Maybe kids shouldn't race until they are 12 or older ?

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2/27/2009 5:11pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 10:41pm
I have alot of mixed emotions on this topic. We never thought about any of our kids ever being professional when we started. It was just something they all wanted to do and we felt it was a wonderful way to spend time with our kids. Dad and the boys spent hours and hours during the week in our workshop getting bikes ready for the weekend. Our home was the gathering spot for every boy for miles around. We have alot of wonderful memories and met alot of wonderful people in our journey. I wouldn't have changed it for anything. As time passed.... racing became a passion for them to do well.

I think the important thing, and probably the hardest thing for a parent to remember, is to keep it all in perspective. It is very hard not to get caught up in the moment and very easy to forget the long-term affect. Education should ALWAYS come first. I also believe that too-much too-soon has led to the demise of alot of very fine riders because too much pressure was applied before the kid was old enough to handle any success.

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2/27/2009 5:25pm
mxdancer wrote:
I have alot of mixed emotions on this topic. We never thought about any of our kids ever being professional when we started. It was just...
I have alot of mixed emotions on this topic. We never thought about any of our kids ever being professional when we started. It was just something they all wanted to do and we felt it was a wonderful way to spend time with our kids. Dad and the boys spent hours and hours during the week in our workshop getting bikes ready for the weekend. Our home was the gathering spot for every boy for miles around. We have alot of wonderful memories and met alot of wonderful people in our journey. I wouldn't have changed it for anything. As time passed.... racing became a passion for them to do well.

I think the important thing, and probably the hardest thing for a parent to remember, is to keep it all in perspective. It is very hard not to get caught up in the moment and very easy to forget the long-term affect. Education should ALWAYS come first. I also believe that too-much too-soon has led to the demise of alot of very fine riders because too much pressure was applied before the kid was old enough to handle any success.

Gma B
Nice, you put it well.
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2/27/2009 5:39pm
500guy wrote:
I'm just thinking along the lines of some of these kids if not all the new Pro's are groomed to be there from the time they...
I'm just thinking along the lines of some of these kids if not all the new Pro's are groomed to be there from the time they are 4-5 yrs old.

When they get older they have already enough years to be burnt out and falter with their new found freedom adulthood brings.
My father has always said kids starting racing at such a young age (4 to 5) sets them up for burn out.
2/27/2009 5:55pm Edited Date/Time 2/27/2009 5:59pm
Well my take is go go go if your not first your last. 2nd is the first looser. just joking . I tell my son were not here for second all the time. He gets bad grades and is lazy but not home schooled. Hes 13 racing since he was 6. Hes in that in between age (balls haven't dropped yet) But I think racing/riding has made him a better person all these years that's our connection. We come on top of a mountain and he is enthralled and i proceed to tell him about all the history i know Nothing better than your son hanging on to your every word PRICELESS! My point is son knows the ropes at starting at an early age.

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2/27/2009 7:41pm
I've commonly heard home school referred to as "no school" at the track... which is funny at first, but at times sadly true. Regarding the youth racing issue -i don't think preventing kids from racing until 12 would be beneficial for anyone. On the other hand, I think that making kids hold off on getting their pro license until their 18 might be a better argument regarding safety, experience, less pressure, more time for school, etc. IMHO of course.
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2/27/2009 8:06pm
500guy wrote:
I'm just thinking along the lines of some of these kids if not all the new Pro's are groomed to be there from the time they...
I'm just thinking along the lines of some of these kids if not all the new Pro's are groomed to be there from the time they are 4-5 yrs old.

When they get older they have already enough years to be burnt out and falter with their new found freedom adulthood brings.
The Rock wrote:
My father has always said kids starting racing at such a young age (4 to 5) sets them up for burn out.
That's any sport, my daughter started swimming at 8 by 16 she quit, was burned out. Then 8 months later she went back, now she's going to college on a full athletic ride, so I am happy she got it back together !!!

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I'm just thinking along the lines of some of these kids if not all the new Pro's are groomed to be there from the time they...
I'm just thinking along the lines of some of these kids if not all the new Pro's are groomed to be there from the time they are 4-5 yrs old.

When they get older they have already enough years to be burnt out and falter with their new found freedom adulthood brings.
The Rock wrote:
My father has always said kids starting racing at such a young age (4 to 5) sets them up for burn out.
That's any sport, my daughter started swimming at 8 by 16 she quit, was burned out. Then 8 months later she went back, now she's going...
That's any sport, my daughter started swimming at 8 by 16 she quit, was burned out. Then 8 months later she went back, now she's going to college on a full athletic ride, so I am happy she got it back together !!!

