Herlings is top level

jeffro503 wrote:

I'm certain on both really. I know what I saw on TV , and yeah.....I know Herling's is unbelievable basically every where he rides. I think...

I'm certain on both really. I know what I saw on TV , and yeah.....I know Herling's is unbelievable basically every where he rides. I think he's even stronger now then he was last year. And like I said.....my money is on Eli if they both get good start's , but I would NOT be shocked to see Jeffrey beat him either! They both seem to be from a different planet right now.

jeffro503 wrote:

I'm certain on both really. I know what I saw on TV , and yeah.....I know Herling's is unbelievable basically every where he rides. I think...

I'm certain on both really. I know what I saw on TV , and yeah.....I know Herling's is unbelievable basically every where he rides. I think he's even stronger now then he was last year. And like I said.....my money is on Eli if they both get good start's , but I would NOT be shocked to see Jeffrey beat him either! They both seem to be from a different planet right now.

Rosso391 wrote:

I agree Eli can do it if he gets a decent start. But how insane would it be if he didn't get a good start. And...

I agree Eli can do it if he gets a decent start. But how insane would it be if he didn't get a good start. And goes FULL BEAST MODE when Herlings is out front and passes him late in the moto? That would be completely awesome/insane!

WCRider wrote:

If Marvi doesn't crash at Iron, Herlings would not have won. ET was a bit burned after a long long season and he had everything to...

If Marvi doesn't crash at Iron, Herlings would not have won. ET was a bit burned after a long long season and he had everything to lose. Iron is not a good argument for the Herlings fans imo.

We talk about the fastest man on the planet right ? The lap timing at WWranch talked about. Eli was 0.35 faster than Herlings on a sand track (Best lap time of the day in moto 1). You can not deny it.

I agree about the consistency. Herlings is clearly better, no doubt. He is more in control i think. Maybe The KTM help him a bit...

Let's talk about riding style. Eli is clearly more beautiful to watch (Ok it's subjective but it's my opinion). Amazing skill legs, amazing intensity of riding, his body position is just perfect. Herlings looks and ride like a guy of GP500 and he looks a bit ugly on the bike, massive, heavy, square but i m ok, it's effective on a 450...

In brief, on a whole championship i think Herlings has an advantage but i prefer watch Tomac easy. That's a matter of taste.


I tried to be objective.

WCRider wrote:

If Marvi doesn't crash at Iron, Herlings would not have won. ET was a bit burned after a long long season and he had everything to...

If Marvi doesn't crash at Iron, Herlings would not have won. ET was a bit burned after a long long season and he had everything to lose. Iron is not a good argument for the Herlings fans imo.

We talk about the fastest man on the planet right ? The lap timing at WWranch talked about. Eli was 0.35 faster than Herlings on a sand track (Best lap time of the day in moto 1). You can not deny it.

I agree about the consistency. Herlings is clearly better, no doubt. He is more in control i think. Maybe The KTM help him a bit...

Let's talk about riding style. Eli is clearly more beautiful to watch (Ok it's subjective but it's my opinion). Amazing skill legs, amazing intensity of riding, his body position is just perfect. Herlings looks and ride like a guy of GP500 and he looks a bit ugly on the bike, massive, heavy, square but i m ok, it's effective on a 450...

In brief, on a whole championship i think Herlings has an advantage but i prefer watch Tomac easy. That's a matter of taste.


I tried to be objective.

jamma10 wrote:

Herlings was; 4 seconds faster in timed qualifying. 5 seconds faster in the qualifying race 2 seconds faster in the second moto. But lets hang our...

Herlings was;

4 seconds faster in timed qualifying.
5 seconds faster in the qualifying race
2 seconds faster in the second moto.

But lets hang our hat on that 0.35 difference on the 3rd lap of the opening moto...

WCRider wrote:

If Marvi doesn't crash at Iron, Herlings would not have won. ET was a bit burned after a long long season and he had everything to...

If Marvi doesn't crash at Iron, Herlings would not have won. ET was a bit burned after a long long season and he had everything to lose. Iron is not a good argument for the Herlings fans imo.

We talk about the fastest man on the planet right ? The lap timing at WWranch talked about. Eli was 0.35 faster than Herlings on a sand track (Best lap time of the day in moto 1). You can not deny it.

I agree about the consistency. Herlings is clearly better, no doubt. He is more in control i think. Maybe The KTM help him a bit...

