Malcolm?

PintoMx 11/14/2017 6:44am
11/14/2017 6:44am
Malcolm done gone fishin, and James done gone goofin.
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mx317 11/14/2017 6:47am
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Malcolm and Big James can make phat money the rest of their lives just teaching people Mx and letting them ride their track
True, there are a bunch of wealthy Dads and Granddads that will pay big bucks thinking little Johnny is the next big thing. All the training camps and practice days have killed a lot of local racing, but that is a whole other topic.
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Bfogg217 11/14/2017 6:49am
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You want Malcom because of his name, Henry Miller because of his results outdoors. It would depend on what your goals as a team are. Do you have merchandise to sell? Sign Malcom. You want to have consistent results and presence outdoors? Sign Henry. There's really no right answer as both guys are good signs if they're the same money
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-MAVERICK- 11/14/2017 6:57am
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So your saying you would rather have Henry Miller on your team than Malcom? Don’t think HEP Motorsport is exactly a powerhouse. Clearly Malcom has something...
So your saying you would rather have Henry Miller on your team than Malcom? Don’t think HEP Motorsport is exactly a powerhouse. Clearly Malcom has something going on right now, but in typical Stewart fashion they aren’t letting us know what they are doing.

The cubic dollars for the costs of motors alone would be around $50,000 to $75,000 to be competitive for the outdoor season. I hate to say it, but our sport isn’t doing very well and the emphasis is mostly on supercross.
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I'm not saying I'd rather have Henry Miller than Malcom on a team. I simply said that doing the outdoor series paid off for him and...
I'm not saying I'd rather have Henry Miller than Malcom on a team. I simply said that doing the outdoor series paid off for him and he was offered a ride. Is he getting paid? I don't know. Is it a better deal than what he had this summer? More than likely since he took it.

Johnny Ringo said why would anyone pay their way through the outdoor series. The answer to that is to prove themselves and showcase their talent. Miller did just that. He had a few breakout rides this summer, showed a lot of potential and was rewarded with a ride.

Sure Malcolm paid his way though Supercross but I explained my point of view on him in an earlier post so I'm not going to repeat what I said. Just go back and read what I said about him.

As for Miller he might not have a big name like Stewart but I do remember him being talked about quite a bit this summer and a whole lot more than Malcolm. And for the record I'd more than likely sign Miller over Malcolm. Cheaper to sign, gets decent/good results, gets exposure, does both series, less drama/no big James to deal with, puts in the effort, etc.
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If you’d sign Henry Miller over Malcom because he put together a handful of ok rides in a weak field then you are beyond my help...
If you’d sign Henry Miller over Malcom because he put together a handful of ok rides in a weak field then you are beyond my help. .
Trust me bud, I don't need your help and read again. It's not just about the results. Also, go read what I said in an earlier post about Malcolm. No denying facts.

Weak field or not Miller still put in the effort and lined up unlike someone else who sat on his ass all summer for the last 3 years. Not only that but he managed to do both SX and MX with far less resources than Malcolm has access to and no I'm not talking about big brother James. Like I said, go read what I wrote about Malcolm.

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tingo 11/14/2017 8:04am
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Insert BTO/Seven big rig video here and let the speculation run rampant again.
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Flatliner 11/14/2017 8:32am
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Guys, he flat out ignored motoconcepts. What else do we need to know?
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agn5009 11/14/2017 8:39am
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rdrurypi wrote:
So your saying you would rather have Henry Miller on your team than Malcom? Don’t think HEP Motorsport is exactly a powerhouse. Clearly Malcom has something...
So your saying you would rather have Henry Miller on your team than Malcom? Don’t think HEP Motorsport is exactly a powerhouse. Clearly Malcom has something going on right now, but in typical Stewart fashion they aren’t letting us know what they are doing.

The cubic dollars for the costs of motors alone would be around $50,000 to $75,000 to be competitive for the outdoor season. I hate to say it, but our sport isn’t doing very well and the emphasis is mostly on supercross.
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I'm not saying I'd rather have Henry Miller than Malcom on a team. I simply said that doing the outdoor series paid off for him and...
I'm not saying I'd rather have Henry Miller than Malcom on a team. I simply said that doing the outdoor series paid off for him and he was offered a ride. Is he getting paid? I don't know. Is it a better deal than what he had this summer? More than likely since he took it.

Johnny Ringo said why would anyone pay their way through the outdoor series. The answer to that is to prove themselves and showcase their talent. Miller did just that. He had a few breakout rides this summer, showed a lot of potential and was rewarded with a ride.

