Dylan Ferrandis on the MXON and the US chances

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Watching the GP's last week, there is no 450 rider in AMA Motocross right now that could hang with the top GP guys at that track...
Watching the GP's last week, there is no 450 rider in AMA Motocross right now that could hang with the top GP guys at that track or any GP track. Period. Not even Tomac on his best day. 250's...forget about it. Prado is maybe the greatest 250 guy ever. It's just a different level of skill. So for guys to mention "sand", yea, it's a big deal. Our tracks are nowhere near as beat up and knarly as GP tracks. I still hope we go to MXoN and race. I've always enjoyed seeing how the world stacks up against each other.
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The riders on this side of the pond have as much info to help at Assen as the guys on the other side have for SX. Assen and SX are both purpose built temporary tracks. Again there is a reason these guys would rather enjoy their offseason after 29 rounds of racing and i completely get it. I wish Marv Dylan Kenny were going but its understandable why when no mxgp riders even attempted monster cup last year. MXoN is a much bigger deal in the mxgp paddock unfortunately, i mean arent the mxgp leaders the ones that organize the mxon?? If the ama organizers were in charge and put the race on a track over here that isnt comparable to anything mxgp does i bet there would be less participation from that side of the globe.
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I think our guys should just go over there and go balls to the wall .if they crash ,big freakin deal I get tired of the team orders like, ride good but be safe .just let the guys hang it all out that's what the euros do if you win you win. I don't see any of the GP guys holding back .if I was at that race I'd wanna kick the shit out of every dang guy I could that's basically what it's all about. Do you think herlings just wants to win by 5 seconds h*** no he wants to beat everybody by 5 minutes. I would love to see our guys put in a performance like Tomac dod years back when he was riding for Honda that race where he crashed at the beginning and almost came back and won everything that's the heart I wanna see
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BD233 wrote:
Watching the GP's last week, there is no 450 rider in AMA Motocross right now that could hang with the top GP guys at that track...
Watching the GP's last week, there is no 450 rider in AMA Motocross right now that could hang with the top GP guys at that track or any GP track. Period. Not even Tomac on his best day. 250's...forget about it. Prado is maybe the greatest 250 guy ever. It's just a different level of skill. So for guys to mention "sand", yea, it's a big deal. Our tracks are nowhere near as beat up and knarly as GP tracks. I still hope we go to MXoN and race. I've always enjoyed seeing how the world stacks up against each other.
Tomac would top 3 all day long and win some. Motos,. Prado is a badazz. But. Rv rode a 250 f faster than anyone. Budds creek, he destroyed the field, and at the top of their game rv would handle prado. Imo.
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BD233 wrote:
Watching the GP's last week, there is no 450 rider in AMA Motocross right now that could hang with the top GP guys at that track...
Watching the GP's last week, there is no 450 rider in AMA Motocross right now that could hang with the top GP guys at that track or any GP track. Period. Not even Tomac on his best day. 250's...forget about it. Prado is maybe the greatest 250 guy ever. It's just a different level of skill. So for guys to mention "sand", yea, it's a big deal. Our tracks are nowhere near as beat up and knarly as GP tracks. I still hope we go to MXoN and race. I've always enjoyed seeing how the world stacks up against each other.
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Tomac would top 3 all day long and win some. Motos,. Prado is a badazz. But. Rv rode a 250 f faster than anyone. Budds creek...
Tomac would top 3 all day long and win some. Motos,. Prado is a badazz. But. Rv rode a 250 f faster than anyone. Budds creek, he destroyed the field, and at the top of their game rv would handle prado. Imo.
Tomac would get smoked in Europe and RV is retired.
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Unfortunately everything in life changes over time. Every mxgp race i watch they show mxon on their schedule but i have never seen it on the ama schedule. Again i wish more emphasis was put on this race but with the schedule and timing its already in a rough spot for any ama rider. Then you put it on a track like assen over all the other tracks you have to choose from and this is what you get. When they scheduled the race at assen they smiled at eachother at just the thought of how much of a mxgp circle jerk the race would be. Plus its during football season, American football season not soccer again another example of how this country has different priorities. These guys are probably more worried about their fantasy football league bragging rights then mxon bragging rights when its completely set up for racers of another series.
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BD233 wrote:
Watching the GP's last week, there is no 450 rider in AMA Motocross right now that could hang with the top GP guys at that track...
