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Ewan49 9/30/2018 6:03am
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I moto and have a road bicycle. We have some great mtn biking around here and I want to get a bike. It is mind blowing...
I moto and have a road bicycle. We have some great mtn biking around here and I want to get a bike. It is mind blowing how many different options are out there between XC, enduro, 27.5, 29'er, 1-11, forks, shocks, frame materials, brands, etc. how do I make sense out of it and choose a bike that will be solid for the terrain and won't need to upgrade right away?
If you want a mtn bike that is going to do a bit of everything then go for a dual suspension XC model. Make sure you go with 29" wheels. Some sales staff will try and put you on a 27.5 but insist on a 29'er. The only advantage a 27.5 has over a 29 is in really tight switchback stuff but anybody with a bit of skill on the bike can easily get around that and the 29'er kills the 27.5 everywhere else, especially over bigger rocks and tree roots etc. If you go mid range pricewise then the bike will last you for however long you want it to and without the need to upgrade. I ride 1x11 and cannot rave on enough about it. I used 1x11 on my bike when I rode The Continental Divide (from Banff Canada to Mexican border in New Mexico if you aren't familiar with that ride) and I never found the 1x11 lacking anywhere
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I'm a long time MXer that took up MTB about a year ago. It has definitely helped my conditioning for MX. As a regional manager for...
I'm a long time MXer that took up MTB about a year ago. It has definitely helped my conditioning for MX. As a regional manager for Alta, I take my Alta demos and my MTB whenever I hit the rode. While I am at "work" I have been able to hit up trails in Northwest Arkansas, New Mexico, Missouri and all over Texas. There is not always a place to ride a dirt bike, but there is always MTB trails. They are everywhere! I follow Johnny O and Jeff Ward on Strava and they are animals! Have even seen Johnny O listed in front of Jeremy Martin on some sections.


I’m in Nwa. Let me know when you’re passing through. We can spend a day on the trails. I also wouldn’t mind swinging a leg over that Alta!
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If you want a mtn bike that is going to do a bit of everything then go for a dual suspension XC model. Make sure you...
If you want a mtn bike that is going to do a bit of everything then go for a dual suspension XC model. Make sure you go with 29" wheels. Some sales staff will try and put you on a 27.5 but insist on a 29'er. The only advantage a 27.5 has over a 29 is in really tight switchback stuff but anybody with a bit of skill on the bike can easily get around that and the 29'er kills the 27.5 everywhere else, especially over bigger rocks and tree roots etc. If you go mid range pricewise then the bike will last you for however long you want it to and without the need to upgrade. I ride 1x11 and cannot rave on enough about it. I used 1x11 on my bike when I rode The Continental Divide (from Banff Canada to Mexican border in New Mexico if you aren't familiar with that ride) and I never found the 1x11 lacking anywhere
Thanks for the feedback. It's interesting and confusing because one of my moto buddies rides with a local mtn bike group here in the Catskills and they all swear by 27.5's. He rides a fat bike but the majority are on 27.5's. I am looking at pulling the trigger on a Scott 720. Just don't want to make the wrong choice.
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I moto and have a road bicycle. We have some great mtn biking around here and I want to get a bike. It is mind blowing...
I moto and have a road bicycle. We have some great mtn biking around here and I want to get a bike. It is mind blowing how many different options are out there between XC, enduro, 27.5, 29'er, 1-11, forks, shocks, frame materials, brands, etc. how do I make sense out of it and choose a bike that will be solid for the terrain and won't need to upgrade right away?
There are some really good boutique brands offering great bikes, but you will pay more for that sexiness. I personally ride trek fuel 29er. It’s a great xc bike, but you aren’t doing much more than 2-3’ drops and small jumps. If you see yourself wanting a bike for longer rides and drops/jumps look at the remedy or slash in 27.5. Remedy is leaning more towards xc and slash more towards dh on geometry with same suspension travel. If you’re just looking at xc I highly recommend the fuel ex.