Sure Malcolm paid his way though Supercross but I explained my point of view on him in an earlier post so I'm not going to repeat what I said. Just go back and read what I said about him.

As for Miller he might not have a big name like Stewart but I do remember him being talked about quite a bit this summer and a whole lot more than Malcolm. And for the record I'd more than likely sign Miller over Malcolm. Cheaper to sign, gets decent/good results, gets exposure, does both series, less drama/no big James to deal with, puts in the effort, etc.
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If you’d sign Henry Miller over Malcom because he put together a handful of ok rides in a weak field then you are beyond my help...
If you’d sign Henry Miller over Malcom because he put together a handful of ok rides in a weak field then you are beyond my help. .
If you'd sign a guy who the majority of people in the pits and the majority of fans don't respect then you're beyond anyone's help.

And obviously the majority of factory and satellite teams agree with my opinion over yours. Or are they all wrong? Does Johnny Ringo know more about hiring riders than every team owner/manager in the pro pits?
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agn5009 11/14/2017 8:43am
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Bfogg217 wrote:
You want Malcom because of his name, Henry Miller because of his results outdoors. It would depend on what your goals as a team are. Do...
You want Malcom because of his name, Henry Miller because of his results outdoors. It would depend on what your goals as a team are. Do you have merchandise to sell? Sign Malcom. You want to have consistent results and presence outdoors? Sign Henry. There's really no right answer as both guys are good signs if they're the same money
That's bull shit. Malcolm isn't James so stop acting like he is.

James is an iconic name in this sport. People who don't follow it may have heard of James before. They have NEVER heard of Malcolm.

People who do follow this sport and know Malcolm see him as a lazy underachieving waste of talent. Why would that sell merchandise? I have never in my life nor have I ever heard someone say "I'm gonna go out and buy seven gear because that's what Malcolm uses!" Hell no, they buy it because of James.

Seriously, stop piggy backing James' name and success and act like Malcolm is something. James is missed in this sport, Malcolm not so much.
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Johnny Ringo 11/14/2017 8:55am
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
I'm not saying I'd rather have Henry Miller than Malcom on a team. I simply said that doing the outdoor series paid off for him and...
I'm not saying I'd rather have Henry Miller than Malcom on a team. I simply said that doing the outdoor series paid off for him and he was offered a ride. Is he getting paid? I don't know. Is it a better deal than what he had this summer? More than likely since he took it.

Johnny Ringo said why would anyone pay their way through the outdoor series. The answer to that is to prove themselves and showcase their talent. Miller did just that. He had a few breakout rides this summer, showed a lot of potential and was rewarded with a ride.

Sure Malcolm paid his way though Supercross but I explained my point of view on him in an earlier post so I'm not going to repeat what I said. Just go back and read what I said about him.

As for Miller he might not have a big name like Stewart but I do remember him being talked about quite a bit this summer and a whole lot more than Malcolm. And for the record I'd more than likely sign Miller over Malcolm. Cheaper to sign, gets decent/good results, gets exposure, does both series, less drama/no big James to deal with, puts in the effort, etc.
Johnny Ringo wrote:
If you’d sign Henry Miller over Malcom because he put together a handful of ok rides in a weak field then you are beyond my help...
If you’d sign Henry Miller over Malcom because he put together a handful of ok rides in a weak field then you are beyond my help. .
agn5009 wrote:
If you'd sign a guy who the majority of people in the pits and the majority of fans don't respect then you're beyond anyone's help. And...
If you'd sign a guy who the majority of people in the pits and the majority of fans don't respect then you're beyond anyone's help.

And obviously the majority of factory and satellite teams agree with my opinion over yours. Or are they all wrong? Does Johnny Ringo know more about hiring riders than every team owner/manager in the pro pits?
i don’t know, for all we know (which isn’t a lot) Malcom got the same amount of offers as Miller ( MCR - HEP)...your logic isn’t the best.

For the record, I’m not a huge Malcom fan, but the speculation in this thread was driving me insane.

You obviously dislike Mook so I’m not going to wrestle with the pig on this one. Have a nice day.
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Bfogg217 11/14/2017 8:58am
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agn5009 wrote:
That's bull shit. Malcolm isn't James so stop acting like he is. James is an iconic name in this sport. People who don't follow it may...
That's bull shit. Malcolm isn't James so stop acting like he is.

James is an iconic name in this sport. People who don't follow it may have heard of James before. They have NEVER heard of Malcolm.

People who do follow this sport and know Malcolm see him as a lazy underachieving waste of talent. Why would that sell merchandise? I have never in my life nor have I ever heard someone say "I'm gonna go out and buy seven gear because that's what Malcolm uses!" Hell no, they buy it because of James.