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I know making kids wait until 12 or 13 isn't the answer , I do think this 4-5 yr old shaft drive psycho mini dad deal needs some intervention.

I also believe making the age for a pro license 18 would help .
2/27/2009 8:19pm
My brother started riding and racing when they were six. Cody still loves riding and racing and he is 20. So I dont think its bad thing to start riding or racing early. My favorite memories were going to the tracks and watching them race.
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2/27/2009 8:26pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 10:41pm
That's any sport, my daughter started swimming at 8 by 16 she quit, was burned out. Then 8 months later she went back, now she's going...
That's any sport, my daughter started swimming at 8 by 16 she quit, was burned out. Then 8 months later she went back, now she's going to college on a full athletic ride, so I am happy she got it back together !!!

S
Great to hear how well your daughter is doing. I remember when you daughter was just a little girl.....it was at Perris and it was smoking hot.....


500Guy-Raising the age back to 18 is long over due....it is as important as making chest protectors mandatory IMO.
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2/27/2009 8:58pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 10:41pm
This a really good speech by a ice hockey coach about having fun. He talks about hockey but one can apply the message to all sports.


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2/27/2009 9:20pm
az2u wrote:
This a really good speech by a ice hockey coach about having fun. He talks about hockey but one can apply the message to all sports...
This a really good speech by a ice hockey coach about having fun. He talks about hockey but one can apply the message to all sports.


Good Post Warren.

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2/27/2009 10:23pm
500guy wrote:
All this talk about how much pressure is put on them and how turning Pro and having to much to early is not good. Maybe they...
All this talk about how much pressure is put on them and how turning Pro and having to much to early is not good.

Maybe they should make kids be 13 before starting then the minimum age for turning Pro wouldn't need to be changed they just wouldn't be ready ?
Interesting question guy, but I don't think it will ever happen. Too much moolah in mini-racing these days.

Every kid from the mid-pack of the local beginner class on up has 3-4 "race bikes" and 3-4 "practice bikes" per "race bike". That's like 300 new bikes per kid, per year!!! Plus, each of those bikes requires a minimum of $1000 in engine mods and another $1000 in suspension mods.

SOMEBODY's making some serious coin off these youngsters and I am POSITIVE that they don't have the kids' best interest at heart. They are in the business of making money, not looking out for the welfare of kids or racers. Period. End of discussion.

In a perfect world, however, your question is really good. Wink
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2/27/2009 10:44pm
peelout719 wrote:
highschool schmischool... am i right
its not just about the the education there is a lot more to to it, like the social aspect
2/27/2009 11:08pm Edited Date/Time 2/27/2009 11:09pm
If there was any aspect of high school I personally could have done without, it would have been the social aspect. Just saying, I already knew people were douchebags, four years of being reminded every day wasn't necessary. I don't buy socialization as a good argument for traditional schooling.
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We race for fun. We only raced the races at TV Land last year. I say "we" because Joey and I both race. He does alot better than I do, but like I said it is for fun. I got him an old '04 KTM 50 last year, he loves it, but I don't like fixing it all the time. I have more fun when I get on a pitbike and go out and bang bars with him, nothing like that. Maybe kids shouldn't take racing so seriously until they get a little older. I know that isn't going to happen, but it is a thought.

I have found that BMX is a much more affordable and safer alternative to racing mx. With the economy going the way it is, that is probably where we will end up.
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Parents have to be responsible. It's not just about MX. My son is 6 and plays hockey. He was asked to play on a travel team but we said no because it was 40+ games, It is up to the parent to decide what is too much for their child. Unfortunately there are many parents who can't make the proper decision because they are blinded by some notion of stardom and lose sight of what is important. It happens in every youth sport. Travel teams in soccer, baseball, basketball, etc have become big industry and every kid is told that "...if you want a scholarship, you have to play on a travel team..." It is out of hand, much the same way that AM motocross is.
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As the Cornelius Brothers and Sister Rose said, "It's too late to turn back now". [img]https://www.yamaboy.com/gallery/albums/userpics/joe-01.jpg[/img]
As the Cornelius Brothers and Sister Rose said, "It's too late to turn back now".

I believe...I believe yer falling in love...
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2/28/2009 6:10am
mxdancer wrote:
I have alot of mixed emotions on this topic. We never thought about any of our kids ever being professional when we started. It was just...
I have alot of mixed emotions on this topic. We never thought about any of our kids ever being professional when we started. It was just something they all wanted to do and we felt it was a wonderful way to spend time with our kids. Dad and the boys spent hours and hours during the week in our workshop getting bikes ready for the weekend. Our home was the gathering spot for every boy for miles around. We have alot of wonderful memories and met alot of wonderful people in our journey. I wouldn't have changed it for anything. As time passed.... racing became a passion for them to do well.

