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censor
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A person authorized to examine books, films, or other material and to remove or suppress what is considered morally, politically, or otherwise objectionable OR JUST PLAIN DUMB
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tcallahan707 wrote:
You have a valid point. The correct way to look at it is if you get something for free on the internet, it’s very likely you...
You have a valid point. The correct way to look at it is if you get something for free on the internet, it’s very likely you are the product the site is selling (aka data and eyeballs to advertisers).

With that being said, I hope you can understand how we are the reason this site stays in business and can employ some folks as well.

Correct.
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motogreasey wrote:
I'm sorry to say but you act like some of the people you "click". I'm not trying to be disrespectful but your CUSTOMERS, keep you employed...
I'm sorry to say but you act like some of the people you "click". I'm not trying to be disrespectful but your CUSTOMERS, keep you employed. VITAL's traffic, is your customer base! What gives, with the over the top censorship/thread manipulation?
Monte122 wrote:
I will never understand this "we are your customers" logic In sales, commerce and economics, a customer (sometimes known as a client, buyer, or purchaser) is...
I will never understand this "we are your customers" logic

In sales, commerce and economics, a customer (sometimes known as a client, buyer, or purchaser) is the recipient of a good, service, product or an idea - obtained from a seller, vendor, or supplier via a financial transaction or exchange for money or some other valuable consideration.

Ps: Vitards will come and go..........I'm sure the forum will survive without a few dissatisfied customers.
tcallahan707 wrote:
You have a valid point. The correct way to look at it is if you get something for free on the internet, it’s very likely you...
You have a valid point. The correct way to look at it is if you get something for free on the internet, it’s very likely you are the product the site is selling (aka data and eyeballs to advertisers).

With that being said, I hope you can understand how we are the reason this site stays in business and can employ some folks as well.

I agree with you and I understand how the site stays in business.

However, I hope you understand that as non paying customers, we don't have the "right" to demand or tell the mods how to manage the site.

In public forums the only thing we are entitle to is our opinion.
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tcallahan707 6/25/2018 7:44am
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Monte122 wrote:
I will never understand this "we are your customers" logic In sales, commerce and economics, a customer (sometimes known as a client, buyer, or purchaser) is...
I will never understand this "we are your customers" logic

In sales, commerce and economics, a customer (sometimes known as a client, buyer, or purchaser) is the recipient of a good, service, product or an idea - obtained from a seller, vendor, or supplier via a financial transaction or exchange for money or some other valuable consideration.

Ps: Vitards will come and go..........I'm sure the forum will survive without a few dissatisfied customers.
tcallahan707 wrote:
You have a valid point. The correct way to look at it is if you get something for free on the internet, it’s very likely you...
You have a valid point. The correct way to look at it is if you get something for free on the internet, it’s very likely you are the product the site is selling (aka data and eyeballs to advertisers).

With that being said, I hope you can understand how we are the reason this site stays in business and can employ some folks as well.

Monte122 wrote:
I agree with you and I understand how the site stays in business. However, I hope you understand that as non paying customers, we don't have...
I agree with you and I understand how the site stays in business.

However, I hope you understand that as non paying customers, we don't have the "right" to demand or tell the mods how to manage the site.

In public forums the only thing we are entitle to is our opinion.
You are correct. We do not have that “right.” However, appears that some are expressing their opinion regarding how the site is managed in this post, as well as how it may be a good idea to listen to said opinion because their product can jump off the shelf and walk out the door. The mentality of “I’m sure the site will survive without a few dissatisfied customers (this seems to conflict with the rest of your post)” isn’t how I would approach it. Ultimately, it is their choice though.

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Monte122 wrote:
I will never understand this "we are your customers" logic In sales, commerce and economics, a customer (sometimes known as a client, buyer, or purchaser) is...
I will never understand this "we are your customers" logic

In sales, commerce and economics, a customer (sometimes known as a client, buyer, or purchaser) is the recipient of a good, service, product or an idea - obtained from a seller, vendor, or supplier via a financial transaction or exchange for money or some other valuable consideration.

Ps: Vitards will come and go..........I'm sure the forum will survive without a few dissatisfied customers.
tcallahan707 wrote:
You have a valid point. The correct way to look at it is if you get something for free on the internet, it’s very likely you...
You have a valid point. The correct way to look at it is if you get something for free on the internet, it’s very likely you are the product the site is selling (aka data and eyeballs to advertisers).

With that being said, I hope you can understand how we are the reason this site stays in business and can employ some folks as well.

Monte122 wrote:
I agree with you and I understand how the site stays in business. However, I hope you understand that as non paying customers, we don't have...
I agree with you and I understand how the site stays in business.

However, I hope you understand that as non paying customers, we don't have the "right" to demand or tell the mods how to manage the site.

