Christian Craig Contaminated Supplements

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byke 6/19/2019 11:42am
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If it's snake oil, then who cares? What if people rely on the healing powers of god, can we ban them for three years? Because that's snake oil too.
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and all of this being allowed to happen via an agency that Armstrong and company made idiots out of for 7 years!!!! unfukinbelievable!!!
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Wasn't sure if last night's post was some sort of announcement that he's on hold until the final verdict comes out, so I sent him a text this morning. He's going to keep racing until the final decision is made.


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kkawboy14 6/19/2019 12:21pm
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EngIceDave wrote:
Not that anyone cares, I think it's entirely possible for a rider to have no clue or even bother to do due diligence, ensuring there is...
Not that anyone cares, I think it's entirely possible for a rider to have no clue or even bother to do due diligence, ensuring there is no banned ingredients or contamination in everything

These are kids/young adults who can hardly manage their own money and lives and who depend on others to "train" them and handle their lives away from the track (not pointing out Craig, just in general)

As for contamination, it stands to reason that an elite athlete should not take or trust any over the counter "GNC" type of protein or supplement drink/bar/food/mix, and if contaminated, other athletes using the same stuff would also be getting popped. They're not making one jar a batch. Also, if you are, you should be saving every bottle/can/tub of every product because it has a batch code, so the athlete can go back to the manufacturer and ask a sample be tested.

I do agree with GuyB though, the FIM needs to get a better handle on the testing and be more timely on notifications
I agree with everything you said! It is “impossible” for any rider to know what is in anything.

It will only get fixed when the Factories demand a fix!

DC said they all wanted it, so they got it.
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Feld only loses by ditching the FIM. By doing so they lose the "World Championship" title and official international status & recognition of their series. In...
Feld only loses by ditching the FIM. By doing so they lose the "World Championship" title and official international status & recognition of their series.

In Feld's (the promoter, the money maker) eyes, what do they themselves gain by ditching the FIM? Fan satisfaction? Not losing a couple of riders (that, as mentioned above, are unfortunately easily replaced)?

The riders don't have a union, and need to ride to get paid. They're not going to boycott. The teams won't boycott, they have sponsor obligations to fill. The AMA won't ditch Feld - the series is a screaming success. No one with any power is going to boycott, so what entity has any kind of influence that will make things change?

None.
Who cares. Call up Camel cigarettes and call it Camel Supercross again! We don't need "world" or FIM".

Make Supercross Great Again!!
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You simply can’t compare the penalties to other sports. The penalties aren’t determined by what the leagues think is reasonable, they all have unions and penalties are negotiated by players that have a lot of bargain power.
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Anton_514 wrote:
Wasn't sure if last night's post was some sort of announcement that he's on hold until the final verdict comes out, so I sent him a...
Wasn't sure if last night's post was some sort of announcement that he's on hold until the final verdict comes out, so I sent him a text this morning. He's going to keep racing until the final decision is made.


Certainly going to be tougher now that it's out in the public. While CC has great fan support in this (including me) there will certainly be some people calling him out and trolling him as well. I cannot see how his results will get better with this being public.
hbouldin1216 6/19/2019 12:43pm
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Why the hell do we bend over for any of these European governing bodies?

FIFA? Corrupt as hell, guy who oversaw awarding the 2022 World Cup to Qatar over the US and said they'd invent fake clouds to keep the stadiums cool just got tossed in jail for taking bribes

UCI? Corrupt as hell, too many examples to count

I truly do not understand the need for the FIM, as they've truly shown complete ambiguity when it comes to resolving any of these issues in the USA. I can't recall any Euros getting popped (admittedly don't follow the GPs but figure that a WADA suspension over there would be news) and would not at all be surprised if they just cover that up. The practice of corruption is not only rampant, it's almost accepted over there. The rules and common sense law that we enjoy here in the USA is not unilateral. From what little intel I've been able to gather, this is an old shitty contract that just keeps getting renewed for no particular reason other than money changing hands behind the scenes.


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EngIceDave wrote:
Not that anyone cares, I think it's entirely possible for a rider to have no clue or even bother to do due diligence, ensuring there is...
Not that anyone cares, I think it's entirely possible for a rider to have no clue or even bother to do due diligence, ensuring there is no banned ingredients or contamination in everything

These are kids/young adults who can hardly manage their own money and lives and who depend on others to "train" them and handle their lives away from the track (not pointing out Craig, just in general)

As for contamination, it stands to reason that an elite athlete should not take or trust any over the counter "GNC" type of protein or supplement drink/bar/food/mix, and if contaminated, other athletes using the same stuff would also be getting popped. They're not making one jar a batch. Also, if you are, you should be saving every bottle/can/tub of every product because it has a batch code, so the athlete can go back to the manufacturer and ask a sample be tested.