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If you want a mtn bike that is going to do a bit of everything then go for a dual suspension XC model. Make sure you...
If you want a mtn bike that is going to do a bit of everything then go for a dual suspension XC model. Make sure you go with 29" wheels. Some sales staff will try and put you on a 27.5 but insist on a 29'er. The only advantage a 27.5 has over a 29 is in really tight switchback stuff but anybody with a bit of skill on the bike can easily get around that and the 29'er kills the 27.5 everywhere else, especially over bigger rocks and tree roots etc. If you go mid range pricewise then the bike will last you for however long you want it to and without the need to upgrade. I ride 1x11 and cannot rave on enough about it. I used 1x11 on my bike when I rode The Continental Divide (from Banff Canada to Mexican border in New Mexico if you aren't familiar with that ride) and I never found the 1x11 lacking anywhere
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Thanks for the feedback. It's interesting and confusing because one of my moto buddies rides with a local mtn bike group here in the Catskills and...
Thanks for the feedback. It's interesting and confusing because one of my moto buddies rides with a local mtn bike group here in the Catskills and they all swear by 27.5's. He rides a fat bike but the majority are on 27.5's. I am looking at pulling the trigger on a Scott 720. Just don't want to make the wrong choice.
No worries. Happy to help if you have anymore questions. That is a nice bike you are looking at. You would never need to upgrade that. Like most things, look after it and it will look after you! I am a big Scott fan. I now ride Trek and Cannondale but I rode a Scott when I did the Continental Divide ride. I still strongly recommend a 29'er over a 27.5. Ask your buddies if you can ride one of their 27.5's then ride a 29'er over the same terrain and you will see what I am talking about. There are reasons why all the pros ride 29'ers!!
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Anybody watching the Men's World Championship road race right now?
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Thanks for the input on the seat heights, guys! I have short legs so mine is always low and I still feel bent over to the bars so I always thought the position must be more awkward for tall guys with long legs.
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I moto and have a road bicycle. We have some great mtn biking around here and I want to get a bike. It is mind blowing...
I moto and have a road bicycle. We have some great mtn biking around here and I want to get a bike. It is mind blowing how many different options are out there between XC, enduro, 27.5, 29'er, 1-11, forks, shocks, frame materials, brands, etc. how do I make sense out of it and choose a bike that will be solid for the terrain and won't need to upgrade right away?
I live in Western Colorado, arguably the best mtb in the world. the 27.5 vs 29 debate is an interesting one. Imo, if you like to be more active on your bike, jump stuff, bunny hop things, etc. go w the 27.5. For lesser skilled folks the 29ers are awesome because you can just roll over stuff without needing to manage your line. But that is also why you are now seeing pro DH riders on 29, because they can go right over obstacles without worries.

You don't need a carbon frame to have a great bike, aluminum will save you 1000's of dollars and performance is about equal for the average person. Definitely go with single ring on the drive sprocket and when it comes to suspension, its pretty much Rock Shox or Fox.

There are direct buy brand like YT for example, that can save you big money. But if you are like me and your MTB doesn't get nearly the attention maintenance wise that your Moto does, buy from a good local shop that will take care of your bike for you.
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Ewan49 9/30/2018 7:48am
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Huckster wrote:
I moto and have a road bicycle. We have some great mtn biking around here and I want to get a bike. It is mind blowing...
I moto and have a road bicycle. We have some great mtn biking around here and I want to get a bike. It is mind blowing how many different options are out there between XC, enduro, 27.5, 29'er, 1-11, forks, shocks, frame materials, brands, etc. how do I make sense out of it and choose a bike that will be solid for the terrain and won't need to upgrade right away?
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I live in Western Colorado, arguably the best mtb in the world. the 27.5 vs 29 debate is an interesting one. Imo, if you like to...
I live in Western Colorado, arguably the best mtb in the world. the 27.5 vs 29 debate is an interesting one. Imo, if you like to be more active on your bike, jump stuff, bunny hop things, etc. go w the 27.5. For lesser skilled folks the 29ers are awesome because you can just roll over stuff without needing to manage your line. But that is also why you are now seeing pro DH riders on 29, because they can go right over obstacles without worries.

You don't need a carbon frame to have a great bike, aluminum will save you 1000's of dollars and performance is about equal for the average person. Definitely go with single ring on the drive sprocket and when it comes to suspension, its pretty much Rock Shox or Fox.

