An American revolution?

jtomasik
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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 9:10pm
Seemed to be quite a few more 2-strokes at the track today. Of all bikes, there were probably a third of them that were 2-strokes. Not sure if the numbers being sold/ridden is rising or not, but it sure looked that way.
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4/12/2009 3:09pm Edited Date/Time 4/12/2009 3:16pm
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My last 7 bikes were....
'03 yzf 250 (fast)
'03 ktm 450sx (worst bike Ive ever owned)
'05 kxf 250 (slowest bike on the planet)
'05 ktm 525 sx (great bike)
'07 sxf 250 (fast)
'08 sxf 250 (slower and more problematic than the '07)
.

I like them all but never really looked back when they were gone.
A couple of years I bought a used '03 RM 125 to play on and use on the ice.......I sold it and its the only one I really wish I still had.
Im gonna find another RM 125 soon and keep it forever.
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4/12/2009 4:27pm
im on the hunt for a really clean or maybe new 2007 KX 250, Im moving to Vegas at the end of the month.... and I finally after 8 years I am getting a new motocross bike!!!
4/12/2009 4:32pm
yea awhile ago i was in the hunt for a RM250 or a YZ 250 even though im a kawasaki man but those two are the most updated ( sorry cant affod the ktms) but as luck would have it i decided to keep my 450 for a little while longer and then had my get off so i may be selling it afterall once the bills start rolling in but whenever i do get to get another bike it will probably be a 250 2 smoke Evil

