Herlings Corner Speed

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8/29/2017 4:47am
What's also crazy is the time gap between 4th place onwards. Bagget drops to 17 secs behind. But Seely in 4th was 49 secs behind Herlings at the finish. Youve only got the get to 7th place & it's way over a minute.

Herlings starting from last lapped up to 18th place. So passed about 19 riders twice.

Can you imagine if you had a proper sand track in AMA series.

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8/29/2017 5:23am
Everyone needs to seriously get off herlings nuts.

Yes, he is incredibly talented and indeed very fast.

But cairoli beats him often... and straight up

Musquin was clearly matching his speed and lap times, Musquin stayed within 3 seconds and closed up at one point and attempted to challenge for the lead but made some mistakes and fell back...

Let's be real people, if herlings couldn't pull on musquin, then he's DEFINITELY not gonna pull on tomac. Tomac would've beat him 8 out of 10 times.

ALSO a couple people mentioned tomac sitting down and herlings standing through corners.... are you people serious ? It's obvious to me you don't watch the races. Go back and watch washougal, southwick, etc... tomac would literally stand up, not sit down at ANY point in the rut and of course that means feet up... and motor through the turn, never sitting or putting feet out.

So how are we going to say herlings stands up more?

Either way, we only saw about a quarter of a lap of tomac at his fastest, and then he made a stupid ass moronic rookie mistake.

Next week in Florida is where we will see tomac with nothing to lose, and he's gonna have a lot to say for herlings and his shit talking. Not to mention all of the other nay sayers and shit talking "fans"

Its kind of funny to me how after Saturdays race @ iron man people quickly forget how tomac went 6 - 0 against the GP guys, 1-1 for 2 straight weeks against cairoli and everyone else.

NOT TO MENTION Cooper Webb coming from way back around 14th to catch and pass herlings for the lead and overall win in the 250 class.

I expect the next 2 GPs to go precisely the same way. With tomac winning easily.
8/29/2017 5:24am
tempura wrote:
Stop talking out of your ass, they ride nothing a like... You can have your opinion, but of course, it's wrong. Carry on..
Much ty
WCRider wrote:
Ok u cant understand what i explain, i understand very well that, no problem... so i give up. Anyway Herlings victory is a fake news, overated...
Ok u cant understand what i explain, i understand very well that, no problem... so i give up.

Anyway Herlings victory is a fake news, overated victory for so many reasons.

WCRider, why are you so butthurt? I feel like you're pretty mad that Herlings is not from Belgium..... shame on you
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My guess is that being the last race of the year, a lot of guys were just "done".....where as Herlings was pounding it like a Boss!

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8/29/2017 5:32am
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Yeah it's definitely a stretch to say he dominated.. It's not like his Quali time was 2secs faster and won the first race handily then came...
Yeah it's definitely a stretch to say he dominated.. It's not like his Quali time was 2secs faster and won the first race handily then came from last to win the second race

Are you really going to bring up qualifying times? Are you retarded or just a couch racer?

Where were those extra 2 seconds a lap when Marv was up his ass within 1 - 2 seconds for most of the moto.

In fact he closed up to the point of challenging for the win, made a few mistakes and a couple bobbles and settled in for second.

Herlings is very fast, don't worry no one is taking that away from you to say. He just most definitely did not "dominate" or was "untouchable"

If tomac didn't have a championship to lose the same way he had already lost one, he would've easily match and most likely bested herlings

Considering the way tomac anihilated the field of GP guys, including cairoli (who regularly beats herlings) at Charlotte and Glen helen last year, I seriously doubt he would have any trouble beating herlings.
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Mxracer6y wrote:
Are you really going to bring up qualifying times? Are you retarded or just a couch racer? Where were those extra 2 seconds a lap when...
Are you really going to bring up qualifying times? Are you retarded or just a couch racer?

Where were those extra 2 seconds a lap when Marv was up his ass within 1 - 2 seconds for most of the moto.

In fact he closed up to the point of challenging for the win, made a few mistakes and a couple bobbles and settled in for second.