Watching the GP's last week, there is no 450 rider in AMA Motocross right now that could hang with the top GP guys at that track or any GP track. Period. Not even Tomac on his best day. 250's...forget about it. Prado is maybe the greatest 250 guy ever. It's just a different level of skill. So for guys to mention "sand", yea, it's a big deal. Our tracks are nowhere near as beat up and knarly as GP tracks. I still hope we go to MXoN and race. I've always enjoyed seeing how the world stacks up against each other.
mxb2 wrote:
Tomac would top 3 all day long and win some. Motos,. Prado is a badazz. But. Rv rode a 250 f faster than anyone. Budds creek...
Tomac would top 3 all day long and win some. Motos,. Prado is a badazz. But. Rv rode a 250 f faster than anyone. Budds creek, he destroyed the field, and at the top of their game rv would handle prado. Imo.
BD233 wrote:
Tomac would get smoked in Europe and RV is retired.
You said prado, best 250f rider ever. I was making a rv comparison. Yea tomac might crack the top 20 over there. Lol. Ok.
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BD233 wrote:
Watching the GP's last week, there is no 450 rider in AMA Motocross right now that could hang with the top GP guys at that track...
Watching the GP's last week, there is no 450 rider in AMA Motocross right now that could hang with the top GP guys at that track or any GP track. Period. Not even Tomac on his best day. 250's...forget about it. Prado is maybe the greatest 250 guy ever. It's just a different level of skill. So for guys to mention "sand", yea, it's a big deal. Our tracks are nowhere near as beat up and knarly as GP tracks. I still hope we go to MXoN and race. I've always enjoyed seeing how the world stacks up against each other.
mxb2 wrote:
Tomac would top 3 all day long and win some. Motos,. Prado is a badazz. But. Rv rode a 250 f faster than anyone. Budds creek...
Tomac would top 3 all day long and win some. Motos,. Prado is a badazz. But. Rv rode a 250 f faster than anyone. Budds creek, he destroyed the field, and at the top of their game rv would handle prado. Imo.
BD233 wrote:
Tomac would get smoked in Europe and RV is retired.
Eli is 5 of 6 in gp motos here and 2 of the 3 tracks he had never seen before, charlotte and ww. Id imagine his win percentage may drop a tad overseas but he hands the gp guys their asses on the regular. And please im sick of hearing about herlings this herlings that whens the last time that guy rode a full season cause obviously the guy has issues not riding over his head. I guess we can speculate all day but facts are Eli is 5-1 in gp motos and the guy everyone claims will handle him cant stay off the injured list, those are the facts feel free to dispute them if you choose...
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We're definitely setting up for a lot of crow... One side or the other. Wink
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mxb2 wrote:
Tomac would top 3 all day long and win some. Motos,. Prado is a badazz. But. Rv rode a 250 f faster than anyone. Budds creek...
Tomac would top 3 all day long and win some. Motos,. Prado is a badazz. But. Rv rode a 250 f faster than anyone. Budds creek, he destroyed the field, and at the top of their game rv would handle prado. Imo.
BD233 wrote:
Tomac would get smoked in Europe and RV is retired.
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Eli is 5 of 6 in gp motos here and 2 of the 3 tracks he had never seen before, charlotte and ww. Id imagine his...
Eli is 5 of 6 in gp motos here and 2 of the 3 tracks he had never seen before, charlotte and ww. Id imagine his win percentage may drop a tad overseas but he hands the gp guys their asses on the regular. And please im sick of hearing about herlings this herlings that whens the last time that guy rode a full season cause obviously the guy has issues not riding over his head. I guess we can speculate all day but facts are Eli is 5-1 in gp motos and the guy everyone claims will handle him cant stay off the injured list, those are the facts feel free to dispute them if you choose...
Seeing as you’re taking in facts here’s the results from the last time they raced together. Finished well over 1 minute behind. Not a good look for someone who’s supposed to be faster is it?
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Countering cherry picking with cherry picking... lol
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BD233 wrote:
Tomac would get smoked in Europe and RV is retired.
biscuit11 wrote:
Eli is 5 of 6 in gp motos here and 2 of the 3 tracks he had never seen before, charlotte and ww. Id imagine his...
Eli is 5 of 6 in gp motos here and 2 of the 3 tracks he had never seen before, charlotte and ww. Id imagine his win percentage may drop a tad overseas but he hands the gp guys their asses on the regular. And please im sick of hearing about herlings this herlings that whens the last time that guy rode a full season cause obviously the guy has issues not riding over his head. I guess we can speculate all day but facts are Eli is 5-1 in gp motos and the guy everyone claims will handle him cant stay off the injured list, those are the facts feel free to dispute them if you choose...