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4/12/2009 4:35pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:22pm
yea awhile ago i was in the hunt for a RM250 or a YZ 250 even though im a kawasaki man but those two are the...
yea awhile ago i was in the hunt for a RM250 or a YZ 250 even though im a kawasaki man but those two are the most updated ( sorry cant affod the ktms) but as luck would have it i decided to keep my 450 for a little while longer and then had my get off so i may be selling it afterall once the bills start rolling in but whenever i do get to get another bike it will probably be a 250 2 smoke Evil
FWIW I cant seem to ride KTM 250 2 stroke like I can a YZ or an RM..........One of my best friends owns a KTM dealership so cost wouldnt be an issue.
The 144 & 150 sx is perfect on paper but the ones that have left his shop have been less than stellar in the reliability department.
4/12/2009 4:47pm
yea awhile ago i was in the hunt for a RM250 or a YZ 250 even though im a kawasaki man but those two are the...
yea awhile ago i was in the hunt for a RM250 or a YZ 250 even though im a kawasaki man but those two are the most updated ( sorry cant affod the ktms) but as luck would have it i decided to keep my 450 for a little while longer and then had my get off so i may be selling it afterall once the bills start rolling in but whenever i do get to get another bike it will probably be a 250 2 smoke Evil
catatonic wrote:
FWIW I cant seem to ride KTM 250 2 stroke like I can a YZ or an RM..........One of my best friends owns a KTM dealership...
FWIW I cant seem to ride KTM 250 2 stroke like I can a YZ or an RM..........One of my best friends owns a KTM dealership so cost wouldnt be an issue.
The 144 & 150 sx is perfect on paper but the ones that have left his shop have been less than stellar in the reliability department.
were you brought up on jap bikes? i started riding (dirtbikes) in 04 on a jap bike so essentially i have too and ive wondered if that might be an issue as ive heard they feel different?? but wont know until next year when the local KTM shops have their ride days again. i was interested in the 144's but i had heard they had some reliability issues as well so i didnt want to mess with them but the KTMs caught my attention as the are the lightest 2 smokes out there currently.... but would be good to actually ride one just to see how they compare....
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4/12/2009 4:48pm
my buddy went to a race sat and said he couldnt believe how many people where on 250 2-strokes, good to hear even though im on a 450 i still love me a smoker
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4/12/2009 5:05pm
yea awhile ago i was in the hunt for a RM250 or a YZ 250 even though im a kawasaki man but those two are the...
yea awhile ago i was in the hunt for a RM250 or a YZ 250 even though im a kawasaki man but those two are the most updated ( sorry cant affod the ktms) but as luck would have it i decided to keep my 450 for a little while longer and then had my get off so i may be selling it afterall once the bills start rolling in but whenever i do get to get another bike it will probably be a 250 2 smoke Evil
catatonic wrote:
FWIW I cant seem to ride KTM 250 2 stroke like I can a YZ or an RM..........One of my best friends owns a KTM dealership...
FWIW I cant seem to ride KTM 250 2 stroke like I can a YZ or an RM..........One of my best friends owns a KTM dealership so cost wouldnt be an issue.
The 144 & 150 sx is perfect on paper but the ones that have left his shop have been less than stellar in the reliability department.
were you brought up on jap bikes? i started riding (dirtbikes) in 04 on a jap bike so essentially i have too and ive wondered if...
were you brought up on jap bikes? i started riding (dirtbikes) in 04 on a jap bike so essentially i have too and ive wondered if that might be an issue as ive heard they feel different?? but wont know until next year when the local KTM shops have their ride days again. i was interested in the 144's but i had heard they had some reliability issues as well so i didnt want to mess with them but the KTMs caught my attention as the are the lightest 2 smokes out there currently.... but would be good to actually ride one just to see how they compare....
Yeah i've always ridden Jap bikes up until ''05 when I bought a new 525 sx and a used '03 450 sx.
Any of the '07 and newer KTM's feel comparable to the jap bikes IMO.....My pre'07 KTM's had a different feel that took some adjustment.
My '07 and '08 KTM 250f's both felt a lot like riding a Honda.
I just cant seem to come to terms with the same chassis and a two stroke motor......the KTM 125 and 250 sx's that I have ridden always seemed to "feel" different. I've ridden and raced a lot of them ( through my Bud's shop) but never owned one that I could take the time to set up just right.
They all seem to almost have too much traction and are hard to hold onto.
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4/12/2009 5:12pm
bvm111 wrote:
im on the hunt for a really clean or maybe new 2007 KX 250, Im moving to Vegas at the end of the month.... and I...
im on the hunt for a really clean or maybe new 2007 KX 250, Im moving to Vegas at the end of the month.... and I finally after 8 years I am getting a new motocross bike!!!
I know where there's an 05KX250 BRAND NEW.... 3,500 should take it..
4/12/2009 5:13pm
yea they are known for the motors for sure. interesting observation about the 07+thumpers feeling like the hondas as thats my current ride and i like it but its turning ability. ive been told that suspension set up is KEY to getting the KTMs to feel comfortable. so if i ever go that route you bet ill be investing in getting it set up and tuned for my weight and skill. my next bike will prob be my last for awhile and due to finances after my wreck and i definately want it to be a 2 smoke ....
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4/12/2009 5:22pm
yea they are known for the motors for sure. interesting observation about the 07+thumpers feeling like the hondas as thats my current ride and i like...
yea they are known for the motors for sure. interesting observation about the 07+thumpers feeling like the hondas as thats my current ride and i like it but its turning ability. ive been told that suspension set up is KEY to getting the KTMs to feel comfortable. so if i ever go that route you bet ill be investing in getting it set up and tuned for my weight and skill. my next bike will prob be my last for awhile and due to finances after my wreck and i definately want it to be a 2 smoke ....
I've found KTMs like to be a bit softer in the rear to work well. ( at least for a Vet B guy like me) They also like to turn.
4/12/2009 5:30pm
yea they are known for the motors for sure. interesting observation about the 07+thumpers feeling like the hondas as thats my current ride and i like...
yea they are known for the motors for sure. interesting observation about the 07+thumpers feeling like the hondas as thats my current ride and i like it but its turning ability. ive been told that suspension set up is KEY to getting the KTMs to feel comfortable. so if i ever go that route you bet ill be investing in getting it set up and tuned for my weight and skill. my next bike will prob be my last for awhile and due to finances after my wreck and i definately want it to be a 2 smoke ....
catatonic wrote:
I've found KTMs like to be a bit softer in the rear to work well. ( at least for a Vet B guy like me) They...
I've found KTMs like to be a bit softer in the rear to work well. ( at least for a Vet B guy like me) They also like to turn.
awesome thanks for the input....
jtomasik
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4/12/2009 5:52pm
One kid at the track was pretty damn good. He was riding a YZ250. Nothing like watching a guy throw a 250 into a berm and light up that powerband with the drop of the clutch. He was noticeably faster through the turns than pretty much everyone I saw, regardless of motor technology.

The smokers just feel like race bikes.
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4/12/2009 6:00pm
I noticed alot more two strokes at the track this weekend also. Alot of KTM's....
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4/12/2009 6:06pm
Saw a lot at the track this weekend as well. It was good to hear and smell them. They did not dominate the 250f s like I thought they might.
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catatonic wrote:
My last 7 bikes were.... '03 yzf 250 (fast) '03 ktm 450sx (worst bike Ive ever owned) '05 kxf 250 (slowest bike on the planet) '05...
My last 7 bikes were....
'03 yzf 250 (fast)
'03 ktm 450sx (worst bike Ive ever owned)
'05 kxf 250 (slowest bike on the planet)
'05 ktm 525 sx (great bike)
'07 sxf 250 (fast)
'08 sxf 250 (slower and more problematic than the '07)
.