There are direct buy brand like YT for example, that can save you big money. But if you are like me and your MTB doesn't get nearly the attention maintenance wise that your Moto does, buy from a good local shop that will take care of your bike for you.
Just curious....why do you think a 27.5 is better than a 29'er if you like to be more active on your bike, jump stuff, bunny hop things etc?
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Just remember the right side handlebar lever on your dirt scooter has an entirely different function than the one on your MTB. The reminder can be...
Just remember the right side handlebar lever on your dirt scooter has an entirely different function than the one on your MTB. The reminder can be painful.
Anybody who rides Moto and MTB and doesn't switch up the brakes deserves what's coming to them. It's not the right side you have to worry about it' he left doing what the right is supposed to do. I warned a buddy once, he shrugged it off - 45 secs. later he was concussed and calling for a ride home.
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New and I mean current 29ers are way faster than 27.5, I’ve got both. The 29er just wont go slow like the little wheeled bike, and it’s just as playful or more. Now the 29ers from a few years ago not so much. But if you ride very flat and super twisty smooth stuff then it’s not going to be much better. Rocks, roots, and steep stuff you can’t beat a modern 29er. Imop
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Man I love mtb got it into it last year. Honestly don’t know why it took me so long to get into it. Definitely need a upgrade tho my bike is a huffy compared to some of you guys
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Nighttrain wrote:
Just remember the right side handlebar lever on your dirt scooter has an entirely different function than the one on your MTB. The reminder can be...
Just remember the right side handlebar lever on your dirt scooter has an entirely different function than the one on your MTB. The reminder can be painful.
PFitzG38 wrote:
Anybody who rides Moto and MTB and doesn't switch up the brakes deserves what's coming to them. It's not the right side you have to worry...
Anybody who rides Moto and MTB and doesn't switch up the brakes deserves what's coming to them. It's not the right side you have to worry about it' he left doing what the right is supposed to do. I warned a buddy once, he shrugged it off - 45 secs. later he was concussed and calling for a ride home.
Never happened to me.
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Thanks for the input on the seat heights, guys! I have short legs so mine is always low and I still feel bent over to the...
Thanks for the input on the seat heights, guys! I have short legs so mine is always low and I still feel bent over to the bars so I always thought the position must be more awkward for tall guys with long legs.
a lot of people go 1 frame size smaller as actually recommended and compensate that with a longer stem. smaller frame will save you some weight but mainly will be more agile. that's why some seat heights can look pretty extreme too. looks like oshow did that for instance. so it's not just about your leg lenght.


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Huckster wrote:
I moto and have a road bicycle. We have some great mtn biking around here and I want to get a bike. It is mind blowing...
I moto and have a road bicycle. We have some great mtn biking around here and I want to get a bike. It is mind blowing how many different options are out there between XC, enduro, 27.5, 29'er, 1-11, forks, shocks, frame materials, brands, etc. how do I make sense out of it and choose a bike that will be solid for the terrain and won't need to upgrade right away?
stone881 wrote:
I live in Western Colorado, arguably the best mtb in the world. the 27.5 vs 29 debate is an interesting one. Imo, if you like to...
I live in Western Colorado, arguably the best mtb in the world. the 27.5 vs 29 debate is an interesting one. Imo, if you like to be more active on your bike, jump stuff, bunny hop things, etc. go w the 27.5. For lesser skilled folks the 29ers are awesome because you can just roll over stuff without needing to manage your line. But that is also why you are now seeing pro DH riders on 29, because they can go right over obstacles without worries.

You don't need a carbon frame to have a great bike, aluminum will save you 1000's of dollars and performance is about equal for the average person. Definitely go with single ring on the drive sprocket and when it comes to suspension, its pretty much Rock Shox or Fox.

There are direct buy brand like YT for example, that can save you big money. But if you are like me and your MTB doesn't get nearly the attention maintenance wise that your Moto does, buy from a good local shop that will take care of your bike for you.
I recently went from a crappy 26 in hard tail spring fork to an aluminum Giant Anthem 29. In doing so,my interest in riding went way up. The 29 rolls so much better and the suspension makes all of the difference in the world.
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Huckster 9/30/2018 9:58am
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51xc wrote:
a lot of people go 1 frame size smaller as actually recommended and compensate that with a longer stem. smaller frame will save you some weight...
a lot of people go 1 frame size smaller as actually recommended and compensate that with a longer stem. smaller frame will save you some weight but mainly will be more agile. that's why some seat heights can look pretty extreme too. looks like oshow did that for instance. so it's not just about your leg lenght.