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Seeing as you’re taking in facts here’s the results from the last time they raced together. Finished well over 1 minute behind. Not a good look...
Seeing as you’re taking in facts here’s the results from the last time they raced together. Finished well over 1 minute behind. Not a good look for someone who’s supposed to be faster is it?
Other facts to those results are details that include gate pick, amount of time on the bike they were on, and what event was the following weekend. The only true showdown they have had on neutral terms with no championship at stake for anyone was WW. They both won a moto...
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zehn 8/7/2019 2:43pm
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presto170 wrote:
Seeing as you’re taking in facts here’s the results from the last time they raced together. Finished well over 1 minute behind. Not a good look...
Seeing as you’re taking in facts here’s the results from the last time they raced together. Finished well over 1 minute behind. Not a good look for someone who’s supposed to be faster is it?
Tomac is on track to earn his third MX championship in a row. Herlings is working on what, his 3rd title of Fastest Man on the Couch in 4 years?
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presto170 8/7/2019 2:52pm
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presto170 wrote:
Seeing as you’re taking in facts here’s the results from the last time they raced together. Finished well over 1 minute behind. Not a good look...
Seeing as you’re taking in facts here’s the results from the last time they raced together. Finished well over 1 minute behind. Not a good look for someone who’s supposed to be faster is it?
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Tomac is on track to earn his third MX championship in a row. Herlings is working on what, his 3rd title of Fastest Man on the...
Tomac is on track to earn his third MX championship in a row. Herlings is working on what, his 3rd title of Fastest Man on the Couch in 4 years?
1 mx2 & 1 mx1 world title in the last 4 years chief
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presto170 8/7/2019 2:54pm
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Eli is 5 of 6 in gp motos here and 2 of the 3 tracks he had never seen before, charlotte and ww. Id imagine his...
Eli is 5 of 6 in gp motos here and 2 of the 3 tracks he had never seen before, charlotte and ww. Id imagine his win percentage may drop a tad overseas but he hands the gp guys their asses on the regular. And please im sick of hearing about herlings this herlings that whens the last time that guy rode a full season cause obviously the guy has issues not riding over his head. I guess we can speculate all day but facts are Eli is 5-1 in gp motos and the guy everyone claims will handle him cant stay off the injured list, those are the facts feel free to dispute them if you choose...
presto170 wrote:
Seeing as you’re taking in facts here’s the results from the last time they raced together. Finished well over 1 minute behind. Not a good look...
Seeing as you’re taking in facts here’s the results from the last time they raced together. Finished well over 1 minute behind. Not a good look for someone who’s supposed to be faster is it?
biscuit11 wrote:
Other facts to those results are details that include gate pick, amount of time on the bike they were on, and what event was the following...
Other facts to those results are details that include gate pick, amount of time on the bike they were on, and what event was the following weekend. The only true showdown they have had on neutral terms with no championship at stake for anyone was WW. They both won a moto...
Yeah WW, herlings won the overall that day innit
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I hate comparing the 2. Just a bummer we wont see many ama guys at the mxon this year. I was really bummed when i heard the talk of no USA team at all but thankfully that doesnt look to be true. Hopefully 2020 we will see everyone fired up and ready to go!!
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presto170 wrote:
Seeing as you’re taking in facts here’s the results from the last time they raced together. Finished well over 1 minute behind. Not a good look...
Seeing as you’re taking in facts here’s the results from the last time they raced together. Finished well over 1 minute behind. Not a good look for someone who’s supposed to be faster is it?
biscuit11 wrote:
Other facts to those results are details that include gate pick, amount of time on the bike they were on, and what event was the following...
Other facts to those results are details that include gate pick, amount of time on the bike they were on, and what event was the following weekend. The only true showdown they have had on neutral terms with no championship at stake for anyone was WW. They both won a moto...
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Yeah WW, herlings won the overall that day innit
He did indeed. As Cairolli pointed out herlings was much fresher that day in the florida heat it was about race 10 of herlings season, compared to about race 18 of cairollis season and race 30 of Tomacs. Again they both won a moto, herlings inherited his lead when cairolli fell but all 3 were way faster than anyone else that day. Again i hate comparing the 3 time champ to a guy who cant find a healthy pace its just comical to me.
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presto170 8/7/2019 3:08pm
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biscuit11 wrote:
Other facts to those results are details that include gate pick, amount of time on the bike they were on, and what event was the following...