I think the important thing, and probably the hardest thing for a parent to remember, is to keep it all in perspective. It is very hard not to get caught up in the moment and very easy to forget the long-term affect. Education should ALWAYS come first. I also believe that too-much too-soon has led to the demise of alot of very fine riders because too much pressure was applied before the kid was old enough to handle any success.

Gma B
good post, I agree. Just bought my 6 y/o another bike. Cobra CX 50 JR.

I love watching him ride and we do it as a family
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From a promoters point of view this is bad, we would lose kids to other sports, skateboarding, baseball, bmx etc. For the sport to grow and...
From a promoters point of view this is bad, we would lose kids to other sports, skateboarding, baseball, bmx etc. For the sport to grow and keep going you need kids.

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Bullshit. Little boys that play ball sports, skateboard, ride a bmx bike can and will start riding at age 13 just fine. In fact, because of the other interests in life they will be better balanced, rounded individuals when they grow up. It should not be a motocross only mentality at any age.


Promoters need to wake up and realize that the main reason rider turn outs are down is due to the 37 classes x 2 motos they run on race day. Sorry but I'm not driving 2 hours and spending 14 hours to get my 8 laps in. All the mini classes, ability levels, age classes, etc have hurt the tracks/promoters. We used to race every weekend. Now we race once a month or less and do open ride/camping weekends instead. The bar banging/racing with buddies is the same as on race day. For the same $20 we get 80 laps instead of 8. It is only a hobby after all.
Track owners have lost a shit load of riders on race day due to adding more and more classes. The smart track owners are making it up with yearly practice memberships or daily practice fees.





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2/28/2009 9:04am
mxdad wrote:
Bullshit. Little boys that play ball sports, skateboard, ride a bmx bike can and will start riding at age 13 just fine. In fact, because of...

Bullshit. Little boys that play ball sports, skateboard, ride a bmx bike can and will start riding at age 13 just fine. In fact, because of the other interests in life they will be better balanced, rounded individuals when they grow up. It should not be a motocross only mentality at any age.


Promoters need to wake up and realize that the main reason rider turn outs are down is due to the 37 classes x 2 motos they run on race day. Sorry but I'm not driving 2 hours and spending 14 hours to get my 8 laps in. All the mini classes, ability levels, age classes, etc have hurt the tracks/promoters. We used to race every weekend. Now we race once a month or less and do open ride/camping weekends instead. The bar banging/racing with buddies is the same as on race day. For the same $20 we get 80 laps instead of 8. It is only a hobby after all.
Track owners have lost a shit load of riders on race day due to adding more and more classes. The smart track owners are making it up with yearly practice memberships or daily practice fees.





So mini classes have hurt hurt track promoters. Let's look at some simple math.
At one of our local tracks, small race, there were just 64 youth riders (under 13). So, one child plus one parent . Gate fees would be $2560 if they were only there for race day. Race fees would be $1280 if they were only in one class. So by your reasoning you and the big bikes would make up the $3840 on race by just being there racing and going home in approx. 6 hours.

This is just a small race too. I would like to know the numbers for a track like Muddy Creek where they have 600+ riders turn out for most races. Even with real Pros turning up at those races, I'm sure it's not the mini ridres causing problems.

I'll bet MX Sports, Lake Whitney, Oak Hill, Las Vegas, Ponca, Gatorback, etc. are just kicking themselves for letting the mini classes ruin their business.


I guess we are to believe that there are thousands of big bikes out there in hiding because the mini riders are ruining their day and taking all of their ride time. Sounds to me like a good solution would be to find a bunch of like minded riders and open a 14 and up track. No mini riders. That would give you guys plenty of ride time and you could get home in a couple hours when you get tired.


I do agree with the practice aspect of your post. But COST has hurt the most. All costs from bikes to fuel to travel expenses. You have some valid points, the solution is just a bit extreme in my opinion. And it is just an opinion.
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2/28/2009 9:24am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 10:41pm
mxdancer wrote:
I have alot of mixed emotions on this topic. We never thought about any of our kids ever being professional when we started. It was just...
I have alot of mixed emotions on this topic. We never thought about any of our kids ever being professional when we started. It was just something they all wanted to do and we felt it was a wonderful way to spend time with our kids. Dad and the boys spent hours and hours during the week in our workshop getting bikes ready for the weekend. Our home was the gathering spot for every boy for miles around. We have alot of wonderful memories and met alot of wonderful people in our journey. I wouldn't have changed it for anything. As time passed.... racing became a passion for them to do well.