Herlings is very fast, don't worry no one is taking that away from you to say. He just most definitely did not "dominate" or was "untouchable"

If tomac didn't have a championship to lose the same way he had already lost one, he would've easily match and most likely bested herlings

Considering the way tomac anihilated the field of GP guys, including cairoli (who regularly beats herlings) at Charlotte and Glen helen last year, I seriously doubt he would have any trouble beating herlings.
Ref your last point. I think the GP standard is higher right now then last year. AC has been uninjured & riding best he has in a few years. TG just getting back on it, Fevre too. Herlings is a completely different animal right now.

I think the key point is riders dont always ride to there highest level, for all sorts of reasons. GP or AMA.

In fact in any sport athletes have negative form. If all the top guys are on top form there will be a great battle.
8/29/2017 6:05am
Mxracer6y wrote:
Are you really going to bring up qualifying times? Are you retarded or just a couch racer? Where were those extra 2 seconds a lap when...
Are you really going to bring up qualifying times? Are you retarded or just a couch racer?

Where were those extra 2 seconds a lap when Marv was up his ass within 1 - 2 seconds for most of the moto.

In fact he closed up to the point of challenging for the win, made a few mistakes and a couple bobbles and settled in for second.

Herlings is very fast, don't worry no one is taking that away from you to say. He just most definitely did not "dominate" or was "untouchable"

If tomac didn't have a championship to lose the same way he had already lost one, he would've easily match and most likely bested herlings

Considering the way tomac anihilated the field of GP guys, including cairoli (who regularly beats herlings) at Charlotte and Glen helen last year, I seriously doubt he would have any trouble beating herlings.
You do realize you're not making any sense when you say Tomac would have won if he wasn't playing it safe last Saturday, and then bring up when Tomac and Webb won against the GP guys when they were in the same situtation? Then you mention Musquin had a couple of faster lap times than Herlings, in the motos he still lost, but think it's retarded to talk about lap times in qualifying? Oh and since you mentioned Marvin closing in on Herlings in the first moto, how about the second where Herlings came from last and closed on Marvin, you ignore that completly? Funny how it turns around for some people on here depending on the situtation.

Herlings went 1-1 in the end. You don't have to like it, but you don't need to be a fool about it. If Tomac or any other US rider wins the USGP this weekend, you're gonna be using the same arguments to bump your chest that you're now trying to prove wrong after last Saturday. Just stop it and enjoy some great racing.
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8/29/2017 6:22am
Mxracer6y wrote:
Are you really going to bring up qualifying times? Are you retarded or just a couch racer? Where were those extra 2 seconds a lap when...
Are you really going to bring up qualifying times? Are you retarded or just a couch racer?

Where were those extra 2 seconds a lap when Marv was up his ass within 1 - 2 seconds for most of the moto.

In fact he closed up to the point of challenging for the win, made a few mistakes and a couple bobbles and settled in for second.

Herlings is very fast, don't worry no one is taking that away from you to say. He just most definitely did not "dominate" or was "untouchable"

If tomac didn't have a championship to lose the same way he had already lost one, he would've easily match and most likely bested herlings

Considering the way tomac anihilated the field of GP guys, including cairoli (who regularly beats herlings) at Charlotte and Glen helen last year, I seriously doubt he would have any trouble beating herlings.
Are you gonna be ok man? Just breathe it's only motorbikes
I brought up the quali times because the dude said it was a stretch to say he was dominant but in reality when you are fastest in qualifying and win both races (one from last) that's being dominant

If tomac didn't have a championship to lose the same way he had already lost one, he would've easily match and most likely bested herlings.. Well that's proof if ever I've heard it haha

and on your last point.. Yep you're obviously well on top of the sport from last year and this year
8/29/2017 6:39am Edited Date/Time 8/29/2017 6:40am
Mxracer6y wrote:
Are you really going to bring up qualifying times? Are you retarded or just a couch racer? Where were those extra 2 seconds a lap when...
Are you really going to bring up qualifying times? Are you retarded or just a couch racer?

Where were those extra 2 seconds a lap when Marv was up his ass within 1 - 2 seconds for most of the moto.

In fact he closed up to the point of challenging for the win, made a few mistakes and a couple bobbles and settled in for second.

