Clean air filters in gas ???

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Not spamming, but: [img]http://www.motoworldracing.com/media/Race%20Ready/race-ready-ReadyFilter.jpg[/img] changed my life.
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changed my life.
Slow ~ Pro wrote:
No offense, but no thank you ! I recently used these for a couple months...Absolutely did not like them. CHEAP IS NOT GOOD, GOOD, IS NOT...
No offense, but no thank you !

I recently used these for a couple months...Absolutely did not like them.

CHEAP IS NOT GOOD, GOOD, IS NOT CHEAP !
I won something like 50 of these playing MXD a couple of years ago and have used nothing but them since. I haven't cleaned a filter in so long I'm not sure I would remember how.

Before Ready Filters, I had the Twin Air super duper filters (or whatever they're called) that allow you to run the Twin Air filter cage without the backfire screen.

The bike definitely runs better with the Twin Air "power flow kit" but I wouldn't exchange it for the convenience of not having to clean and oil filters. Someday, many, many moons from now, I'll run out of the RFs and when that day comes, I'll go back to the old Twin Air filters and continue cleaning them with good old fashioned gasoline.
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Any of you remember when someone (Boyesen or the Brigstone guy?) had a filter exchange program going at the Pro races.......just take the old one out and give it to them and they handed you a clean oiled filter back.
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Mineral spirits, then the wife's laundry detergent until she runs out.
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Not spamming, but: [img]http://www.motoworldracing.com/media/Race%20Ready/race-ready-ReadyFilter.jpg[/img] changed my life.
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changed my life.
Slow ~ Pro wrote:
No offense, but no thank you ! I recently used these for a couple months...Absolutely did not like them. CHEAP IS NOT GOOD, GOOD, IS NOT...
No offense, but no thank you !

I recently used these for a couple months...Absolutely did not like them.

CHEAP IS NOT GOOD, GOOD, IS NOT CHEAP !
I get it...but what went wrong? Did your engine suck dirt or something? I actually use standard filters also, but when I am "ready" to ride, these things are great.

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Never used gas once in over 30 years.
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Not spamming, but: [img]http://www.motoworldracing.com/media/Race%20Ready/race-ready-ReadyFilter.jpg[/img] changed my life.
Not spamming, but:



changed my life.
Slow ~ Pro wrote:
No offense, but no thank you ! I recently used these for a couple months...Absolutely did not like them. CHEAP IS NOT GOOD, GOOD, IS NOT...
No offense, but no thank you !

I recently used these for a couple months...Absolutely did not like them.

CHEAP IS NOT GOOD, GOOD, IS NOT CHEAP !
I get it...but what went wrong? Did your engine suck dirt or something? I actually use standard filters also, but when I am "ready" to ride...
I get it...but what went wrong? Did your engine suck dirt or something? I actually use standard filters also, but when I am "ready" to ride, these things are great.
The filter didn't breathe properly...Popped in a No Toil, and felt like I picked up a couple ponies !

I have two exact bikes...Ran one with the Ready Filter, the other with a Pre-oiled No Toil...The results spoke loudly to me.

I quickly sent a resume to No toil.
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The filter didn't breathe properly...Popped in a No Toil, and felt like I picked up a couple ponies ! I have two exact bikes...Ran one with...
The filter didn't breathe properly...Popped in a No Toil, and felt like I picked up a couple ponies !

I have two exact bikes...Ran one with the Ready Filter, the other with a Pre-oiled No Toil...The results spoke loudly to me.

