2019 250f HELP!

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plowboy 7/19/2019 1:51pm
7/19/2019 1:51pm
plowboy wrote:
This is just my opinion but if your smoker isn't clapped out...I'd just keep it as fresh as possible and keep ticking off the races and...
This is just my opinion but if your smoker isn't clapped out...I'd just keep it as fresh as possible and keep ticking off the races and pounding out the laps. There are guys racing (or at least trying to) the nationals on 2 strokes. A smoker isn't holding anyone back in the B and C classes. It may seem that way if the guys that are beating you are on modern 4 strokes but at your level it's mostly talent...not the bike (unless you're riding a 1970's Zundapp or something).

Of course this also depends on the sandbagging factor. If you're racing C class against ex-pros and others in their fourth year of C.....then get the YZF and destroy them.
BobPA wrote:
I do not agree with this. I think it is much easier for a lower skilled rider to go faster on a 250f compared to a...
I do not agree with this. I think it is much easier for a lower skilled rider to go faster on a 250f compared to a 250 smoker. A and B riders struggle less with a 2 stroke because of talent.
You are 100% correct. The 250F is so easy to ride it's almost like cheating. I was just referring to the OP's specific situation. A beginner, maybe a limited budget with a lot to learn. His current bike is a good starting platform. If he can progress to mid-pack B or higher on this bike...the move to an F will really be appreciated. Every situation is different of course.
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JWACK 7/19/2019 2:01pm
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I vote keep the 2 stroke and Pick up a new leftover or bran-used one.
I just picked up a leftover 16 from an old Honda dealer for just over 4K

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Lmc14 7/19/2019 2:41pm
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I sat on a lot of bikes and I was very pleased with the ktm cockpit and feel. It was just wide enough but still slim and also the peg to seat ratio was great. I’m shooting for that or I may try and pick up a leftover for a deal
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Mr. Afterbar 7/19/2019 2:47pm
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Kawasaki has the most adjustable ergonomics of them all and is up on power for 2020. Worth a look.
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plowboy 7/19/2019 3:14pm
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plowboy wrote:
This is just my opinion but if your smoker isn't clapped out...I'd just keep it as fresh as possible and keep ticking off the races and...
This is just my opinion but if your smoker isn't clapped out...I'd just keep it as fresh as possible and keep ticking off the races and pounding out the laps. There are guys racing (or at least trying to) the nationals on 2 strokes. A smoker isn't holding anyone back in the B and C classes. It may seem that way if the guys that are beating you are on modern 4 strokes but at your level it's mostly talent...not the bike (unless you're riding a 1970's Zundapp or something).

Of course this also depends on the sandbagging factor. If you're racing C class against ex-pros and others in their fourth year of C.....then get the YZF and destroy them.
HusqFan3 wrote:
Haha. I realize your post is tongue in cheek and sandbagging is clearly an issue. That said, I’m fairly confident there aren’t any ex-pro’s riding C...
Haha. I realize your post is tongue in cheek and sandbagging is clearly an issue. That said, I’m fairly confident there aren’t any ex-pro’s riding C class. Assuming their skills haven’t declined to the point of being a struggling mid-pack B class rider....
Lol...yeah, a little exaggeration for effect. I wasn't talking about national caliber pros...local experts was what I should have said (anyone that has raced for money). At the local level, when those guys drop down for a guaranteed trophy...that pushes the top guys in B down a class cause they also want that trophy. Of course this all varies by track, area, and state but it's always been pretty common.
Ghostrider145 7/19/2019 3:50pm
7/19/2019 3:50pm
I’d go Honda or Kawasaki. Kawi’s always a great value and the Honda are quality.

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m21racing 7/19/2019 3:55pm
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I would do a yami or honda. I've set up both bikes. All of those riders dig the brands they chose. Personally, anything with KYB does well. Showa is a close second. Whichever chassis fits you; go for it.
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Lmc14 7/24/2019 3:38pm
7/24/2019 3:38pm
Hey guys. Quick update. I have thought and prayed really hard on the subject and I sat on a YZ250 2 stroke. And I think you guys are right with try and improve before making the switch so it’s more appreciated. A guy traded in a close to new 2019 YZ250 and a 2019 kx450. Haha I don’t know what he was thinking but ok. Gonna try and pick up the YZ250 and build that
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rehan53 7/24/2019 4:22pm
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That’s the problem. There are a lot of sandbags around my area. At least top 6-7 out of a 10-15 man field Like I’m really not...
That’s the problem. There are a lot of sandbags around my area. At least top 6-7 out of a 10-15 man field Like I’m really not a slouch on the track and I try my hardest every time and they are damn near lapping me in a 4 lap race. They take lines like if it’s double, double, single, they will single then quad out. It’s honestly crazy
But, you said in your first post that you want to progress to the B class and then A. Why? Bragging rights? You have to go fast in those classes. You have to go fastER than the guys who are mopping you in C. If 6-7 of 10-15 riders are way ahead, they're not sandbagging, that's just the speed of the class. If you're winning the C class in most places you are a pretty good rider. Doesn't mean you are immediately in the wrong class though.

