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If you ban guns, what would the penalty be?
The penalty for murder can be the death penalty. So do you think someone that would risk that, would not be willing to risk the much smaller penalty for having an illegal gun??
Or do you think that if guns are illegal, they won’t be available to the thieves?
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As of Dec. 25, the medical examiner had declared 539 deaths in Chicago in 2018 as homicides. The Sun-Times has counted 542 murders in Chicago in 2018 as of Dec. 25. The Chicago Police Department has said 555 people have been murdered in the city as of Dec. 23
Great local, district, and state leadership you guys got there. Glad you guys serve as a model city for the rest of us pheasants with our archaic peacemakers.
I said if I had my way I'd ban them, I didn't say anything about taking your gun. If I had my way there would also be no cancer, common cold, war or candy crush. But we can't have it all
The point is, you make guns less readily available the gun deaths reduce.
But yeah, also they banned guns in the UK and the gun crime dropped. Guns are less readily available, so people can't get them as easily. I am not saying that they don't commit crimes using a new weapon of choice, but its a lot harder to stab 50 people in a theater than it is to shoot them.
Following the ban gun crime rose sharply for the next 10 yrs, it then went back down again for next 10 and over the last 3 - 4 has started to increase (along with knife and acid attacks of course), actually increasing sharply by 23% over 2016/17. So the data is hardly conclusive one way or the other. In NI not only do they permit handguns but firearm ownership is much higher per capita. Gun crime via legal ownership is extremely rare - I believe broadly similar to the mainland.
Again, the real difference between the UK (or any other western country - many of which allow the same firearms and in comparatively large numbers) and America isn't the bans, it's the vetting. The problem is that the U.S is so far gone, it's in such a different situation to any other western example, that what perhaps works in say France etc, has almost zero chance of working in America (imo). edit.
I suggest you start with what impacts you can improve in your own home, and then shift your focus to the epidemic of poverty and crime in Chicago. After all, the world that you live in is right in between your two eyeballs. Hearing about murder in the streets of London albeit sad, makes no immediate impact on myself, nor the community I live in.
When you speak of a country of high crime, you are generalizing, and nobody likes generalizations. Cities need be judged on a case by case basis.
You won’t change a whole countries issues (and gun crime is a national issue not just a local one) with baby steps and shaking hands with local people. To be clear here though I am not trying to control or mandate anything. I was asked why I called out the AR-15 and I replied. I then said if I had my way all guns would be banned. No one is going to listen to ‘my way’ but we are all entitled to have our opinion. It doesn’t mean I’ve tried to control yours.
London is relevant because it’s a massive city, with a population greater than the likes of Chicago which has a better policy on gun control or ownership and does not have the gun crime that US cities far smaller than it have.
Nobody is changing anyone else’s mind so let’s all save our time.
I hate to see any kind of violance, People aint right anymore.
Btw not all of us lefties are so bad. You might find a few of us at the track, or range
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