Seriously, stop piggy backing James' name and success and act like Malcolm is something. James is missed in this sport, Malcolm not so much.
I never said he was James. You have to admit the likelihood that a casual fan knows Malcom over Henry Miller is pretty high. Regardless of his last name, he's a recent 250 SX champ and has been on big name teams. What has Henry Miller done to get his name out? Exposure sells and Henry Miller isn't going to give you that right now on a mainstream level. Neither guy is a huge sell right now to be honest. You and your friends might not go buy something because Malcom is sponsored by whoever but, you might notice a new brand and check them out because of the exposure. I mean look at how often there's new thread here about anything involving Malcom. You can't deny he can get brand names out there regardless of your opinion on him or his ability. Sometimes guys get rides because they can sell product better than other guys at their level.

For what it's worth, I think Henry Miller is the better sign and would take him in a heartbeat if I had a mid level satellite team. He's "up and coming" and puts in the work.
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dshaw45 11/14/2017 8:59am
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Flatliner wrote:
Guys, he flat out ignored motoconcepts. What else do we need to know?
It seems like they all want to ignore this fact. Sure he might have wanted something better than MCR but he could have at least said "Hey I'm checking into another option right now so I'll have to get back with you later on this." Instead he ignored them totally and made it seem like he has more important stuff than a job in moto.
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kkawboy14 11/14/2017 9:18am
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Flatliner wrote:
Guys, he flat out ignored motoconcepts. What else do we need to know?
dshaw45 wrote:
It seems like they all want to ignore this fact. Sure he might have wanted something better than MCR but he could have at least said...
It seems like they all want to ignore this fact. Sure he might have wanted something better than MCR but he could have at least said "Hey I'm checking into another option right now so I'll have to get back with you later on this." Instead he ignored them totally and made it seem like he has more important stuff than a job in moto.
He said all that by not answering the phone!

Do you guys not realize that most pros are not very good business people ?
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Flatliner 11/14/2017 9:27am
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He said all that by not answering the phone!

Do you guys not realize that most pros are not very good business people ?
Then maybe he should get an agent as opppse to his dad.

Frankly with his 17’ results he should be thrilled to be offered an mcr ride.
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agn5009 11/14/2017 9:34am
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
If you’d sign Henry Miller over Malcom because he put together a handful of ok rides in a weak field then you are beyond my help...
If you’d sign Henry Miller over Malcom because he put together a handful of ok rides in a weak field then you are beyond my help. .
agn5009 wrote:
If you'd sign a guy who the majority of people in the pits and the majority of fans don't respect then you're beyond anyone's help. And...
If you'd sign a guy who the majority of people in the pits and the majority of fans don't respect then you're beyond anyone's help.

And obviously the majority of factory and satellite teams agree with my opinion over yours. Or are they all wrong? Does Johnny Ringo know more about hiring riders than every team owner/manager in the pro pits?
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i don’t know, for all we know (which isn’t a lot) Malcom got the same amount of offers as Miller ( MCR - HEP)...your logic isn’t...
i don’t know, for all we know (which isn’t a lot) Malcom got the same amount of offers as Miller ( MCR - HEP)...your logic isn’t the best.

For the record, I’m not a huge Malcom fan, but the speculation in this thread was driving me insane.

You obviously dislike Mook so I’m not going to wrestle with the pig on this one. Have a nice day.
I don't dislike Malcolm. I don't even know him. He seems like a genuinely nice guy. I just don't like how people here are willing to say one rider doesn't deserve a ride but a guy who doesn't even show up to race, arrives unprepared and underachieves does. Why is Henry Miller's name being trampled on just because Malcolm either doesn't have any offers or doesn't want to race?
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tingo 11/14/2017 9:54am
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agn5009 wrote:
If you'd sign a guy who the majority of people in the pits and the majority of fans don't respect then you're beyond anyone's help. And...
If you'd sign a guy who the majority of people in the pits and the majority of fans don't respect then you're beyond anyone's help.

And obviously the majority of factory and satellite teams agree with my opinion over yours. Or are they all wrong? Does Johnny Ringo know more about hiring riders than every team owner/manager in the pro pits?
Johnny Ringo wrote:
i don’t know, for all we know (which isn’t a lot) Malcom got the same amount of offers as Miller ( MCR - HEP)...your logic isn’t...
i don’t know, for all we know (which isn’t a lot) Malcom got the same amount of offers as Miller ( MCR - HEP)...your logic isn’t the best.

For the record, I’m not a huge Malcom fan, but the speculation in this thread was driving me insane.