I do agree with GuyB though, the FIM needs to get a better handle on the testing and be more timely on notifications
Your assuming they are not intentionally cheating. The supplement companies are intentionally spiking the product with performance enhancers to get positive reviews and repeat customer. 99.9 percent of the users will never get tested. Common sense would say stay off supplements...therir supplements not requirements.
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RexEasely 6/19/2019 1:20pm
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Why the hell do we bend over for any of these European governing bodies? FIFA? Corrupt as hell, guy who oversaw awarding the 2022 World Cup...
Why the hell do we bend over for any of these European governing bodies?

FIFA? Corrupt as hell, guy who oversaw awarding the 2022 World Cup to Qatar over the US and said they'd invent fake clouds to keep the stadiums cool just got tossed in jail for taking bribes

UCI? Corrupt as hell, too many examples to count

I truly do not understand the need for the FIM, as they've truly shown complete ambiguity when it comes to resolving any of these issues in the USA. I can't recall any Euros getting popped (admittedly don't follow the GPs but figure that a WADA suspension over there would be news) and would not at all be surprised if they just cover that up. The practice of corruption is not only rampant, it's almost accepted over there. The rules and common sense law that we enjoy here in the USA is not unilateral. From what little intel I've been able to gather, this is an old shitty contract that just keeps getting renewed for no particular reason other than money changing hands behind the scenes.


No wada equals blatant cheating like the early 00's. What we need is educated racers to knowingly test their shit up front to mitigate the risk.. talking to you Broc and Craig. Apply for a TUE when needed...James and other guy.. This is not rocket science folks it's just common sense dotting the i's and crossing the t's and having disciple to not intentionally cheat. the riders are too blame first. Then the their trainers, then wada for processing the punishments so slowly, then FIM and AMA for providing a lack of voice for the racers. Vital is inoccent in all accounts and will find the eventual truth.
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EngIceDave 6/19/2019 1:26pm
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So now we TRUST the AMA?
You trust the AMA to perform unbiased drug testing?
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Texas Built 6/19/2019 1:27pm
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If CC was in the NFL or MLB and walked out of a nightclub with a mirror full of cocaine in one hand, a steroid syringe hanging out of his arm, a blood doping machine hooked up to his other arm and a handful crystal meth in the other then punched a chick in the face.......he would get a 5 game suspension.


You don't see WADA involved in sports where everyone actually is is doping.
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GeorgiePorgie 6/19/2019 1:29pm
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Texas Built wrote:
If CC was in the NFL or MLB and walked out of a nightclub with a mirror full of cocaine in one hand, a steroid syringe...
If CC was in the NFL or MLB and walked out of a nightclub with a mirror full of cocaine in one hand, a steroid syringe hanging out of his arm, a blood doping machine hooked up to his other arm and a handful crystal meth in the other then punched a chick in the face.......he would get a 5 game suspension.


You don't see WADA involved in sports where everyone actually is is doping.
well he would be forced to apologize in a press conference. And his coaching staff would assure everyone he's going to take this as a learning opportunity and move forward, and that cocaine, steroid syringe hanging night was not a true representation of his character.... Nobody in motocross doin that..... but then again no motocrossers are sellin millions of dollars worth of jerseys either. Oh well. Who knows. I digress. Let's all get on the hang craig bandwagon because clearly he broke the rules and knew the rules...and shoulda known what he was ingesting and rah rah rah rahhh rah....raahhhhh. Dont stand up for Craig, cuz that would be....uncool. /sarcasm
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EngIceDave 6/19/2019 1:31pm
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Yeah, bullshit on that

Look up Ricky Williams

Busted for weed (WEED) under the NFLPA program and suspended each time, think he's permaban now
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Texas Built wrote:
If CC was in the NFL or MLB and walked out of a nightclub with a mirror full of cocaine in one hand, a steroid syringe...
If CC was in the NFL or MLB and walked out of a nightclub with a mirror full of cocaine in one hand, a steroid syringe hanging out of his arm, a blood doping machine hooked up to his other arm and a handful crystal meth in the other then punched a chick in the face.......he would get a 5 game suspension.


You don't see WADA involved in sports where everyone actually is is doping.
Nfl makes more $$ in one weekend than the whole geico team for the season. Compare CC to Tom Brady lol.
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EngIceDave 6/19/2019 1:38pm
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BTW, when has the AMA ever been expected to be the representative of the athlete?
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RexEasely 6/19/2019 1:48pm
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Why are the supplements blamed first?
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lostboy819 6/19/2019 1:50pm
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The quickest way to solve this would be for the teams to say in October or November that they aren’t showing up to Anaheim 1 unless...
The quickest way to solve this would be for the teams to say in October or November that they aren’t showing up to Anaheim 1 unless WADA is out and/or completely revamped.
No teams=no show
No show=no fans
No fans=no $$$.
You do know that the teams and riders are the ones who wanted drug testing right ?