Other facts to those results are details that include gate pick, amount of time on the bike they were on, and what event was the following weekend. The only true showdown they have had on neutral terms with no championship at stake for anyone was WW. They both won a moto...
presto170 wrote:
Yeah WW, herlings won the overall that day innit
biscuit11 wrote:
He did indeed. As Cairolli pointed out herlings was much fresher that day in the florida heat it was about race 10 of herlings season, compared...
He did indeed. As Cairolli pointed out herlings was much fresher that day in the florida heat it was about race 10 of herlings season, compared to about race 18 of cairollis season and race 30 of Tomacs. Again they both won a moto, herlings inherited his lead when cairolli fell but all 3 were way faster than anyone else that day. Again i hate comparing the 3 time champ to a guy who cant find a healthy pace its just comical to me.
As I told you before that wasn’t race 10 of his season as he races pretty much every weekend in Europe in the Dutch/Belgium’s/British championship so it was probably race 20 something of his year. Whatever though you have your opinion we all seen what happened at red bud.
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presto170 wrote:
Yeah WW, herlings won the overall that day innit
biscuit11 wrote:
He did indeed. As Cairolli pointed out herlings was much fresher that day in the florida heat it was about race 10 of herlings season, compared...
He did indeed. As Cairolli pointed out herlings was much fresher that day in the florida heat it was about race 10 of herlings season, compared to about race 18 of cairollis season and race 30 of Tomacs. Again they both won a moto, herlings inherited his lead when cairolli fell but all 3 were way faster than anyone else that day. Again i hate comparing the 3 time champ to a guy who cant find a healthy pace its just comical to me.
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As I told you before that wasn’t race 10 of his season as he races pretty much every weekend in Europe in the Dutch/Belgium’s/British championship so...
As I told you before that wasn’t race 10 of his season as he races pretty much every weekend in Europe in the Dutch/Belgium’s/British championship so it was probably race 20 something of his year. Whatever though you have your opinion we all seen what happened at red bud.
Herlings was hurt for the start of the season surprise surprise that was the point of cairollis comment about him being fresher...
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presto170 8/7/2019 3:16pm
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biscuit11 wrote:
He did indeed. As Cairolli pointed out herlings was much fresher that day in the florida heat it was about race 10 of herlings season, compared...
He did indeed. As Cairolli pointed out herlings was much fresher that day in the florida heat it was about race 10 of herlings season, compared to about race 18 of cairollis season and race 30 of Tomacs. Again they both won a moto, herlings inherited his lead when cairolli fell but all 3 were way faster than anyone else that day. Again i hate comparing the 3 time champ to a guy who cant find a healthy pace its just comical to me.
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As I told you before that wasn’t race 10 of his season as he races pretty much every weekend in Europe in the Dutch/Belgium’s/British championship so...
As I told you before that wasn’t race 10 of his season as he races pretty much every weekend in Europe in the Dutch/Belgium’s/British championship so it was probably race 20 something of his year. Whatever though you have your opinion we all seen what happened at red bud.
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Herlings was hurt for the start of the season surprise surprise that was the point of cairollis comment about him being fresher...
Yeah & tony was like 31 at that point hence the fresher comment, Jeff was 22 & tomac was 24 so they shouldn’t really be too bad imo
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I’m 100 percent with Ferrandis. What’s the point?

Go over there, and ride a unfamiliar track, on a surface you may not be use to, or comfortable on.

Best case scenario you go over, and do well. Yay!!!! You gained lots of pride for your country, and maybe gained a couple new fans!!!

Worst case you get a career ending injury. Maybe a season long one. Heck even a few month long one wrecks your training for the upcoming season, and puts you in a hole to start the season.

All for pride, and maybe a couple new fans? Give me a break. Not a single one of you would risk your careers, and money making abilities for something so insignificant, and if you would I hope to god your not supporting families, because they deserve better then that.
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presto170 wrote:
As I told you before that wasn’t race 10 of his season as he races pretty much every weekend in Europe in the Dutch/Belgium’s/British championship so...
As I told you before that wasn’t race 10 of his season as he races pretty much every weekend in Europe in the Dutch/Belgium’s/British championship so it was probably race 20 something of his year. Whatever though you have your opinion we all seen what happened at red bud.
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Herlings was hurt for the start of the season surprise surprise that was the point of cairollis comment about him being fresher...
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Yeah & tony was like 31 at that point hence the fresher comment, Jeff was 22 & tomac was 24 so they shouldn’t really be too...
Yeah & tony was like 31 at that point hence the fresher comment, Jeff was 22 & tomac was 24 so they shouldn’t really be too bad imo
The Florida heat is no joke did you see the race at WW this year?