I think the important thing, and probably the hardest thing for a parent to remember, is to keep it all in perspective. It is very hard not to get caught up in the moment and very easy to forget the long-term affect. Education should ALWAYS come first. I also believe that too-much too-soon has led to the demise of alot of very fine riders because too much pressure was applied before the kid was old enough to handle any success.

Gma B
Agree! Haning with the kids is a cool thing, but not too much, and not too much riding. I get the impression this drilling and homeschooling thing combined with maybe a personal racetrack and the kids hanging 90 % of the time with their family only, might make you less prepared for the real world.

Smets started riding at the age of 18, and still managed to win 3? world titles. I don't think the sport would suffer at all if we forced the kids to go to public schools etc. When mx had it's prime here in Sweden, many of the riders had ordinary jobs as well...



Just saying...
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Even though I am ranting about my personal time with my kids, I do agree with ever post about the "professional mini racer". My kids only get to race maybe once a month, so there is a balance between their outside activities with friends and our family time.
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peelout719 wrote:
highschool schmischool... am i right
MX558 wrote:
its not just about the the education there is a lot more to to it, like the social aspect
Yeah.. like the 14 year old giving a blow job on the bus!!! Now that is socialization I want for my kid! My kids go to public school and it is definately NOT for socialization. My sister homeschooled all of her kids (none of them has ever ridden a bike) and they all attended college and have good jobs.

As far as racing at a young age, my daughter started at 10. She got a bike because she wanted one. Rule Number 1 off the track... Keep her A's or lose her bike. She knows that I meant it too... discipline rules in my home.

Our time at the track together was incredible for our relationship. We have met incredible people and have made wondeful friends. This is no different than my sisters ice skating and swimming (AAU) when I was growing up, or me playing little league ball. Rule number #1 was always restated at the starting gate.... To Have Fun! David Bailey came up to her at one race and told her she had the skills to make it. That was nice to hear.... but rule number one on the race track still stayed the same.

Short of it... nothing wrong with any sport at a young age, but perspective must be kept. Kids make great relationships at these events. There will always be those that push their littles ones in every sport... including the SPELLING BEE.

ONE LAST THOUGHT... how many of you are what you thought you would be when you were 7, 8, 9... 12? So the kid that doesnt make the pros is not different than those of us that have ended up in life doing something other than what we wanted to do at 7... and we know that is true because we all arent fireman!!!
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2/28/2009 11:03am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 10:41pm
alphado wrote:
We race for fun. We only raced the races at TV Land last year. I say "we" because Joey and I both race. He does alot...
We race for fun. We only raced the races at TV Land last year. I say "we" because Joey and I both race. He does alot better than I do, but like I said it is for fun. I got him an old '04 KTM 50 last year, he loves it, but I don't like fixing it all the time. I have more fun when I get on a pitbike and go out and bang bars with him, nothing like that. Maybe kids shouldn't take racing so seriously until they get a little older. I know that isn't going to happen, but it is a thought.

I have found that BMX is a much more affordable and safer alternative to racing mx. With the economy going the way it is, that is probably where we will end up.
I recall reading somewhere that McGrath stated that he wouldn't want his kids riding moto until they were older (12+) and that he would start them in BMX first.

My kids (ages 5 and 7) and I did a local shop-sponsored pit bike series last year and had a blast! There was no pressure to perform and every kid got a trophy. We're planning on doing that series again this year and may give BMX a shot as well. We're about 25 min. from South Park BMX which is supposed to be one of the top tracks in the country.

Honestly, I'm glad that my kids love riding and want to do some low-pressure races, but the thought of them getting really serious to the point where being competitive means jumping doubles and triples scares the "begeezus" out of me. I love MX, but I hope they lean more toward off-road riding as they get older. Not that you can't get into trouble off-road, but there aren't many 120' triples you have to worry about casing when you're running trails.

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2/28/2009 11:13am
500guy wrote:
All this talk about how much pressure is put on them and how turning Pro and having to much to early is not good. Maybe they...
All this talk about how much pressure is put on them and how turning Pro and having to much to early is not good.

Maybe they should make kids be 13 before starting then the minimum age for turning Pro wouldn't need to be changed they just wouldn't be ready ?
ya know, I have a 4 year old and a 2 year old. and I really don't have an interest in pushing them into riding.

different strokes for different folks.

doesn't this system kind of support "only the strongest survive" in sense.

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