In public forums the only thing we are entitle to is our opinion.
Slightly contradicting sentences..
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stillwelding 6/25/2018 7:49am
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andy wrote:
Guy B should be ashamed of biasing this forum. Probably will ban me now. So be it. Major loss of respect.
I agree with you about the speed of some GP riders. If you don't like how you're treated here, open your own forum. Maybe a few of us will drop in. How about "EssentialMXGP" for your forum name?
motogreasey 6/25/2018 7:52am
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motogreasey wrote:
I'm sorry to say but you act like some of the people you "click". I'm not trying to be disrespectful but your CUSTOMERS, keep you employed...
I'm sorry to say but you act like some of the people you "click". I'm not trying to be disrespectful but your CUSTOMERS, keep you employed. VITAL's traffic, is your customer base! What gives, with the over the top censorship/thread manipulation?
Monte122 wrote:
I will never understand this "we are your customers" logic In sales, commerce and economics, a customer (sometimes known as a client, buyer, or purchaser) is...
I will never understand this "we are your customers" logic

In sales, commerce and economics, a customer (sometimes known as a client, buyer, or purchaser) is the recipient of a good, service, product or an idea - obtained from a seller, vendor, or supplier via a financial transaction or exchange for money or some other valuable consideration.

Ps: Vitards will come and go..........I'm sure the forum will survive without a few dissatisfied customers.
It's like arguing that the Earth is round. The Internet has changed the status quo. Traffic generates money through ad's. This is nothing new and not even worth arguing about. It is a fact! I would explain the obvious but if you're missing it already, then what's the point. You condone censorship and forum manipulation, good for you!
Maybe those calling others Vitards need to understand the reality in 2018.
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I would also like to add that posts are being deleted by moderators without any notice, just because somebody doesn't like it.. I didn't insult anyone, my posts were within forums' rules and yet they get deleted. My point is that if you delete someone's post, then let him know why. I was a moderator on a much larger IT forum and we weren't allowed to delete anything without noticing a user.
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FreshTopEnd 6/25/2018 7:56am
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There's an adult solution to this; if the place doesn't suit you, find another that does.
motogreasey 6/25/2018 7:56am
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Monte122 wrote:
I agree with you and I understand how the site stays in business. However, I hope you understand that as non paying customers, we don't have...
I agree with you and I understand how the site stays in business.

However, I hope you understand that as non paying customers, we don't have the "right" to demand or tell the mods how to manage the site.

In public forums the only thing we are entitle to is our opinion.
Has nothing to do with paying or not. Visiting this site, contributing, makes this website money. That is a fact. I am simply pointing out an over zealous mentality when it comes to censorship and forum manipulation. I don't know why people would defend it, it's not a positive attribute. I understand the need for moderation, Vital has simply taken it to levels I don't see elsewhere.
motogreasey 6/25/2018 7:59am
6/25/2018 7:59am
kkawboy14 wrote:
censor :: noun A person authorized to examine books, films, or other material and to remove or suppress what is considered morally, politically, or otherwise objectionable...
censor
:: noun
A person authorized to examine books, films, or other material and to remove or suppress what is considered morally, politically, or otherwise objectionable OR JUST PLAIN DUMB
Good for you!
mattyhamz2 6/25/2018 7:59am
6/25/2018 7:59am
After your rants about Roczen being better than all but one American(actually 2 because Barcia beat him and is still ahead of him in points), I'd say you're the one that is bias.

I love this forum and ML512 and GuyB do a great job.

Much TY
motogreasey 6/25/2018 8:00am
6/25/2018 8:00am
FreshTopEnd wrote:
There's an adult solution to this; if the place doesn't suit you, find another that does.
Actually, that's not a solution! That's someone being a blowhard and defending a childish mentality, while displaying one of their own.
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
There's an adult solution to this; if the place doesn't suit you, find another that does.
motogreasey wrote:
Actually, that's not a solution! That's someone being a blowhard and defending a childish mentality, while displaying one of their own.
3.
motogreasey 6/25/2018 8:02am
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fpandjic wrote:
I would also like to add that posts are being deleted by moderators without any notice, just because somebody doesn't like it.. I didn't insult anyone...
I would also like to add that posts are being deleted by moderators without any notice, just because somebody doesn't like it.. I didn't insult anyone, my posts were within forums' rules and yet they get deleted. My point is that if you delete someone's post, then let him know why. I was a moderator on a much larger IT forum and we weren't allowed to delete anything without noticing a user.
I know I'm not the only one that sees the problem, just too many people that go along with it. Stand up for what's right people and think for yourself!
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motogreasey wrote:
I know I'm not the only one that sees the problem, just too many people that go along with it. Stand up for what's right people...
I know I'm not the only one that sees the problem, just too many people that go along with it. Stand up for what's right people and think for yourself!
2.

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FreshTopEnd wrote:
There's an adult solution to this; if the place doesn't suit you, find another that does.
motogreasey wrote:
Actually, that's not a solution! That's someone being a blowhard and defending a childish mentality, while displaying one of their own.
Take your sleveless "Fight the Power" jean jacket and your fake army boots and go check out the hiking forums.

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GuyB 6/25/2018 8:05am
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GuyB wrote:
3.
motogreasey wrote:
3?