I quickly sent a resume to No toil.
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!
No-Toil is the only way to go. Nothing is easier than throwing 8 or so filters in the washing machine with a little soap and walking away. Come back 30 minutes later and they all look brand new. The bonus is, No-Toil breaths better than most filter oils which gives you a little extra hp.
4/3/2009 10:55pm
I clean mine while doing the dishes, and using it as a sponge , then I wipe down the counter tops and all appliances...
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I use Maxima FFT or Motorex filter oil with stock Honda air filters. Nothing beats the stock Honda air filters. I have a couple of gallons of kerosene in a sealed bucket that is a couple of years old. Once a year I strain out the solids and just keep on using it. After soaking the filter in the kerosene for five minutes, I squeeze out the excess and do warm soapy water baths until no silt is present in the bottom of the bucket. This can take as many as three soapy water baths with a very dirty filter. I don't run a back fire screen and I haven't greased a filter in 15 years. I haven't had to do any valve jobs even with several 100's of hours on my Hondas. Use disposable Nitrile gloves. Your hands will thank you.
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CamP wrote:
I use Maxima FFT or Motorex filter oil with stock Honda air filters. Nothing beats the stock Honda air filters. I have a couple of gallons...
I use Maxima FFT or Motorex filter oil with stock Honda air filters. Nothing beats the stock Honda air filters. I have a couple of gallons of kerosene in a sealed bucket that is a couple of years old. Once a year I strain out the solids and just keep on using it. After soaking the filter in the kerosene for five minutes, I squeeze out the excess and do warm soapy water baths until no silt is present in the bottom of the bucket. This can take as many as three soapy water baths with a very dirty filter. I don't run a back fire screen and I haven't greased a filter in 15 years. I haven't had to do any valve jobs even with several 100's of hours on my Hondas. Use disposable Nitrile gloves. Your hands will thank you.
This is exactly how I do it also except I use gas instead of kerosene. I never use grease either, there's no need to. Maxima FFT for the past 15 + years. That stuff is the best.
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CamP are you keeping the kerosene in a metal container ?
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fcr wrote:
CamP are you keeping the kerosene in a metal container ?
No, plastic.
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Slow ~ Pro wrote:
No Toil...Soap and water ! So you guys that use Kerosene, gas, Mineral spirits, and such..What do you do with it when you finish ? How...
No Toil...Soap and water !

So you guys that use Kerosene, gas, Mineral spirits, and such..What do you do with it when you finish ?
How do you dispose of it ?
put it back in the ground where it came from...
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Slow ~ Pro wrote:
No Toil...Soap and water ! So you guys that use Kerosene, gas, Mineral spirits, and such..What do you do with it when you finish ? How...
No Toil...Soap and water !

So you guys that use Kerosene, gas, Mineral spirits, and such..What do you do with it when you finish ?
How do you dispose of it ?
put it back in the ground where it came from...
I hope your not serious Superstar....Those things need to be disposed of properly. Otherwise it's just one more reason for the environmentalists to try and shut down riding areas.
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Larry wrote:
yep while smoking a cigarette. this motorcycle stuff is dangerous you know.
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I have totally done that.
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Thanks guys.......

I had a feeling that many of us still used the old school method. I cleaned filters for years in gas(no gloves btw). We sell a ton of no toil product but i figured a good percentage of the customers were using gas or kerosene.

So ....how does this tie in to the kids bike lead ban ?????

How does the body really absorb lead or any other substance ???

There is no lead in gasoline today but there are many other chemicals. Is there any study out there that shows how any of these substances can be absorbed ???

For any of us older folks that used leaded gas to clean filters, any known adverse medical issues. (no jokes about certain peoples mental state)

Yesterday the CPSC Chairman called for an exemption on youth ATV and motorcycles. A pretty clear indication that there is no immediate danger to our kids. I hope the MIC,AMA and OEM's don't sit for a year hoping this issue will just dissappear.

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Scotty wrote:
You guys still use grease on the lips?
Mike D wrote:
Giggling like Beavis and Butthead!!!!
I'll bite, why not?
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Scotty wrote:
You guys still use grease on the lips?
Mike D wrote:
Giggling like Beavis and Butthead!!!!
kaw rider9 wrote:
I'll bite, why not?
Don't bite, they don't like it when you bite. Well, maybe some do. Wink
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4/4/2009 6:52am Edited Date/Time 4/4/2009 7:09am
lumpy790 wrote:
I use kerosene in a small spackle bucket (reusable) to break down the oil then Dawn dish liquid (softens hands) to soap it up to break...
I use kerosene in a small spackle bucket (reusable) to break down the oil then Dawn dish liquid (softens hands) to soap it up to break down and wash out the dirt.
Me too...doing it that way for 10-15 years. Before that change, I used leaded gas for 25+ yearsWhistling
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Scotty wrote:
You guys still use grease on the lips?
Haven't for at least 10 years or more....if I oil it right, that should seal it, right?
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OOPS....the spackle bucket retired......I now use 2 one gallon margarita mix buckets that have a snap on lid. One gets the kerosene the other gets 2 bottles of Belray filter oil and a little gas to thin it out a little.