You obviously dislike Mook so I’m not going to wrestle with the pig on this one. Have a nice day.
agn5009 wrote:
I don't dislike Malcolm. I don't even know him. He seems like a genuinely nice guy. I just don't like how people here are willing to...
I don't dislike Malcolm. I don't even know him. He seems like a genuinely nice guy. I just don't like how people here are willing to say one rider doesn't deserve a ride but a guy who doesn't even show up to race, arrives unprepared and underachieves does. Why is Henry Miller's name being trampled on just because Malcolm either doesn't have any offers or doesn't want to race?
If you don't dislike Malcom, don't know him, and think he genuinely seems like a nice guy, why post something like this about him: "a guy who the majority of people in the pits and the majority of fans don't respect..."? Or this: "People who do follow this sport and know Malcolm see him as a lazy underachieving waste of talent."

I don't know who nominated you to speak for the majority, but you're not very good at it.
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rdrurypi 11/14/2017 10:03am
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
i don’t know, for all we know (which isn’t a lot) Malcom got the same amount of offers as Miller ( MCR - HEP)...your logic isn’t...
i don’t know, for all we know (which isn’t a lot) Malcom got the same amount of offers as Miller ( MCR - HEP)...your logic isn’t the best.

For the record, I’m not a huge Malcom fan, but the speculation in this thread was driving me insane.

You obviously dislike Mook so I’m not going to wrestle with the pig on this one. Have a nice day.
agn5009 wrote:
I don't dislike Malcolm. I don't even know him. He seems like a genuinely nice guy. I just don't like how people here are willing to...
I don't dislike Malcolm. I don't even know him. He seems like a genuinely nice guy. I just don't like how people here are willing to say one rider doesn't deserve a ride but a guy who doesn't even show up to race, arrives unprepared and underachieves does. Why is Henry Miller's name being trampled on just because Malcolm either doesn't have any offers or doesn't want to race?
tingo wrote:
If you don't dislike Malcom, don't know him, and think he genuinely seems like a nice guy, why post something like this about him: "a guy...
If you don't dislike Malcom, don't know him, and think he genuinely seems like a nice guy, why post something like this about him: "a guy who the majority of people in the pits and the majority of fans don't respect..."? Or this: "People who do follow this sport and know Malcolm see him as a lazy underachieving waste of talent."

I don't know who nominated you to speak for the majority, but you're not very good at it.
Al Gore nominated him. Remember him, he invented the internet.

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flatout111 11/24/2017 5:23am
11/24/2017 5:23am Edited Date/Time 11/24/2017 9:15am
So let's assume that the team Stewart thing isn't happening for whatever reason as it appears not to be. I think James wants to race but it's just not working out, support wise. But Malcolm seems to be committed to racing. I think. But after not calling MCR back and the Team Stewart not materializing (I guess) what are his options?

And what was the post Roger Larsen did about getting the band back togethet? Is Malcolm and Ride365 getting back together? What options are there? I know Malcolm hasn't shown a lot of drive but as JT says, we can work with speed. I would hire him any day over someone like Bloss. No offense to Benny. Malcolm can win a 10 lap Main and get a Heat win which is podium time. Plus has a good pit and social media presence.

Maybe Mookie can hook up with Hanny's new team with Watson. Wink

Just curious on any other options without getting into the whole Mookie doesn't work hard enough debate.
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Flatliner 11/24/2017 9:27am
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flatout111 wrote:
So let's assume that the team Stewart thing isn't happening for whatever reason as it appears not to be. I think James wants to race but...
So let's assume that the team Stewart thing isn't happening for whatever reason as it appears not to be. I think James wants to race but it's just not working out, support wise. But Malcolm seems to be committed to racing. I think. But after not calling MCR back and the Team Stewart not materializing (I guess) what are his options?

And what was the post Roger Larsen did about getting the band back togethet? Is Malcolm and Ride365 getting back together? What options are there? I know Malcolm hasn't shown a lot of drive but as JT says, we can work with speed. I would hire him any day over someone like Bloss. No offense to Benny. Malcolm can win a 10 lap Main and get a Heat win which is podium time. Plus has a good pit and social media presence.

Maybe Mookie can hook up with Hanny's new team with Watson. Wink

Just curious on any other options without getting into the whole Mookie doesn't work hard enough debate.
Reasonable question, I’d have to guess that if he indeed does want to race this season they’d be on the phone constantly trying to work something out.

I feel like this is a make or break year anyways. Coming in out of shape and trying to justify it just won’t cut it, can’t have a repeat of last year.

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