Let's talk about riding style. Eli is clearly more beautiful to watch (Ok it's subjective but it's my opinion). Amazing skill legs, amazing intensity of riding, his body position is just perfect. Herlings looks and ride like a guy of GP500 and he looks a bit ugly on the bike, massive, heavy, square but i m ok, it's effective on a 450...

In brief, on a whole championship i think Herlings has an advantage but i prefer watch Tomac easy. That's a matter of taste.


I tried to be objective.

jamma10 wrote:

Herlings was; 4 seconds faster in timed qualifying. 5 seconds faster in the qualifying race 2 seconds faster in the second moto. But lets hang our...

Herlings was;

4 seconds faster in timed qualifying.
5 seconds faster in the qualifying race
2 seconds faster in the second moto.

But lets hang our hat on that 0.35 difference on the 3rd lap of the opening moto...

WCRider wrote:

If Marvi doesn't crash at Iron, Herlings would not have won. ET was a bit burned after a long long season and he had everything to...

If Marvi doesn't crash at Iron, Herlings would not have won. ET was a bit burned after a long long season and he had everything to lose. Iron is not a good argument for the Herlings fans imo.

We talk about the fastest man on the planet right ? The lap timing at WWranch talked about. Eli was 0.35 faster than Herlings on a sand track (Best lap time of the day in moto 1). You can not deny it.

I agree about the consistency. Herlings is clearly better, no doubt. He is more in control i think. Maybe The KTM help him a bit...

Let's talk about riding style. Eli is clearly more beautiful to watch (Ok it's subjective but it's my opinion). Amazing skill legs, amazing intensity of riding, his body position is just perfect. Herlings looks and ride like a guy of GP500 and he looks a bit ugly on the bike, massive, heavy, square but i m ok, it's effective on a 450...

In brief, on a whole championship i think Herlings has an advantage but i prefer watch Tomac easy. That's a matter of taste.


I tried to be objective.

WCRider wrote:

If Marvi doesn't crash at Iron, Herlings would not have won. ET was a bit burned after a long long season and he had everything to...

If Marvi doesn't crash at Iron, Herlings would not have won. ET was a bit burned after a long long season and he had everything to lose. Iron is not a good argument for the Herlings fans imo.

We talk about the fastest man on the planet right ? The lap timing at WWranch talked about. Eli was 0.35 faster than Herlings on a sand track (Best lap time of the day in moto 1). You can not deny it.

I agree about the consistency. Herlings is clearly better, no doubt. He is more in control i think. Maybe The KTM help him a bit...

Let's talk about riding style. Eli is clearly more beautiful to watch (Ok it's subjective but it's my opinion). Amazing skill legs, amazing intensity of riding, his body position is just perfect. Herlings looks and ride like a guy of GP500 and he looks a bit ugly on the bike, massive, heavy, square but i m ok, it's effective on a 450...

In brief, on a whole championship i think Herlings has an advantage but i prefer watch Tomac easy. That's a matter of taste.


I tried to be objective.

wideopen198 wrote:

Yes and if you aunt had a cock it would be your uncle.... if, if, if.... If you think Herlings has an ugly style I'll just...

Yes and if you aunt had a cock it would be your uncle.... if, if, if....

If you think Herlings has an ugly style I'll just remind you of this:
https://youtu.be/34qwHGiQ88I?t=55s

Tomac is fast with his wide open style taking outside lines but when it comes to riding technique Herlings' got him covered. They both have a different approach to riding a bike fast.

WCRider wrote:

"Yes and if you aunt had a cock it would be your uncle.... if, if, if...." Pls stop with that, i can say the same about...

"Yes and if you aunt had a cock it would be your uncle.... if, if, if...."

Pls stop with that, i can say the same about the Herlings fans...

"it comes to riding technique Herlings' got him covered."

Yes this is why ET is one of the best SX rider i guess...

Tomac vs Herlings at Daytona could give the answer but unfortunately, it will never happen...

Edit : I forget a fact : Tomac 2018 is way better than Tomac 2017.

WCRider wrote:

But still the best lap of the day right ? ;) Maybe Herlings is a bit faster overall but Tomac is more entertaining to watch (Just...

But still the best lap of the day right ?

Maybe Herlings is a bit faster overall but Tomac is more entertaining to watch (Just my opinion).