What size frame for a. 6'0" guy with a 34" inseam?
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Nighttrain wrote:
Just remember the right side handlebar lever on your dirt scooter has an entirely different function than the one on your MTB. The reminder can be...
Just remember the right side handlebar lever on your dirt scooter has an entirely different function than the one on your MTB. The reminder can be painful.
PFitzG38 wrote:
Anybody who rides Moto and MTB and doesn't switch up the brakes deserves what's coming to them. It's not the right side you have to worry...
Anybody who rides Moto and MTB and doesn't switch up the brakes deserves what's coming to them. It's not the right side you have to worry about it' he left doing what the right is supposed to do. I warned a buddy once, he shrugged it off - 45 secs. later he was concussed and calling for a ride home.
See, I disagree. I can switch back and forth and it does 't bother me at all.

I'm coming back from Moab right now.... just rode The Whole Enchilada and Moab Brands trails. Did 40 miles in 2 days. I love this sport!
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I live in Kamloops BC and we have world class single track, Enduro, DH, and even dirt jumps right in town, or 45 min drive to lift access. I recently demo'd a new school 29er(160mm travel front and rear) and bought one the next morning. As previous posters have mentioned they are AMAZING. I'm 6'1 and went with a large frame with a longer 50mm stem(I actually still race a 20'Bmx). I bought 2018 Norco Range Carbon C1 29er, it has upgraded SAM Eagle XX1 drive train and cranks, and some other goodies.

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51xc wrote:
a lot of people go 1 frame size smaller as actually recommended and compensate that with a longer stem. smaller frame will save you some weight...
a lot of people go 1 frame size smaller as actually recommended and compensate that with a longer stem. smaller frame will save you some weight but mainly will be more agile. that's why some seat heights can look pretty extreme too. looks like oshow did that for instance. so it's not just about your leg lenght.


Huckster wrote:
What size frame for a. 6'0" guy with a 34" inseam?
Every manufacture will have a sizing chart for their frames, you will fall into a large frame form most manufactures. But like someone else said, some prefer a size smaller frame and then throw a larger stem to open things back up.
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stone881 9/30/2018 11:16am
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I moto and have a road bicycle. We have some great mtn biking around here and I want to get a bike. It is mind blowing...
I moto and have a road bicycle. We have some great mtn biking around here and I want to get a bike. It is mind blowing how many different options are out there between XC, enduro, 27.5, 29'er, 1-11, forks, shocks, frame materials, brands, etc. how do I make sense out of it and choose a bike that will be solid for the terrain and won't need to upgrade right away?
stone881 wrote:
I live in Western Colorado, arguably the best mtb in the world. the 27.5 vs 29 debate is an interesting one. Imo, if you like to...
I live in Western Colorado, arguably the best mtb in the world. the 27.5 vs 29 debate is an interesting one. Imo, if you like to be more active on your bike, jump stuff, bunny hop things, etc. go w the 27.5. For lesser skilled folks the 29ers are awesome because you can just roll over stuff without needing to manage your line. But that is also why you are now seeing pro DH riders on 29, because they can go right over obstacles without worries.

You don't need a carbon frame to have a great bike, aluminum will save you 1000's of dollars and performance is about equal for the average person. Definitely go with single ring on the drive sprocket and when it comes to suspension, its pretty much Rock Shox or Fox.

There are direct buy brand like YT for example, that can save you big money. But if you are like me and your MTB doesn't get nearly the attention maintenance wise that your Moto does, buy from a good local shop that will take care of your bike for you.
Ewan49 wrote:
Just curious....why do you think a 27.5 is better than a 29'er if you like to be more active on your bike, jump stuff, bunny hop...
Just curious....why do you think a 27.5 is better than a 29'er if you like to be more active on your bike, jump stuff, bunny hop things etc?
SImply because the 29 is a bigger wheel. Because of that it makes it harder to "lift", but on the flip side it doesn't matter w 29 cause you will simply roll over obstacles. The whole industry is 29 crazy right now, but give it a year or 2 and it will probably change.
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I live in Western Colorado, arguably the best mtb in the world. the 27.5 vs 29 debate is an interesting one. Imo, if you like to...
I live in Western Colorado, arguably the best mtb in the world. the 27.5 vs 29 debate is an interesting one. Imo, if you like to be more active on your bike, jump stuff, bunny hop things, etc. go w the 27.5. For lesser skilled folks the 29ers are awesome because you can just roll over stuff without needing to manage your line. But that is also why you are now seeing pro DH riders on 29, because they can go right over obstacles without worries.

You don't need a carbon frame to have a great bike, aluminum will save you 1000's of dollars and performance is about equal for the average person. Definitely go with single ring on the drive sprocket and when it comes to suspension, its pretty much Rock Shox or Fox.

