A_EBA6E4832703.jpg[/img]don’t think I need to tell you -that KHI is an international corporation -with an annual yearly revenue of over a trillion yen, that...
And, I don’t think I need to tell you -that KHI is an international corporation -with an annual yearly revenue of over a trillion yen, that has worldwide interests and, would benefit far greatly, on a global scale - by supporting its riders, at an Olympics style event, than coming up with some “ business decisions” bullshit, thereby making their riders scapegoats, to thousands of worldwide fans, that would otherwise thoroughly enjoy seeing Mr. Tomac and Mr. Cincaurulo - competing at Assen, for their country. Whew.
Why would you post a 1998 Emig photo? Surly you know that after Millville that year DC asked him about the Des Nations in which Emig said he couldn’t go if selected as he needed a surgery. I can’t believe your not dragging him through the mud! You gone soft, Why are you so obsessed with Tomac? You secretly have a shrine to this guy? Hannah, Stanton, Bradshaw, RC, Stew, Windham, Dungey, Webb etc etc have all turned the race down and yet your complete obsession with Tomac blinds you to this. Start dragging RCs name through the mud! 222 skipped out in 15, what chance did Italy have with out him? Roczens skipped em before, Dylan this year, why was Gajser not there in 16? Or does it only count when Americans skip? You cry like toddler that’s been told no. This is not war, it’s sport.
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theprizefighter 8/24/2019 3:16pm
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Not going to have surgery, or to get married is acceptable. Not going because you just don't want to is big time loser stuff, no matter who the rider is.
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Rupert X wrote:
And, I [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/08/23/368022/s1200_EC61AF39_715A_430B_B38A_EBA6E4832703.jpg[/img]don’t think I need to tell you -that KHI is an international corporation -with an annual yearly revenue of over a trillion yen, that...
And, I don’t think I need to tell you -that KHI is an international corporation -with an annual yearly revenue of over a trillion yen, that has worldwide interests and, would benefit far greatly, on a global scale - by supporting its riders, at an Olympics style event, than coming up with some “ business decisions” bullshit, thereby making their riders scapegoats, to thousands of worldwide fans, that would otherwise thoroughly enjoy seeing Mr. Tomac and Mr. Cincaurulo - competing at Assen, for their country. Whew.
Park Boys wrote:
Why would you post a 1998 Emig photo? Surly you know that after Millville that year DC asked him about the Des Nations in which Emig...
Why would you post a 1998 Emig photo? Surly you know that after Millville that year DC asked him about the Des Nations in which Emig said he couldn’t go if selected as he needed a surgery. I can’t believe your not dragging him through the mud! You gone soft, Why are you so obsessed with Tomac? You secretly have a shrine to this guy? Hannah, Stanton, Bradshaw, RC, Stew, Windham, Dungey, Webb etc etc have all turned the race down and yet your complete obsession with Tomac blinds you to this. Start dragging RCs name through the mud! 222 skipped out in 15, what chance did Italy have with out him? Roczens skipped em before, Dylan this year, why was Gajser not there in 16? Or does it only count when Americans skip? You cry like toddler that’s been told no. This is not war, it’s sport.
I don’t think many have turned it down as many times as Tomac has. ‘16,’17 and now ‘19. Even last year I’m sure he would’ve declined if it wasn’t in the USA and although he was there, you never really got the impression that he really wanted to do it
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Rupert X wrote:
And, I [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/08/23/368022/s1200_EC61AF39_715A_430B_B38A_EBA6E4832703.jpg[/img]don’t think I need to tell you -that KHI is an international corporation -with an annual yearly revenue of over a trillion yen, that...
And, I don’t think I need to tell you -that KHI is an international corporation -with an annual yearly revenue of over a trillion yen, that has worldwide interests and, would benefit far greatly, on a global scale - by supporting its riders, at an Olympics style event, than coming up with some “ business decisions” bullshit, thereby making their riders scapegoats, to thousands of worldwide fans, that would otherwise thoroughly enjoy seeing Mr. Tomac and Mr. Cincaurulo - competing at Assen, for their country. Whew.
Park Boys wrote:
Why would you post a 1998 Emig photo? Surly you know that after Millville that year DC asked him about the Des Nations in which Emig...