Is this a threat?
No, it's a pop-quiz to see how quick a learner you are. If you're going to go out in a blaze of glory, make sure that the last one is really good. Smile
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Out of the 8 pages, probably 6 1/2 pages were about vegimite and politics and 1 about religion. In term of proportion it can even top...
Out of the 8 pages, probably 6 1/2 pages were about vegimite and politics and 1 about religion. In term of proportion it can even top the dumbgeon. So basically it ended where it should. No need to have hard feelings !
Dougy1 wrote:
Can you get vegimite in france?
Don't know what your missing
But yeh the thread got a bit twisted..
LOL we don't. I tried marmite and a few stuffs in the UK but not vegimite. I will try it when I can Smile
motogreasey 6/25/2018 8:08am
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Take your sleveless "Fight the Power" jean jacket and your fake army boots and go check out the hiking forums.
WTF are you talking about?
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GuyB 6/25/2018 8:10am
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fpandjic wrote:
I would also like to add that posts are being deleted by moderators without any notice, just because somebody doesn't like it.. I didn't insult anyone...
I would also like to add that posts are being deleted by moderators without any notice, just because somebody doesn't like it.. I didn't insult anyone, my posts were within forums' rules and yet they get deleted. My point is that if you delete someone's post, then let him know why. I was a moderator on a much larger IT forum and we weren't allowed to delete anything without noticing a user.
Was your post one that quoted someone else? If the original post is deleted, the ones that quote it also go. Just an FYI.
motogreasey 6/25/2018 8:12am
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GuyB wrote:
No, it's a pop-quiz to see how quick a learner you are. If you're going to go out in a blaze of glory, make sure that...
No, it's a pop-quiz to see how quick a learner you are. If you're going to go out in a blaze of glory, make sure that the last one is really good. Smile
You have zero tolerance when people disagree with you. What I find interesting is your allowance of those that attack others, on your behalf. Regardless if you like it or not, my point is valid and has been expressed many times. I have done nothing disrespectful and any harsh words are simply retaliatory.

What have I done to deserve ANY judgement?

Harry Backmon 6/25/2018 8:16am
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Donovan759 wrote:
Take your sleveless "Fight the Power" jean jacket and your fake army boots and go check out the hiking forums.
Haha! That is hilarious! Zing!
motogreasey 6/25/2018 8:18am
6/25/2018 8:18am Edited Date/Time 6/25/2018 8:21am
Another, good for you! I'd say more but, ya know, my freedom of speech is limited! Unbelievable, how some of you people have an unbelievably biased mentality and support one just the same! Truly amazing!
motogreasey 6/25/2018 8:20am
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Harry Backmon wrote:
Haha! That is hilarious! Zing!
Sounds like too much Kathy Griffin for you.
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motogreasey wrote:
You have zero tolerance when people disagree with you. What I find interesting is your allowance of those that attack others, on your behalf. Regardless if...
You have zero tolerance when people disagree with you. What I find interesting is your allowance of those that attack others, on your behalf. Regardless if you like it or not, my point is valid and has been expressed many times. I have done nothing disrespectful and any harsh words are simply retaliatory.

What have I done to deserve ANY judgement?

Here's a short list of things I object to...

Unless you're a disgruntled repeat customer or a longtime lurker, you've been here for what...five days? It's generally not a good look for a noob to come in and tell someone how they should run the place. I think one of the "rules" for forum participation is to get a feel for it. Sometimes that means doing more reading than posting. Coming in on week one and trying to be the 400-pound gorilla usually isn't going to work that well.

Your rants about various MSM outlets (now deleted) in the Dumbgeon thread didn't go unnoticed. We don't do religion or politics in here...except MAYBE where it relates to the sport.

I think I have a certain amount of patience for opposing viewpoints. But it's not an infinite amount, especially if the forum member is attempting to be disruptive. In other words, settle down, Beavis.
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Motogreasey said: "Why do you people contribute to such a forum?"

If you don't like it go back to being a lurker and post somewhere else. This is not the only MX forum.
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GuyB 6/25/2018 8:29am
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motogreasey wrote:
Another, good for you! I'd say more but, ya know, my freedom of speech is limited! Unbelievable, how some of you people have an unbelievably biased...
Another, good for you! I'd say more but, ya know, my freedom of speech is limited! Unbelievable, how some of you people have an unbelievably biased mentality and support one just the same! Truly amazing!
Ah yeah. The old freedom of speech argument. This is a private forum where you do have freedom of speech, but you don't have the freedom to be an assh...well, you get the idea. (See? I censored myself, too.) Wink

So if it was a diagram, it'd look something like this.


Useful member of the forum.
_______________________

Ass.

See? There is a line there. Please try not to cross it.
Harry Backmon 6/25/2018 8:33am
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Harry Backmon wrote:
Haha! That is hilarious! Zing!
motogreasey wrote:
Sounds like too much Kathy Griffin for you.
You must be the arithmetic man - you add trouble, subtract pleasure, divide attention, and multiply ignorance.

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