There are direct buy brand like YT for example, that can save you big money. But if you are like me and your MTB doesn't get nearly the attention maintenance wise that your Moto does, buy from a good local shop that will take care of your bike for you.
Ewan49 wrote:
Just curious....why do you think a 27.5 is better than a 29'er if you like to be more active on your bike, jump stuff, bunny hop...
Just curious....why do you think a 27.5 is better than a 29'er if you like to be more active on your bike, jump stuff, bunny hop things etc?
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SImply because the 29 is a bigger wheel. Because of that it makes it harder to "lift", but on the flip side it doesn't matter w...
SImply because the 29 is a bigger wheel. Because of that it makes it harder to "lift", but on the flip side it doesn't matter w 29 cause you will simply roll over obstacles. The whole industry is 29 crazy right now, but give it a year or 2 and it will probably change.
Yes, something has to change in order for them to sell new bikes
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Personal preference and local terrain have a lot to do with it. Everyone is different but all trying to find the sweet spot with a MTB.

I ride a steel framed hardtail with an excellent fork and brakes and components and it does all things really well for me.

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Thanks for the input on the seat heights, guys! I have short legs so mine is always low and I still feel bent over to the...
Thanks for the input on the seat heights, guys! I have short legs so mine is always low and I still feel bent over to the bars so I always thought the position must be more awkward for tall guys with long legs.
51xc wrote:
a lot of people go 1 frame size smaller as actually recommended and compensate that with a longer stem. smaller frame will save you some weight...
a lot of people go 1 frame size smaller as actually recommended and compensate that with a longer stem. smaller frame will save you some weight but mainly will be more agile. that's why some seat heights can look pretty extreme too. looks like oshow did that for instance. so it's not just about your leg lenght.


That backwards seatpost looks weird as hell though... I remember when I first started riding I used to like 0 offset posts and fore aft pretty far forward. Maybe it's a moto thing...
Now I seemed to have gone to slight offset posts and run my saddle in a more neutral position
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I wanted a 29’er but but ran across a good deal on a Norco Sight 27.5 and absolutely love the damn thing. Does all I want it to on the trails a few blocks away. Going at it a little more than normal now that I am coming back from a broken ankle on the MX. Trying to get the strength back (mentally and physically) to get back to the tracks.
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51xc 9/30/2018 12:05pm
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That backwards seatpost looks weird as hell though... I remember when I first started riding I used to like 0 offset posts and fore aft pretty...
That backwards seatpost looks weird as hell though... I remember when I first started riding I used to like 0 offset posts and fore aft pretty far forward. Maybe it's a moto thing...
Now I seemed to have gone to slight offset posts and run my saddle in a more neutral position
yeah it does look strainge but it seems to work for him. maybe he runs a normal sized frame and has to bring his position with that seat post more to the front in order to run a longer stem. could be because of his knie problem...could be lack of flexibility...dunno...could be many things why he runs it like that.

for a xc rider I have a pretty trail-ish position. 10mm off set with a fairly centered saddle and only a 70mm stem with -6% rise. I even have one spacer underneath my stem. lol
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51xc 9/30/2018 12:16pm
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I wanted a 29’er but but ran across a good deal on a Norco Sight 27.5 and absolutely love the damn thing. Does all I want...
I wanted a 29’er but but ran across a good deal on a Norco Sight 27.5 and absolutely love the damn thing. Does all I want it to on the trails a few blocks away. Going at it a little more than normal now that I am coming back from a broken ankle on the MX. Trying to get the strength back (mentally and physically) to get back to the tracks.
nothing wrong with a 27.5. just like it doesn't matter for most people if they buy a kawasaki, ktm, honda...whatever. at most peoples level of athleticism it won't be the bike why you won't win a race or be as fast as your mates.
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Yes, something has to change in order for them to sell new bikes
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FGR01 9/30/2018 1:07pm
9/30/2018 1:07pm
Man, so many people are bought up in the hype about wheel size, geometry, etc. These are the same guys that buy different linkage rods for their MX bike without even researching if it’s longer or shorter but they know that’s brand they need.
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Rotaholic
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Rotaholic 9/30/2018 1:50pm
9/30/2018 1:50pm
I still can't believe you guys in the states bikes come out with the brakes on the wrong side, thats crazy!
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Bike Rat 9/30/2018 2:34pm
9/30/2018 2:34pm
Love my mtb! So convenient and fun! Northern Colorado forum members hit me up!
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