Jody Weisel wrote an article about 20 years ago with a title of something like, "Aspire to the Novice Class," because all that really matters is that it's fun.
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Spergen 7/24/2019 4:46pm
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This will probably get lots of down votes but as others have said it's not the bike holding you back but technique. Keep your old bike maintained and well set up suspension for your skill level. Spend your cash on riding lessons. Just try one at first then you will be a convert. Better at reducing those lap times for your money than any new bike or bling bits.

My bikes are 100% mechanically but look roached with scratches and worn graphics, my cash goes on lessons and my riding does the talking. Not that I'm a pro or anything.
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Lmc14 7/25/2019 6:51am
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Lmc14 wrote:
That’s the problem. There are a lot of sandbags around my area. At least top 6-7 out of a 10-15 man field Like I’m really not...
That’s the problem. There are a lot of sandbags around my area. At least top 6-7 out of a 10-15 man field Like I’m really not a slouch on the track and I try my hardest every time and they are damn near lapping me in a 4 lap race. They take lines like if it’s double, double, single, they will single then quad out. It’s honestly crazy
rehan53 wrote:
But, you said in your first post that you want to progress to the B class and then A. Why? Bragging rights? You have to go...
But, you said in your first post that you want to progress to the B class and then A. Why? Bragging rights? You have to go fast in those classes. You have to go fastER than the guys who are mopping you in C. If 6-7 of 10-15 riders are way ahead, they're not sandbagging, that's just the speed of the class. If you're winning the C class in most places you are a pretty good rider. Doesn't mean you are immediately in the wrong class though.

Jody Weisel wrote an article about 20 years ago with a title of something like, "Aspire to the Novice Class," because all that really matters is that it's fun.
I get what you are seeing and I can see the same angle. The problem I’m having and I’m not making excuses cause I do know at some point I will have to just go out and work harder than the other people to get better. But the local tracks we have have owner that are friends will all these so called “sandbaggers” and just like to see there buddies win and give out the trophy’s
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Lmc14 7/25/2019 6:54am
7/25/2019 6:54am
Spergen wrote:
This will probably get lots of down votes but as others have said it's not the bike holding you back but technique. Keep your old bike...
This will probably get lots of down votes but as others have said it's not the bike holding you back but technique. Keep your old bike maintained and well set up suspension for your skill level. Spend your cash on riding lessons. Just try one at first then you will be a convert. Better at reducing those lap times for your money than any new bike or bling bits.

My bikes are 100% mechanically but look roached with scratches and worn graphics, my cash goes on lessons and my riding does the talking. Not that I'm a pro or anything.
The problem I’m having now is I’m a big advocate for getting better and I sure as hell know I don’t need all the fancy parts and what not. It’s just the bike I have now I am having a lot of problems with. And I’m looking for a bike that can last me some years (yes I take very good care of my bikes. I just think someone before me didn’t) so then I can focus solely on myself progressing
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Mr. Afterbar 7/25/2019 8:27am
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Lmc14 wrote:
That’s the problem. There are a lot of sandbags around my area. At least top 6-7 out of a 10-15 man field Like I’m really not...
That’s the problem. There are a lot of sandbags around my area. At least top 6-7 out of a 10-15 man field Like I’m really not a slouch on the track and I try my hardest every time and they are damn near lapping me in a 4 lap race. They take lines like if it’s double, double, single, they will single then quad out. It’s honestly crazy
rehan53 wrote:
But, you said in your first post that you want to progress to the B class and then A. Why? Bragging rights? You have to go...
But, you said in your first post that you want to progress to the B class and then A. Why? Bragging rights? You have to go fast in those classes. You have to go fastER than the guys who are mopping you in C. If 6-7 of 10-15 riders are way ahead, they're not sandbagging, that's just the speed of the class. If you're winning the C class in most places you are a pretty good rider. Doesn't mean you are immediately in the wrong class though.

Jody Weisel wrote an article about 20 years ago with a title of something like, "Aspire to the Novice Class," because all that really matters is that it's fun.
Lmc14 wrote:
I get what you are seeing and I can see the same angle. The problem I’m having and I’m not making excuses cause I do know...
I get what you are seeing and I can see the same angle. The problem I’m having and I’m not making excuses cause I do know at some point I will have to just go out and work harder than the other people to get better. But the local tracks we have have owner that are friends will all these so called “sandbaggers” and just like to see there buddies win and give out the trophy’s
Who’s winning your local race doesn’t really matter until your in the A class and there’s no sandbagging in the A class. If you can battle with the guys in the next class up whether you’re winning or not, move up.
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ridinbeast932 7/25/2019 9:23am
7/25/2019 9:23am
I'm a C level rider, and owned a handful of YZ125's and YZ250's over the years. After a few years away from the sport, I just recently picked up a 2019 YZ250F. I absolutely love it! You might miss the 250 2 stroke power a bit but the smoothness just makes it so much easier to ride. I can ride twice as many laps as I could on my YZ250. Highly suggest it if the ergo's feel right when you sit on it!
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Falcon 7/25/2019 10:23am
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Get the bike thst you will be most stoked to own, then ride a lot. Work on your starts and conditioning. You are 90% of the equation and the bike is ten. Which bike is better than any other counts for a small sliver of that 10%.

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