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Texas Built wrote:
If CC was in the NFL or MLB and walked out of a nightclub with a mirror full of cocaine in one hand, a steroid syringe...
If CC was in the NFL or MLB and walked out of a nightclub with a mirror full of cocaine in one hand, a steroid syringe hanging out of his arm, a blood doping machine hooked up to his other arm and a handful crystal meth in the other then punched a chick in the face.......he would get a 5 game suspension.


You don't see WADA involved in sports where everyone actually is is doping.
With the few amount of tests done in this sport, sure seems to be a lot of positives!

The amount of tests done on these guys isn't even 1/4 of other sports.
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FreshTopEnd 6/19/2019 2:19pm
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Well, for what it's worth it sounds like for once one of the riders or his crew has done homework on what he has to prove in a contaminated supplement case.
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lostboy819 6/19/2019 2:31pm
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Well, for what it's worth it sounds like for once one of the riders or his crew has done homework on what he has to prove...
Well, for what it's worth it sounds like for once one of the riders or his crew has done homework on what he has to prove in a contaminated supplement case.
"for once" You make it sound like lots of riders have been caught. Wink
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EngIceDave 6/19/2019 2:32pm
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Hi Lawyer Dude!

Yeah, agreed....wanna wait for filing against GNC or whomever
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EngIceDave 6/19/2019 2:33pm
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"for once" You make it sound like lots of riders have been caught. Wink
If I get his point, someone is actually trying to build a case, rather than a claim
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EngIceDave 6/19/2019 2:34pm
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Texas Built wrote:
If CC was in the NFL or MLB and walked out of a nightclub with a mirror full of cocaine in one hand, a steroid syringe...
If CC was in the NFL or MLB and walked out of a nightclub with a mirror full of cocaine in one hand, a steroid syringe hanging out of his arm, a blood doping machine hooked up to his other arm and a handful crystal meth in the other then punched a chick in the face.......he would get a 5 game suspension.


You don't see WADA involved in sports where everyone actually is is doping.
77Moto wrote:
With the few amount of tests done in this sport, sure seems to be a lot of positives! The amount of tests done on these guys...
With the few amount of tests done in this sport, sure seems to be a lot of positives!

The amount of tests done on these guys isn't even 1/4 of other sports.
Really?

You have a basis on this or pure conjecture?
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Mr. Knobby wrote:
The WHOLE supplements industry is completely unregulated and uncontrolled. There is absolutely no obligation on the part of the supplements companies to ensure that what they...
The WHOLE supplements industry is completely unregulated and uncontrolled. There is absolutely no obligation on the part of the supplements companies to ensure that what they say is in the product is actually in it, or indeed that something not listed is not in it. That is the way it is. Period.

Taking supplements is playing the lottery - except there is no real upside.
Your comment is a bit misleading and about half-way truthful. Supplements are not regulated by the FDA but you cannot simply put ingredients on your label that are not in your product or vise-versa (leave ingredients off your label). Especially when you are a large company and deal with NSF facilities that are making your product. There are processes in place where things do get checked when it comes to label making and ingredients are verified but what is not tested is the claims that people make about their products, which is a common misconception.
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RexEasely 6/19/2019 4:39pm
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Obviously Craig and Tickle missed the memo on who is a reputable supplement supplier.
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RexEasely 6/19/2019 4:44pm
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Easy fix. Sell certified WADA approved product and quadruple the price. Protect yourself from the accusers. Until then the perception is you are buying uncontrolled ingredients from China and your product is to blame.
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RexEasely 6/19/2019 4:55pm
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EngIceDave wrote:
BTW, when has the AMA ever been expected to be the representative of the athlete?
according to ama mission statement they promote and protect the future of motorcycling. Sounds like there is no expectation to protect the riders. Good call. F the riders.
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avidchimp 6/19/2019 6:24pm
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EngIceDave wrote:
Really?

You have a basis on this or pure conjecture?
These threads are always good for finding out Mortgage Paul's various accounts. At least two of them in this one. Laughing
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Whether the rider is guilty or not, WADA has a great responsibility to announce a penalty and provide for an appeal process in a timely manner. The nature of this sport is such that a rider's career is only so long. To draw the proceedings out for months upon months or even years is ridiculous. Hell, six weeks would be too long. WADA and the FIM have failed MISERABLY. If they doubled their speed, it would still be a MISERABLE FAILURE. I simply don't care how many cases they have in front of them, how many riders they have to test, nor what the other sports do; they must get better or they must GET OUT of our sport.
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