Why would you post a 1998 Emig photo? Surly you know that after Millville that year DC asked him about the Des Nations in which Emig said he couldn’t go if selected as he needed a surgery. I can’t believe your not dragging him through the mud! You gone soft, Why are you so obsessed with Tomac? You secretly have a shrine to this guy? Hannah, Stanton, Bradshaw, RC, Stew, Windham, Dungey, Webb etc etc have all turned the race down and yet your complete obsession with Tomac blinds you to this. Start dragging RCs name through the mud! 222 skipped out in 15, what chance did Italy have with out him? Roczens skipped em before, Dylan this year, why was Gajser not there in 16? Or does it only count when Americans skip? You cry like toddler that’s been told no. This is not war, it’s sport.
RG1 wrote:
I don’t think many have turned it down as many times as Tomac has. ‘16,’17 and now ‘19. Even last year I’m sure he would’ve declined...
I don’t think many have turned it down as many times as Tomac has. ‘16,’17 and now ‘19. Even last year I’m sure he would’ve declined if it wasn’t in the USA and although he was there, you never really got the impression that he really wanted to do it
Nice speculation!
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jorgechavez 8/24/2019 4:01pm
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RG1 wrote:
I don’t think many have turned it down as many times as Tomac has. ‘16,’17 and now ‘19. Even last year I’m sure he would’ve declined...
I don’t think many have turned it down as many times as Tomac has. ‘16,’17 and now ‘19. Even last year I’m sure he would’ve declined if it wasn’t in the USA and although he was there, you never really got the impression that he really wanted to do it
Except the guy in your avatar of course who turned it down in ‘14, ‘15, ‘16 and now ‘19.
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RG1 wrote:
I don’t think many have turned it down as many times as Tomac has. ‘16,’17 and now ‘19. Even last year I’m sure he would’ve declined...
I don’t think many have turned it down as many times as Tomac has. ‘16,’17 and now ‘19. Even last year I’m sure he would’ve declined if it wasn’t in the USA and although he was there, you never really got the impression that he really wanted to do it
jorgechavez wrote:
Except the guy in your avatar of course who turned it down in ‘14, ‘15, ‘16 and now ‘19.
I’ve criticised him every time he’s turned it down also, I haven’t agreed with that. A lot of German fans make the effort to go to races in the US to support him, I think he could have made more of an effort in the past to ride for them.
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deluxeman wrote:
Kawasaki covered for Tomac and Adam. Neither wanted to go. Tomac didn’t want to get his ass waxed again by an injured Herlings and Adam has...
Kawasaki covered for Tomac and Adam. Neither wanted to go. Tomac didn’t want to get his ass waxed again by an injured Herlings and Adam has a 450 to learn how to ride.

I really am glad Tomac isn’t going. The kids a head case when the pressure is really on. At least the team that is going wants to go and will work hard to win. I think the team we have is a really good team and if you can keep Anderson out of Amsterdam long enough to dry him out they should be a podium threat.
You put “injured Herlings “ so if he does bad you have your excuse on stand by.
Face it the Western Hemisphere isn’t following the mxgp formula and the mxgp races are not being ran over here at all now.
It is easy to see the riders focus in the USA is sx mx mec. And lots of training the mxon is a great race but you can’t race them all.
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Rupert X wrote:
And, I [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/08/23/368022/s1200_EC61AF39_715A_430B_B38A_EBA6E4832703.jpg[/img]don’t think I need to tell you -that KHI is an international corporation -with an annual yearly revenue of over a trillion yen, that...
And, I don’t think I need to tell you -that KHI is an international corporation -with an annual yearly revenue of over a trillion yen, that has worldwide interests and, would benefit far greatly, on a global scale - by supporting its riders, at an Olympics style event, than coming up with some “ business decisions” bullshit, thereby making their riders scapegoats, to thousands of worldwide fans, that would otherwise thoroughly enjoy seeing Mr. Tomac and Mr. Cincaurulo - competing at Assen, for their country. Whew.
Park Boys wrote:
Why would you post a 1998 Emig photo? Surly you know that after Millville that year DC asked him about the Des Nations in which Emig...