I like them all but never really looked back when they were gone.
A couple of years I bought a used '03 RM 125 to play on and use on the ice.......I sold it and its the only one I really wish I still had.
Im gonna find another RM 125 soon and keep it forever.
My fastest lap times ever were on an 03 YZF 250 but I've never owned one they were a great bike. I was too hung up on having a "BIG" bike at the time.
I've owned 2 KTM's a 97 360EXC and a 07 250EXCF both were awesome bikes but they are different to ride. I bought the 360 after riding Honda since 84 and the KTM fit like a glove, it felt like it was built to fit me.
KTM's will feel different to anyone who has ridden jap bikes only but if you get a good one you'll love it
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4/12/2009 9:30pm
bvm111 wrote:
im on the hunt for a really clean or maybe new 2007 KX 250, Im moving to Vegas at the end of the month.... and I...
im on the hunt for a really clean or maybe new 2007 KX 250, Im moving to Vegas at the end of the month.... and I finally after 8 years I am getting a new motocross bike!!!
kaw rider9 wrote:
I know where there's an 05KX250 BRAND NEW.... 3,500 should take it..
really? im interested... I think for the same amount i would spend on a 4 stroke regardless of displacement, i could pick up a clean 2 stroke and mod it like I always wanted to back "in the day"
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4/12/2009 9:39pm
Just got the ol' CR250 fired up today after 5 years of resting in my garage! New top end, and she barked up first kick!
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4/12/2009 10:14pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:22pm
I know a number of riders that have went back to the two strokes because the thumpers made them feel like lazier riders when they raced on occasion or went on a good trail ride. Even the 250 F riders changed to 250 smokers.

Everyone that has went back to the 2 strokes have not regretted it one bit.

Said it was fun to feel that light, flicky feeling, yet while you can be more aggressive, they are more forgiving. Just they feel much more in control.

Even know 2 that sold their smoker 250 YZs for newer 250 RMs. Happier than shit.

The fact that they are dead nuts reliable helps a heck of a lot too.

I dislike the fact some are gouging prices on 4,5 + year old 250 smokers on Craigs or Ebay. Check Kelleys Blue Book and other prices.

In '07, my best friend was lucky; got rid of his anniversary YZF 250 for $2800(yellow one) with not a many hours and found a '05 RM 250 that still had a replacement top end kit for $2300....he loves that bike after several YZ Open thumpers and last the yellow '06 250F YZ, he's one of a number of happy people to switch back.

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This is an American revolition because...?
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4/13/2009 4:41am
Motodude wrote:
This is an American revolition because...?

I would not say it's exclusive to America, I think Youthstream mentioned a 125 2s class
in 2010.

But maybe a revolt against the Japanese, for jamming those lead sleds down everyone's throat would be more accurate.
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4/13/2009 5:20am
bvm111 wrote:
im on the hunt for a really clean or maybe new 2007 KX 250, Im moving to Vegas at the end of the month.... and I...
im on the hunt for a really clean or maybe new 2007 KX 250, Im moving to Vegas at the end of the month.... and I finally after 8 years I am getting a new motocross bike!!!
kaw rider9 wrote:
I know where there's an 05KX250 BRAND NEW.... 3,500 should take it..
bvm111 wrote:
really? im interested... I think for the same amount i would spend on a 4 stroke regardless of displacement, i could pick up a clean 2...
really? im interested... I think for the same amount i would spend on a 4 stroke regardless of displacement, i could pick up a clean 2 stroke and mod it like I always wanted to back "in the day"
Dead serious..

In my hunt, I found four 07's.. One dealer in TN. said he's keeping it for himself, the one in MO. was just sold, SC. and TN. both have one, but they both want 5 grand for them!

I found an 05 and 06 here in Illinois.. I got the 06 for 4200,OTD...

I'm pretty sure he said 3500 for the 05..

Watseka, suzuki, honda, kawasaki.......(815) 432-4352...

Are you going to the Cooperland ride day?

If you get this bike, I could haul it there for you..

It's a BRAND NEW 05.... Well kinda new, I sat on it, played with the clutch and made BRAAAAAP sounds!

Let me know if I can help..
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4/13/2009 5:23am
jtomasik wrote:
One kid at the track was pretty damn good. He was riding a YZ250. Nothing like watching a guy throw a 250 into a berm and...
One kid at the track was pretty damn good. He was riding a YZ250. Nothing like watching a guy throw a 250 into a berm and light up that powerband with the drop of the clutch. He was noticeably faster through the turns than pretty much everyone I saw, regardless of motor technology.

The smokers just feel like race bikes.
Tyler Valentine.
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4/13/2009 5:51am

Viva La Revolution !

Braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap
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bend your elbows more
STFU more.
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I love my 07 CRF450....
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I have been on a 450 since 03... never thought about a 2 stroke since my first CRF.... But that all changed when I went riding with a buddy who has a RM 250 and a 144. I had so much fun that I am seriously looking to add one... I still like my 450 but the 250 was a riot.
jtomasik
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4/13/2009 7:30am
Motodude wrote:
This is an American revolition because...?
Because we can spell "revolution".
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4/13/2009 10:49am
I see a lot of two strokes behind me at the races. Usually as I am making the first turn they are just coming into it. Dont see them again until I am pulling off the track and putting my bike on the stand.

I'm all for them.

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