RichardLoots wrote:

[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/08/08/279411/s1200_Tomac.jpg.3a1cc9238ac58ffae1deb5f7db66a429.jpg[/img]

RichardLoots wrote:

[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/08/08/279411/s1200_Tomac.jpg.3a1cc9238ac58ffae1deb5f7db66a429.jpg[/img]

WCRider wrote:

If Marvi doesn't crash at Iron, Herlings would not have won. ET was a bit burned after a long long season and he had everything to...

If Marvi doesn't crash at Iron, Herlings would not have won. ET was a bit burned after a long long season and he had everything to lose. Iron is not a good argument for the Herlings fans imo.

We talk about the fastest man on the planet right ? The lap timing at WWranch talked about. Eli was 0.35 faster than Herlings on a sand track (Best lap time of the day in moto 1). You can not deny it.

I agree about the consistency. Herlings is clearly better, no doubt. He is more in control i think. Maybe The KTM help him a bit...

Let's talk about riding style. Eli is clearly more beautiful to watch (Ok it's subjective but it's my opinion). Amazing skill legs, amazing intensity of riding, his body position is just perfect. Herlings looks and ride like a guy of GP500 and he looks a bit ugly on the bike, massive, heavy, square but i m ok, it's effective on a 450...

In brief, on a whole championship i think Herlings has an advantage but i prefer watch Tomac easy. That's a matter of taste.


I tried to be objective.

jamma10 wrote:

Herlings was; 4 seconds faster in timed qualifying. 5 seconds faster in the qualifying race 2 seconds faster in the second moto. But lets hang our...

Herlings was;

4 seconds faster in timed qualifying.
5 seconds faster in the qualifying race
2 seconds faster in the second moto.

But lets hang our hat on that 0.35 difference on the 3rd lap of the opening moto...

shaffstall721 wrote:

Since when did they hand out points for qualifying times and races? It doesn't matter. He split moto's on a sand track with Herlings... That's the...

Since when did they hand out points for qualifying times and races?

It doesn't matter.

He split moto's on a sand track with Herlings... That's the facts.

Are you going to take away that he smoked everyone in MXGP at Glenn Helen because he qualified like 5th but flew past everyone after two terrible starts like they were standing still?

They have raced one real race together so far (Cant count ironman as tomac was obviously putting around)

It was on a sand track and Herling's won.

Shut up until October.

RG1 wrote:

jamma10 wrote:

Herlings was; 4 seconds faster in timed qualifying. 5 seconds faster in the qualifying race 2 seconds faster in the second moto. But lets hang our...

Herlings was;

4 seconds faster in timed qualifying.
5 seconds faster in the qualifying race
2 seconds faster in the second moto.

But lets hang our hat on that 0.35 difference on the 3rd lap of the opening moto...

shaffstall721 wrote:

Since when did they hand out points for qualifying times and races? It doesn't matter. He split moto's on a sand track with Herlings... That's the...

Since when did they hand out points for qualifying times and races?

It doesn't matter.

He split moto's on a sand track with Herlings... That's the facts.

Are you going to take away that he smoked everyone in MXGP at Glenn Helen because he qualified like 5th but flew past everyone after two terrible starts like they were standing still?

They have raced one real race together so far (Cant count ironman as tomac was obviously putting around)

It was on a sand track and Herling's won.

Shut up until October.

jamma10 wrote:

You can discount Ironman if it suits you man, it's fine... :) Tomac is a badass mutha trucker, no one's denying that. I was simply disputing...

You can discount Ironman if it suits you man, it's fine...

Tomac is a badass mutha trucker, no one's denying that. I was simply disputing the logic of citing the one single example in about ten where he had a faster lap time than Herlings last year.

RG1 wrote:

WCRider wrote:

[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/08/08/279422/s1200_herlingsvalkcrash_m01.jpg[/img]

shaffstall721 wrote:

Since when did they hand out points for qualifying times and races? It doesn't matter. He split moto's on a sand track with Herlings... That's the...

Since when did they hand out points for qualifying times and races?

It doesn't matter.

He split moto's on a sand track with Herlings... That's the facts.

Are you going to take away that he smoked everyone in MXGP at Glenn Helen because he qualified like 5th but flew past everyone after two terrible starts like they were standing still?

They have raced one real race together so far (Cant count ironman as tomac was obviously putting around)

It was on a sand track and Herling's won.