Herlings is very fast, don't worry no one is taking that away from you to say. He just most definitely did not "dominate" or was "untouchable"

If tomac didn't have a championship to lose the same way he had already lost one, he would've easily match and most likely bested herlings

Considering the way tomac anihilated the field of GP guys, including cairoli (who regularly beats herlings) at Charlotte and Glen helen last year, I seriously doubt he would have any trouble beating herlings.
Why do people feel like they have to disprove a winner? It makes no sense and it makes you look stupid.
8/29/2017 6:57am
EnvyMedia wrote:
Why do people feel like they have to disprove a winner? It makes no sense and it makes you look stupid.
and the funny thing is they forget about the part Herlings was on Canards bike , had 2 days prep and had to race a track he never raced before ... but i quess we can forget about setup problems and home advantage shit in future Laughing Laughing
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All will be known this weekend!
8/29/2017 7:00am
if Herlings wins again at USGP , i better stay away here for next 2 weeks ... Wink
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EnvyMedia wrote:
Why do people feel like they have to disprove a winner? It makes no sense and it makes you look stupid.
True.
There's some serious butt hurt out there, and it's making people lose their senses..I do have to laugh at the haters and excuse makers.
Who ever wins or loses, I'll still enjoy and appreciate the guys out there racing.
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8/29/2017 7:06am Edited Date/Time 8/29/2017 7:09am
WCRider, why are you so butthurt? I feel like you're pretty mad that Herlings is not from Belgium..... shame on you
"I feel like you're pretty mad that Herlings is not from Belgium..... "

Voici les 46 titres de champion du monde remportés par des pilotes belges. (ranking from 2003).

7 titres mondiaux: + (3)
Stefan Everts (2 x 500cc, 3 x 250cc, 1 x 125cc, 1 x MXGP)

6 titres mondiaux:
Joël Robert (6 x 250cc)

5 titres mondiaux:
Roger De Coster (5 x 500cc)
George Jobé (3 x 500cc, 2 x 250cc)
Eric Geboers (2 x 500cc, 1 x 250cc, 2 x 125cc)
Joël Smets (4 x 500cc, 1 X 650cc)

4 titres mondiaux:
Harry Everts (1 x 250cc, 3 x 125cc)

3 titres mondiaux:
André Malherbe (3 x 500cc)
Gaston Rahier (3 x 125cc)

1 titre mondial:
René Baeten (500cc)
Jacky Martens (500cc)
Steve Ramon (125 cc)



Srsly like Everts, i dont care of Herlings. Like Roczen, it will crash hard, trust me.
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8/29/2017 7:06am
This is why it is so awesome that it was Herlings who did this. He makes people insane. He was always the rider who potentially was the fastest in the world and the AMA flag wavers were always intimidated by that. So he was just a sandbagger and he got his ass kicked by cairoli because he underestimated the class and what we saw Saturday wasn't domination, everyone just wasn't trying.
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if Herlings wins again at USGP , i better stay away here for next 2 weeks ... Wink
This place will blow up if Tomac wins by 30 seconds Smile
8/29/2017 7:11am
WCRider wrote:
"I feel like you're pretty mad that Herlings is not from Belgium..... " Voici les 46 titres de champion du monde remportés par des pilotes belges...
"I feel like you're pretty mad that Herlings is not from Belgium..... "

Voici les 46 titres de champion du monde remportés par des pilotes belges. (ranking from 2003).

7 titres mondiaux: + (3)
Stefan Everts (2 x 500cc, 3 x 250cc, 1 x 125cc, 1 x MXGP)

6 titres mondiaux:
Joël Robert (6 x 250cc)

5 titres mondiaux:
Roger De Coster (5 x 500cc)
George Jobé (3 x 500cc, 2 x 250cc)
Eric Geboers (2 x 500cc, 1 x 250cc, 2 x 125cc)
Joël Smets (4 x 500cc, 1 X 650cc)

4 titres mondiaux:
Harry Everts (1 x 250cc, 3 x 125cc)

3 titres mondiaux:
André Malherbe (3 x 500cc)
Gaston Rahier (3 x 125cc)

1 titre mondial:
René Baeten (500cc)
Jacky Martens (500cc)
Steve Ramon (125 cc)



Srsly like Everts, i dont care of Herlings. Like Roczen, it will crash hard, trust me.
Like Roczen it will crash hard ?? dude , grow a single braincell and get that chocolate out of your big head
youre not a MX fan in any way possible .. WTF
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8/29/2017 7:13am Edited Date/Time 8/29/2017 7:13am
Titan1 wrote:
He said he dropped the pace...his last 6 laps all in the 2:10's all but three laps (laps 2,3,4 if memory serves me correctly) prior to...
He said he dropped the pace...his last 6 laps all in the 2:10's all but three laps (laps 2,3,4 if memory serves me correctly) prior to that he was 2:09's and a 2:08...