Why would you post a 1998 Emig photo? Surly you know that after Millville that year DC asked him about the Des Nations in which Emig said he couldn’t go if selected as he needed a surgery. I can’t believe your not dragging him through the mud! You gone soft, Why are you so obsessed with Tomac? You secretly have a shrine to this guy? Hannah, Stanton, Bradshaw, RC, Stew, Windham, Dungey, Webb etc etc have all turned the race down and yet your complete obsession with Tomac blinds you to this. Start dragging RCs name through the mud! 222 skipped out in 15, what chance did Italy have with out him? Roczens skipped em before, Dylan this year, why was Gajser not there in 16? Or does it only count when Americans skip? You cry like toddler that’s been told no. This is not war, it’s sport.
Allow me to address your concerns: 1. The Emig pic is because I’m a fan, took that pic at Kenworthy’s and I love it. He’s on a Kawasaki. 2. Yes, I’ve gone soft. I’m 60. Come to my casa, we will do pull ups, push ups, sit ups, race pit bikes and drink beer, then you tell me who’s soft. 3. Yeah I’ve got a shrine to every pro. Check out my garage. Huge fan. 4. Please show me when I’ve dragged any riders name “ through the mud”? 5. I fully realize other American riders have opted not to ride, I’ve been following the sport for a couple years now. 6. I could give a fat rats ass what other country’s riders do, not my concern. 7. I’ll cry like a toddler if I want, I’m retired. 8. Yeah, I give you that, it’s sport, not war, but -I’m an American and we’ve been losing at this MXDN for awhile and yeah, hell yeah, if we had my way, we would do things a hell of a lot different. In summation, if I may: Big fan of Eli, Adam and every rider out there (pretty much) - and I wish our boys: Justin, Zach and El Hombre - the best of luck and, I’m behind them all the way.
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Rupert X wrote:
I’m not one to stir things up, but it sure seems like a risky move , what with the 450 title all wrapped up- and the...
I’m not one to stir things up, but it sure seems like a risky move , what with the 450 title all wrapped up- and the MEC in Vegas just minutes away....? Oh, it’s a business decision ? My bad.
when middle aged men try WAY too hard to be relevant on a website where maybe 10 people will ever see him in person

EDIT: I see above that you stated that you are 60. Sadder that you are 60 and act 16.
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Zooki wrote:
I'll bring up Herlings to complete the stupidity... I wonder if everyone would be defending KTM/Herlings if KTM held Herlings out of a US-based MXdN so...
I'll bring up Herlings to complete the stupidity...

I wonder if everyone would be defending KTM/Herlings if KTM held Herlings out of a US-based MXdN so he could be ready for the Paris Supercross? Would Herlings even allow something like this to happen, or would he insist on representing his country?
Ranman68 wrote:
Comparing Herlings prepping for the Paris SX to Tomac's situation? Really? It's not just about prepping for the MEC, it's about prepping for a HUGE and...
Comparing Herlings prepping for the Paris SX to Tomac's situation? Really?
It's not just about prepping for the MEC, it's about prepping for a HUGE and prestigious supercross series that involves huge money to be made. Huge money that Kawasaki pays Tomac to do his best to win. It's also about having a little bit of time off that he needs. The Paris supercross isn't even comparable to a pit bike race in the parking lot of a single ama supercross, as far as prestige and priority to Kawasaki. There is no fair or logical way to make a comparison between those two riders and their situations.

theprizefighter wrote:
Excuses.
You've been giving that same, biased OPINION and blasting it multiple times in multiple threads. What's worse is that it's only what you think or want to believe. It isn't possible for you to know it to be true. Yet...you keep repeating it and replying to fact based comments with that same OPINION.
What do hope to accomplish with it? What's the end goal? Are you hoping that Tomac reads these comments and becomes aware that you are on to him and his lies about how he'd race the mxon in Assen if selected. That you KNOW he's just "scared" and doesn't want to race it. That this "Kawasaki won't support the effort" is just Kawasaki taking the fall for him and allowing him an excuse to get out of it. Is that it? You're getting nowhere with Tomac fans, so that's got to be it, right?
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