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BD233 wrote:
Watching the GP's last week, there is no 450 rider in AMA Motocross right now that could hang with the top GP guys at that track...
Watching the GP's last week, there is no 450 rider in AMA Motocross right now that could hang with the top GP guys at that track or any GP track. Period. Not even Tomac on his best day. 250's...forget about it. Prado is maybe the greatest 250 guy ever. It's just a different level of skill. So for guys to mention "sand", yea, it's a big deal. Our tracks are nowhere near as beat up and knarly as GP tracks. I still hope we go to MXoN and race. I've always enjoyed seeing how the world stacks up against each other.
The ignorance in this is unreal. Is Red Bud the only thing you based this shit on? Ever seen any usgp's? Individual motos in mxon over the last few years? Good God.
As with anything posted that is negative about America, positive about Herlings, or negative about Tomac, you got a thumbs up from sissy boy Richard Loots.
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I hate comparing the 2. Just a bummer we wont see many ama guys at the mxon this year. I was really bummed when i heard...
I hate comparing the 2. Just a bummer we wont see many ama guys at the mxon this year. I was really bummed when i heard the talk of no USA team at all but thankfully that doesnt look to be true. Hopefully 2020 we will see everyone fired up and ready to go!!
I hope everyone is all in for Ernee... Planning on being there to see it!
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My god the stupid has reached new levels here. 95% you watch the races but don’t see a thing anyways and then you comment about them.
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BD233 wrote:
Watching the GP's last week, there is no 450 rider in AMA Motocross right now that could hang with the top GP guys at that track...
Watching the GP's last week, there is no 450 rider in AMA Motocross right now that could hang with the top GP guys at that track or any GP track. Period. Not even Tomac on his best day. 250's...forget about it. Prado is maybe the greatest 250 guy ever. It's just a different level of skill. So for guys to mention "sand", yea, it's a big deal. Our tracks are nowhere near as beat up and knarly as GP tracks. I still hope we go to MXoN and race. I've always enjoyed seeing how the world stacks up against each other.
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The ignorance in this is unreal. Is Red Bud the only thing you based this shit on? Ever seen any usgp's? Individual motos in mxon over...
The ignorance in this is unreal. Is Red Bud the only thing you based this shit on? Ever seen any usgp's? Individual motos in mxon over the last few years? Good God.
As with anything posted that is negative about America, positive about Herlings, or negative about Tomac, you got a thumbs up from sissy boy Richard Loots.
Dont think GP riders in general is faster or better.

Hard packed or a track with a harder base but with soft surface (any Florida track for example) i think Tomac is same level as Gaiser, Herlings, Cairoli with an equal start. WW ranch just an example. Anyone can win and starts, good/bad day etc determent the outcome.

On a deeper sand track like Assen or Lommel that also gets more beaten down than WW ranch, well Red Bud results will be as close as US riders can get (including "americanized" Roczen, Musquin, Ferrandis).

If a US riders does a really bad start on those tracks, dont be surprised to see them get lapped by leaders.
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motonation24 8/8/2019 1:58am
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Hopefully they put some serious time on some deep sand tracks leading up to event and come out swinging !
Less pressure this year and hopefully they surprise everyone
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The more i think about it the more im convinced that the schedule makers who chose Assen had to be aware that it would effect participation...
The more i think about it the more im convinced that the schedule makers who chose Assen had to be aware that it would effect participation from the other side of the pond. They must not have cared. I think its kind of ignorant to think it didnt cross their mind when they scheduled an event on a special kind of sand that nobody here has seen that the gp guys race on every single year...
presto170 wrote:
So the netherlands shouldn’t be able to hold a MXON because the soil they have in their country isn’t ideal for team USA? Get outta here...
So the netherlands shouldn’t be able to hold a MXON because the soil they have in their country isn’t ideal for team USA? Get outta here 😂
biscuit11 wrote:
Never said that. Lommel looked fabulous on tv this past weekend. To me the distinct different sand is similar to if last years mxon was on...
Never said that. Lommel looked fabulous on tv this past weekend. To me the distinct different sand is similar to if last years mxon was on a sx track. Again you dont need to read what im typing just look what the riders are doing... not going. The riders here have no notebook or testing on that type of track so why waste their time when the race falls at a rather inconvenient time. Why didnt the gp guys race monster cup last year when they were all already in the country?? Its the same reason nobody wants to waste their time in the assen sand. At least the monster cup pays, all the haters on here bashing team usa when a guy on the teams bank account went up a million dollars. Ignorance...
Lommel is in Belgium
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Reading this thread made me realize I need a steaming hot cup of covfefe.
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