Quick rinse and squeeze excess back in the bucket then wash with Dawn dish soap. When clean and fairly dry submerge the filter in the filter oil bucket and squeeze as much back out as you can then let it sit for a while and pop the clean filters into a zip lock bag.

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RNagy052 wrote:
I used gas to clean them back in the late 70's. Back in the day when you used 10w40 motor oil from the autoparts store to...
I used gas to clean them back in the late 70's. Back in the day when you used 10w40 motor oil from the autoparts store to fill your gear box. Then used what was left over to oil your filter, before you slopped the grease all over the lip of it to make sure it would seal.

What fun, especially at the beginning of the season in Michigan in March when it might be 30 - 35 degrees out while you were cleaning that filter outside with gas.

Now I just use the Twin Air Bio stuff. makes it much easier.
I use the twin air biodegradable and cleaner also.
Works very well and eco friendly.
Also use Twin Air filters.
It is more expensive, but I think the filters last longer, and I don't have the dangers of fuel and the disposing to deal with.
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Always have, (35 years) always will. Soap does nothing to the oil..........my opinion
And what is so danged " dangerous" using gasoline?
No flame / sparks..........DUH!.....you smoke when filling up the family mini van?
Discarding the stuff is a problem..................just pour it in mini van while puffin a dubie, it's all good. But seriously, after you clean the filter use the same gas to clean your chain. Chain and gas in bucket, swril it around a bit, let it soak, remove and apply chain wax, let set up and place back on your quad..............I mean" sickle" Said chain will last three times longer.
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jib-tmb wrote:
No Toil - can't stand the smell of gas or kerosene on my hands.
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fcr wrote:
CamP are you keeping the kerosene in a metal container ?
CamP wrote:
No, plastic.
Thanks, I was wondering if it broke down the plastic container. I keep most solvent type stuff in 1 gallon paint cans with lids. They are sometimes too small .
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4/4/2009 10:25am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:14pm
I used to work for Ready Filter and not calling anyone out but, but not breathing well? I am not sure what you mean by that or how you could tell your bike picked up a couple ponies after puting something else in by just riding it. In dyno tests that were done all the filters and oils were pretty close when put into the bike brand new hence, the importance of a clean filter. All the filters out there are great products and work well. The only time you started to lose ponies is when you had a dirty filter on the bike. To really tell a difference even on the dyno, the filters had to be drasticaly different in regards to cleanliness. The Ready Filter uses Maxima FFT oil so, I wouldn't think that is the problem. It is a dual stage filter just like twin-air, and all the "major" brands.

Like I said, I am definetely not spamming here, I USED to work for them (it has ben 3 years) and I was there when the product was being put through a battery of tests as I had to get people to believe in the product. the first generation, that was around for only a couple months was garbage and I went through the whole "cheap isn't good" attitude of growing the company and I have witnessed first hand race teams, mechanics and naysayers proved wrong by testing and using them. It was kind of comical, I felt like a local drug dealer, where nobody wanted to use it becasue of the price, It couldn't be good. It was cheap. Once teams, test riders, or basicaly anybody would use it I would get the phone call.... "Can I get some more" haha. The main reason why I left the company was it's inability to keep the product stocked and the constant back order problem we had!

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I am not knocking anyone, it is just that this particular one doesn't make sense by what I witnessed while I was there. I must say, having 2 "exact" bikes with 2 clean filters and being able to tell a difference at the throttle seems a little sketchy to me. If that is true you missed your calling as a test rider! For one, no two bikes are the same and a good test rider could probably tell some differences between two bikes rolled off the showroom floor. It sounds like you could fit into this catagory! lol.

