250 West Supercross Champion Justin Hill joins the Autotrader/Yoshimura/Suzuki Factory Racing Team in a multi-year deal

Motofinne wrote:

I never said that it is the wrong thing to do. But i don't think that he'll be able to produce what he did in 2017...

I never said that it is the wrong thing to do. But i don't think that he'll be able to produce what he did in 2017 regional SX again for JGR. The Number 1 plate looks nice on that RMZ.

Seewer didn't even get a handful of holeshots in this years GPs, that says a thing or two about the lack of power. It is on paper a big step down. Maybe not the actual team but the bike is way, way worse as a platform.

Motofinne wrote:

I never said that it is the wrong thing to do. But i don't think that he'll be able to produce what he did in 2017...

I never said that it is the wrong thing to do. But i don't think that he'll be able to produce what he did in 2017 regional SX again for JGR. The Number 1 plate looks nice on that RMZ.

Seewer didn't even get a handful of holeshots in this years GPs, that says a thing or two about the lack of power. It is on paper a big step down. Maybe not the actual team but the bike is way, way worse as a platform.

brimx153 wrote:

seewer bike was fast this year ,saying it wasnt because he only got a few holeshots is plain stupid . prado got nearly 95% of them...

seewer bike was fast this year ,saying it wasnt because he only got a few holeshots is plain stupid . prado got nearly 95% of them . most starts in gp s are not ripped mad deep , it comes down to technique , and electrics not raw hp. fact is put prado on any bike he will holeshot .

Derek Harris wrote:

From my experience with the RMZ - it's hard to be remotely competitive with where the yzf, ktm, and new crf will be at in the...

From my experience with the RMZ - it's hard to be remotely competitive with where the yzf, ktm, and new crf will be at in the engine department.

That said - the GP rmz seemed to make big progress this year

ML512 - any insight as to what the GP team did - and if the US based team will have access to the info?

In sx HP isn't nearly as important as outdoors - but the last year of the rockstar suzuki effort - it was clear the RMZ back then wasn't quite on part IMHO with the top bikes in the engine department. I'll never forget a press day video at I believe the first or second round where the gieco bikes were clearing a 3-6-3 out of a turn and the suzuki rider just flat out couldnt get it....
Not to downplay the amazing engine effort they did have at the time - with an engine that for all intents is the same as the 09-10 rmz

Motofinne wrote:

I never said that it is the wrong thing to do. But i don't think that he'll be able to produce what he did in 2017...

I never said that it is the wrong thing to do. But i don't think that he'll be able to produce what he did in 2017 regional SX again for JGR. The Number 1 plate looks nice on that RMZ.

Seewer didn't even get a handful of holeshots in this years GPs, that says a thing or two about the lack of power. It is on paper a big step down. Maybe not the actual team but the bike is way, way worse as a platform.

brimx153 wrote:

seewer bike was fast this year ,saying it wasnt because he only got a few holeshots is plain stupid . prado got nearly 95% of them...

seewer bike was fast this year ,saying it wasnt because he only got a few holeshots is plain stupid . prado got nearly 95% of them . most starts in gp s are not ripped mad deep , it comes down to technique , and electrics not raw hp. fact is put prado on any bike he will holeshot .

Jrewing wrote:

Plus he'd be light as anything..

twotwosix wrote:

Those factory RMZ250s are built to the 9's. The new Yosh 250 reboot started with the MAD/Dirtcandy guys. They are pushing them for everything they've got...

Those factory RMZ250s are built to the 9's. The new Yosh 250 reboot started with the MAD/Dirtcandy guys. They are pushing them for everything they've got to make them competitive. Everything in those motors that can be changed, massaged or redesigned within the rulebook has been. I would imagine they are getting close to the limit on Hp output for that design.

Derek Harris wrote:

Im well aware - I build engines the the 9s for a living. But the rmz head architecture is terrible vs a yamaha or even current...

Im well aware - I build engines the the 9s for a living.

But the rmz head architecture is terrible vs a yamaha or even current honda - let alone the new honda. The ktm has the largest valves in class - partly due to it's larger bore smaller stroke - and a valve train design that is light years ahead of a bucket design. The yamaha has an awesome downdraft intake that is the "direction of the future" for all manufacturers - with the OLD honda having quite a good port layuot - and the new honda having an incredible port layout PLUS finger followers.

Since suzuki's new 1000cc sport bike went finger follower - and the latest generation yamaha R1 - it should stand to reason their mx models will do so in the near future.



Maybe I "know" that the best rockstar rmz before they went husky was a 45-46 hp engine if the bike was just right.
Maybe I "know" that the best geico bike on the same scale is over 50
Maybe I "know" the factory ktm is over 50 - we build ktms that are over 50 so I certainly know the factory effort should exceed that by a good margin.
Maybe I "know" the matty B wasn't too happy with the performance of his dirtcandy yosh bike vs that of his former gieco bike.
Maybe the "merge" rmz's were less hp than the stock ktms come....which were a great effort from merge on that antiquated engine for a reliable, privateer effort on a set budget.
The problem with dirtbike industry is the media doesn't truly do their "job" since the industry is so small. You wont hear riders bad mouth on record their rides because it reflects poorly on them for future opportunities. You wont hear journalists publishing what they might hear and "know" if they feel it will ruin their relationships with the rider or teams etc.
I was impressed this year by the rmz250 at some sx rounds - pulled some good starts. And same applies to the later gp's - bike looked solid! But Im very curious if behind the scenes in the GP engine (because it's legal do so if Im not mistaken) if the engine is a larger bore, shorter stroke, possible one off cast head - or lots of port filling and raising coupled with larger valves and possibly different valve spacing. I wouldn't be beyond the little craft casters in italy or elsewhere to do all of the above.

I think for suzuki to be on par with the other bikes - their new engine will head the finger follower, larger bore, shorter stroke route whenever they decide to update. But until then - I think J hill will have his work cut out - or the team will be creatively playing with the rules to find the power and RPM needed to be up front.

just my opinion...i love jgr, I think the suzuki is a great bike outside of the stock engine, and Justin Hill is my favorite 250cc rider out there..I want him to crush it next year.

kkawboy14 wrote:

I always use Honda bearings when they are interchangeable!

I feel like he bagged the outdoors (not getting hurt) so he would kill it for JGR

kkawboy14 wrote:

I always use Honda bearings when they are interchangeable!

I feel like he bagged the outdoors (not getting hurt) so he would kill it for JGR

Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

You know Honda DON'T MAKE the bearings, right...?