I'll take his word for it that he was cruising to the win. It's the logical thing to do. Lap times support it.

Herlings was coming through the pack running 2:10's and 2:11's...while Marvin was putting in consistent 2:09's for the first half of the race. He built up a huge lead...then backed it down to 2:10's while Herlings was dropping the hammer with a clear track and running 2:09's and a couple 2:08's.

Marvin was managing the gap.

Again, none of this is to diminish what Herlings accomplished. He was the fastest guy Saturday. It's just some perspective for everyone that said he dominated.
Prejump wrote:
Do you race ? Have you ever slid out at the start of a moto, picked bike up & dealt with passing slower guys every corner...
Do you race ? Have you ever slid out at the start of a moto, picked bike up & dealt with passing slower guys every corner? Your analysis suggests your haven't as anyone who races would know the difference in running up front & coming through the pack.

With all the extra stress of fighting his way though, to earn the chance at the lead when MM gave up a few secs, it would not have been unusual for Herlings or any top rider to fade a bit as their moto would have cost more energy then the leader, so for Herlings to hold MM off for those last 2 laps is even more impressive.

Marvin gave up more than a "few seconds"...look at the lap charts, he gave up 10 seconds on lap 15. 10 is more than a "few". Lap 16 Marvin stalled his bike...which made the difference between their lap times.

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8/29/2017 7:14am
Prejump wrote:
Do you race ? Have you ever slid out at the start of a moto, picked bike up & dealt with passing slower guys every corner...
Do you race ? Have you ever slid out at the start of a moto, picked bike up & dealt with passing slower guys every corner? Your analysis suggests your haven't as anyone who races would know the difference in running up front & coming through the pack.

With all the extra stress of fighting his way though, to earn the chance at the lead when MM gave up a few secs, it would not have been unusual for Herlings or any top rider to fade a bit as their moto would have cost more energy then the leader, so for Herlings to hold MM off for those last 2 laps is even more impressive.

kongols wrote:
There was nothing to hold off. He was still faster those last two laps. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/08/29/212038/s1200_2017_08_29_2.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/08/29/212039/s1200_2017_08_29_1.jpg[/img]
There was nothing to hold off. He was still faster those last two laps.






He was faster lap 15 because Marvin crashed, and then Marvin closed the gap on lap 16 and would have been faster but he stalled his bike.
8/29/2017 7:15am
kkawboy14 wrote:
This place will blow up if Tomac wins by 30 seconds Smile
yeah pretty sure , if he wins ...but what if Gajser,Cairoli or Herlings wins ??

8/29/2017 7:17am
Titan1 wrote:
He was faster lap 15 because Marvin crashed, and then Marvin closed the gap on lap 16 and would have been faster but he stalled his...
He was faster lap 15 because Marvin crashed, and then Marvin closed the gap on lap 16 and would have been faster but he stalled his bike.
lets all agree , Herlings didnt dominate ...only won and was very lucky .... happy ?
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8/29/2017 8:03am
lets all agree , Herlings didnt dominate ...only won and was very lucky .... happy ?
Well , you won't get that from me. Jeffrey rode awesome and deserved every bit of it. Next week should be interesting. I'm excited to see the boys race , but I'm also excited to see what this WW track looks like. I've never seen it , so I hope it makes for some great racing.
8/29/2017 8:28am
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Well , you won't get that from me. Jeffrey rode awesome and deserved every bit of it. Next week should be interesting. I'm excited to see...
Well , you won't get that from me. Jeffrey rode awesome and deserved every bit of it. Next week should be interesting. I'm excited to see the boys race , but I'm also excited to see what this WW track looks like. I've never seen it , so I hope it makes for some great racing.
yeah next week could be another awesome race , Tomac wants to win this one for sure . But Herlings ,Gajser and Febvre have nothing to loose , maybe we will even see Cairoli in the mix ... dont think so , but who knows .
Too bad there are not more top US riders at the start , i mean Musquin would fit in very nice ..