The only downfall is you just can't wash them multiple times in harsh chemicals. But the idea behind the product was to not wash a filter but slap a brand new one in! Bottom line..... nothing beats a brand new clean filter, no matter what kind it is!
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all those years in a garage cleaning parts as a kid before the lead ban..maybe i can sue for brain damage..Har!!!!!
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09450f wrote:
all those years in a garage cleaning parts as a kid before the lead ban..maybe i can sue for brain damage..Har!!!!!
Strong possibility ...Wink
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Slow ~ Pro wrote:
No Toil...Soap and water ! So you guys that use Kerosene, gas, Mineral spirits, and such..What do you do with it when you finish ? How...
No Toil...Soap and water !

So you guys that use Kerosene, gas, Mineral spirits, and such..What do you do with it when you finish ?
How do you dispose of it ?
09450f wrote:
filter it and run thru the old lawnmower
fcr wrote:
I just walk out to the curb and dump it down the drain. It runs off to the back bay so the smell doesn't linger in...
I just walk out to the curb and dump it down the drain. It runs off to the back bay so the smell doesn't linger in the street to bug me.
No wonder my Kayak smells funny.
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Regis wrote:
I used to work for Ready Filter and not calling anyone out but, but not breathing well? I am not sure what you mean by that...
I used to work for Ready Filter and not calling anyone out but, but not breathing well? I am not sure what you mean by that or how you could tell your bike picked up a couple ponies after puting something else in by just riding it. In dyno tests that were done all the filters and oils were pretty close when put into the bike brand new hence, the importance of a clean filter. All the filters out there are great products and work well. The only time you started to lose ponies is when you had a dirty filter on the bike. To really tell a difference even on the dyno, the filters had to be drasticaly different in regards to cleanliness. The Ready Filter uses Maxima FFT oil so, I wouldn't think that is the problem. It is a dual stage filter just like twin-air, and all the "major" brands.

Like I said, I am definetely not spamming here, I USED to work for them (it has ben 3 years) and I was there when the product was being put through a battery of tests as I had to get people to believe in the product. the first generation, that was around for only a couple months was garbage and I went through the whole "cheap isn't good" attitude of growing the company and I have witnessed first hand race teams, mechanics and naysayers proved wrong by testing and using them. It was kind of comical, I felt like a local drug dealer, where nobody wanted to use it becasue of the price, It couldn't be good. It was cheap. Once teams, test riders, or basicaly anybody would use it I would get the phone call.... "Can I get some more" haha. The main reason why I left the company was it's inability to keep the product stocked and the constant back order problem we had!

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I am not knocking anyone, it is just that this particular one doesn't make sense by what I witnessed while I was there. I must say, having 2 "exact" bikes with 2 clean filters and being able to tell a difference at the throttle seems a little sketchy to me. If that is true you missed your calling as a test rider! For one, no two bikes are the same and a good test rider could probably tell some differences between two bikes rolled off the showroom floor. It sounds like you could fit into this catagory! lol.

The only downfall is you just can't wash them multiple times in harsh chemicals. But the idea behind the product was to not wash a filter but slap a brand new one in! Bottom line..... nothing beats a brand new clean filter, no matter what kind it is!
I'll explain my scenario...Actually, one bike has a light on it, but other than that, exact.

At the recent Adelanto GP, A friend and I showed up on my bikes. before race, I wanted to drag race. He is about 30 lighter than me. However, I am much better looking...moving on.

When we raced he pulled me hands down. Prior to our race, I suggested we change filters, because it is a top end race, and a clean filter will aid top end.

I put in a new No Toil, he grabbed a Ready filter...I had some left over Ready filters, and did not know he was using it, and did not know until I changed it after the week end.

We were parked about a mile from the start area, On the way to the starting line, we went into drag race mode again...This time I pulled him by 50 yards in about a quarter mile.

The only difference...No Toil !
Breathing right, or filtering right...However you wish to word it. The No Toil, worked better !

As far as Dyno results...I don't race on a Dyno, I race on a track...

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