Shut up until October.

shaffstall721 wrote:

Ironman no matter what Tomac did made you realize just how fast Herlings was. I never seen Marvin ride over his head so much in my...

Ironman no matter what Tomac did made you realize just how fast Herlings was.

I never seen Marvin ride over his head so much in my life, just to try to stay with him, even that wasn't enough.

After watching Herlings struggle his first year in MXGP the first few rounds and not come up with any excuses I became a fan.

Unfortunately the guy is making MXGP boring to watch, he is typically gone within the first ten minutes.

I can't wait to watch him and Eli battle (I hope its a battle) in October.

Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:

And still won both motos, from a bad gate pick & had to run down Cairoli.

RichardLoots wrote:

lets hope they al make it safe and healthy and we get to see a great and historic MXON 2018

WCRider wrote:

How many injuries in his career ?

RichardLoots wrote:

dude , come on ..grow up

Park Boys wrote:

My bad, my grammar and spelling has never been a strong suite.

jeffro503 wrote:

You might want to go re-watch , and pay close attention to Ironman last year. Musquin was reeling Jeffrey in before he went down. In the...

You might want to go re-watch , and pay close attention to Ironman last year. Musquin was reeling Jeffrey in before he went down. In the other moto Marv's lap times were not only faster ( yeah I know , clear track ) But crashed again with a 10 second lead.

Think about it......Marv usually get's his ass handed to him by Eli. At that race , Eli was trying to wrap up a championship. Some of you that think Eli can't run with Jeffrey.....are going to be in for a shock come MXoN's. In fact , my money is on Eli if they start together. I don't think some of you comprehend the speed's that dude is carrying right now.

Aryen wrote:

Something tells me you are not 100% certain about this, haha! I know for a fact you recognize JH’s alien like abilities.

NateDawg wrote:

He's right about Iron Man. The 1st Moto Musquin ran a 2:07.7 to Herlings' 2:08.3. In the 2nd moto Musquin ran a 2:08.8 to Herlings' 2:08.3...

He's right about Iron Man. The 1st Moto Musquin ran a 2:07.7 to Herlings' 2:08.3. In the 2nd moto Musquin ran a 2:08.8 to Herlings' 2:08.3.

They were basically the same speed. I can't remember the last time Marvin marched Eli's speed on a motocross track. All the evidence suggest Tomac was playing it safe for the title that day at Iron Man. Herlings is a fantastic rider but some of you aren't giving Tomac the respect he deserves.

WCRider wrote:

How many injuries in his career ?

Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:

3 collarbones ?
1 femur
1 dislocated hip
1 severed finger

Can't think of any more.

shaffstall721 wrote:

Since when did they hand out points for qualifying times and races? It doesn't matter. He split moto's on a sand track with Herlings... That's the...

Since when did they hand out points for qualifying times and races?

It doesn't matter.

He split moto's on a sand track with Herlings... That's the facts.

Are you going to take away that he smoked everyone in MXGP at Glenn Helen because he qualified like 5th but flew past everyone after two terrible starts like they were standing still?

They have raced one real race together so far (Cant count ironman as tomac was obviously putting around)

It was on a sand track and Herling's won.

Shut up until October.

Brownstone322 wrote:

"He split moto's on a sand track with Herlings... That's the facts." Did you actually watch the first moto of the USGP? It was all about...

"He split moto's on a sand track with Herlings... That's the facts."

Did you actually watch the first moto of the USGP? It was all about the start. Starts count, sure, but Herlings started outside the top 10 and was never in contact with the lead. You're making it sound as if they raced head to head or Tomac ran Herlings down. Speaking of that ...

"Cant count ironman as tomac was obviously putting around"

Right. Tomac won the holeshot in the first moto at Ironman, and Herling blew by him same as he used to blow by the MX2 field, same as he blows by the MXGP field now. Tomac crashed trying to respond. Those are the real facts.

Now, we can agree that Tomac played it safe in the second moto -- fair enough, I would've too -- but Herlings' charge from 39th was still a pretty impressive run. Let's say it all again: "Dropped in on short notice, borrowed bike, never seen the circuit before, won both motos." Show me someone else pulling that stunt. Anybody!

It is amazing to me that people still make excuses for the entire AMA field at Ironman '17, but here we are. At RedBud -- after Herlings wins his qualifying race and two motos -- it'll be more of the same, I guess.