its almost a mini MXON race Woohoo Woohoo let the best man win
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8/29/2017 8:37am
jeffro503 wrote:
Well , you won't get that from me. Jeffrey rode awesome and deserved every bit of it. Next week should be interesting. I'm excited to see...
Well , you won't get that from me. Jeffrey rode awesome and deserved every bit of it. Next week should be interesting. I'm excited to see the boys race , but I'm also excited to see what this WW track looks like. I've never seen it , so I hope it makes for some great racing.
yeah next week could be another awesome race , Tomac wants to win this one for sure . But Herlings ,Gajser and Febvre have nothing to...
yeah next week could be another awesome race , Tomac wants to win this one for sure . But Herlings ,Gajser and Febvre have nothing to loose , maybe we will even see Cairoli in the mix ... dont think so , but who knows .
Too bad there are not more top US riders at the start , i mean Musquin would fit in very nice ..

its almost a mini MXON race Woohoo Woohoo let the best man win
Yep!!
8/29/2017 8:49am
kkawboy14 wrote:
This place will blow up if Tomac wins by 30 seconds Smile
It wouldn't surprise me given it's in Florida. Herlings collapsed of heat exhaustion in Italy earlier this year and I doubt if a few days at Baker's will fully acclimatize him to the point he's on an equal pegging with some of the US riders.
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Titan1 wrote:
He was faster lap 15 because Marvin crashed, and then Marvin closed the gap on lap 16 and would have been faster but he stalled his...
He was faster lap 15 because Marvin crashed, and then Marvin closed the gap on lap 16 and would have been faster but he stalled his bike.
Look, it doesn't matter what the lap times show, it's irrelevant. What matters in a race is, who is fastest over 30minutes +2. That happened to be Herlings in both races on this particular day.
In years to come, people won't be talking about the lap times, they'll remember Herlings showing up on a borrowed bike, on a track he's never raced on and winning both races, especially coming from last to first. If you can't appreciate that kind of talent, you're obviously not a fan of MX.
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8/29/2017 8:58am
kkawboy14 wrote:
This place will blow up if Tomac wins by 30 seconds Smile
yeah pretty sure , if he wins ...but what if Gajser,Cairoli or Herlings wins ??

Here at vital it has been determined now because of Herlings beat down that the GP guys are better.
8/29/2017 9:01am
kkawboy14 wrote:
Here at vital it has been determined now because of Herlings beat down that the GP guys are better.
Laughing Laughing right
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8/29/2017 9:21am
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Personally I think that stiff suspension 'because you're fast' is stupid, and even the pros fall into the same trap. I've tested factory bikes that had...
Personally I think that stiff suspension 'because you're fast' is stupid, and even the pros fall into the same trap. I've tested factory bikes that had worse suspension than stock. In fact, I tested a Jan de Groot factory Kawasaki once, and afterwards I rode a beat-up Suzuki that some novice guy wanted me to try and the suspension was way better!

I don't care how fast you are, small bumps are still small bumps, and if the tyre doesn't maintain contact with the ground, even by half an inch in a corner, you have no traction and your tyres won't hold a line. In fact, if you're hitting those small bumps faster there's even an argument for needing suspension even softer to get the tyres to follow the ground.

Set up your bike for the hundreds of smaller bumps per lap rather than the one big jump.

Supple, compliant suspension gives you grip everywhere and allows you to go faster. Rigid suspension that means you don't bottom on the one biggest hit on the track makes you slower everywhere else.

If you're interested in an American's opinion of a GP factory bike read this:

https://motocrossactionmag.com/we-ride-romain-febvres-mxdn-winning-yama…
Thanks for the link. That was an interesting read. It appears that maybe the influence of Supercross has put everything else in the backseat.
8/29/2017 10:06am
kkawboy14 wrote:
This place will blow up if Tomac wins by 30 seconds Smile
And if Gasjer or Webb win by 30 seconds ?

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