Track prep...no excuses

7/3/2017 3:05am
I think they have been doing a good job prepping for the forecasted conditions... When I do my track I cut the entire track as deep as possible. I then go back and roll the straights and 30-50ft before and after each jump. This gives us the really deep ruts in the turns while increasing speed on the straights and jumps!

Far as the water, as a spectator I rather the track be watered, and possibly slotted than it being a dust bowl and not be able to see the race....
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7/3/2017 3:12pm
Bumping this up as I don't think people caught DC mentioning a fresh grass surface could be a good idea.
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7/3/2017 3:45pm
I think what I read sounded like:

"We would have rutted it out if not for the expected rain, but if the forecast is clear, don't worry we will rut like always"

Did I hear it wrong?
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7/3/2017 4:27pm
Historically, Mt Morris has sub-par track prep. Seems like every year there is rain on friday. They run press day and amateurs on a baked hard track, then it rains. If they don't have time to seal the track, some dozer work can alleviate some of the areas that will collect water. Really, If you're expecting good weather on race day, there are no excuses.

What really really pisses me off, when they dozer the slop back on the track after the rain stops without ripping the hardpack underneath! Usually arrive at the track on a beautiful Saturday morning and it seems like they only ripped the start. The rest of the track has about 8 inches of muck on top of dry dirt.

Not sure if they invested in more rippers this year, but they ripped the track......before the rain hit.

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7/3/2017 4:51pm
DC wrote:
"How about at least 1 track on the national schedule that's just grass with no bulldozers or ripping allowed. Just water the grass and let the...
"How about at least 1 track on the national schedule that's just grass with no bulldozers or ripping allowed. Just water the grass and let the tack do what it's gonna do. You know, a real old school track like Unadilla use to be a long time ago."

Reese, that's a really good idea, and maybe worth a try at some point!

DC
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My guess would be that Southwick and Dilla are the closest we will get to tracks remaining more natural.
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7/3/2017 5:54pm
A rough track is fine and makes for good racing. Peg deep ruts down the straitaways is not and is in my opinion very dangerous for these guys putting on the show.
The last 2 races have been the track prep of the year.
The year Eli wrecked and destroyed both shoulders, that track was pure pitiful and the riders should have refused to race on it... just my opinion people.
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7/3/2017 6:31pm
High Point got a typhoon? They were ripping and watering it Thursday night as everyone else knew rain was coming.
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8/7/2017 4:15pm
I can tell you this-
We worked our asses off watering at Washougal this year. It has been an unseasonably dry stretch as far as this summer goes, and we started feeding the track water every day and every evening, a week before anybody showed up. Washougal is a tricky track to water- the soil is moody, the shadows are shifty and will hold and dry water inconsistently, and the wind will absolutely kill the moisture content. The upper half of the track is all hills and heavily shaded, and the lower half is all banked turns that bake in the sun as soon as it comes up. The whoops are another animal all together...
We had Approx. 6 minutes between motos to water due to the tight T.V. schedule. Once bikes are on track, all hoses are shut down immediately. All of the water crew are former or current racers and know their respective sections very well. We pick rocks when we can. We pick up tear-offs whenever possible. We keep the medic paths free of clutter and accessible for rider safety. We try to find time to cool off the rowdies as well, as you can bet they are begging for a spritz when they are half-canned and the sun is out. There is a lot more to it than picking up a hose, turning the spigot, and making it browner.
I invite anybody to volunteer at their local track and help out. You can learn quite a bit conditions-wise, and in the end it will make you a better rider as you can read these conditions better.
My 2 cents.

Thumbs up to all the water crews out there- take pride in your hose. Haha...

Grass would be rad.

Carry on...
8/7/2017 4:29pm
byke wrote:
Grass? Remember Stewart in 2009 at Daytona? Don't think many riders would like grass, way too slick.
The grass is long gone by the time practice is done.
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8/7/2017 5:05pm
Oh how live TV and shortened weekend schedules has destroyed tracks and killed the prep.
I remember a weekend of fun with Saturday qualifying and Sunday racing w/ the Ladies included I might add and Monday Amateur day.
Great times and plenty of track prep time.
All gone now Sad
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8/8/2017 11:22am
DE262 wrote:
I can tell you this- We worked our asses off watering at Washougal this year. It has been an unseasonably dry stretch as far as this...
I can tell you this-
We worked our asses off watering at Washougal this year. It has been an unseasonably dry stretch as far as this summer goes, and we started feeding the track water every day and every evening, a week before anybody showed up. Washougal is a tricky track to water- the soil is moody, the shadows are shifty and will hold and dry water inconsistently, and the wind will absolutely kill the moisture content. The upper half of the track is all hills and heavily shaded, and the lower half is all banked turns that bake in the sun as soon as it comes up. The whoops are another animal all together...
We had Approx. 6 minutes between motos to water due to the tight T.V. schedule. Once bikes are on track, all hoses are shut down immediately. All of the water crew are former or current racers and know their respective sections very well. We pick rocks when we can. We pick up tear-offs whenever possible. We keep the medic paths free of clutter and accessible for rider safety. We try to find time to cool off the rowdies as well, as you can bet they are begging for a spritz when they are half-canned and the sun is out. There is a lot more to it than picking up a hose, turning the spigot, and making it browner.
I invite anybody to volunteer at their local track and help out. You can learn quite a bit conditions-wise, and in the end it will make you a better rider as you can read these conditions better.
My 2 cents.

Thumbs up to all the water crews out there- take pride in your hose. Haha...

Grass would be rad.

Carry on...
This guy waters! Haha.
For real, even guys who have been around our track A LOT look at us operators funny when we give instructions on "how to water".

It's a science bro. If I told a non-moto person how much time I've spent watering dirt, they'd think I was crazy!
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8/9/2017 4:37am
Jaybird67k wrote:
Oh how live TV and shortened weekend schedules has destroyed tracks and killed the prep. I remember a weekend of fun with Saturday qualifying and Sunday...
Oh how live TV and shortened weekend schedules has destroyed tracks and killed the prep.
I remember a weekend of fun with Saturday qualifying and Sunday racing w/ the Ladies included I might add and Monday Amateur day.
Great times and plenty of track prep time.
All gone now Sad
Well, people can wax all misty eyed about the good old days, but I used to work at gator back in the late 80's/early 90's. You can keep that crap.

I remember a local pro racing at the secession national in anderson, sc and getting stuck on a hill on the 125 site lap. when he fell over and couldn't even get to the bike. Everytime he tried he busted his ass and slid to the bottom.

Also remember the dust at Unadilla being so bad one year that there were riders who dnf because their air filters got so clogged the bikes quit.

It is hard to hit it perfect every time, and to pretend that it happened all the time back in our fond memories of the good old days is just not realistic.
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8/9/2017 6:10am Edited Date/Time 8/9/2017 6:10am
DC wrote:
Yes, Crush, and I agree with you, we've had some long, straight rut sections that seem to need more work, but given the limited time they...
Yes, Crush, and I agree with you, we've had some long, straight rut sections that seem to need more work, but given the limited time they have between motos, jump faces are often the priority. If you go through the pits and ask a dozen guys their opinion after a moto, you will get a dozen different answers and twice as many suggestions!

DC
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Thank goodness you came here for expert opinions!
8/9/2017 8:20am
MX Guy wrote:
Red bud is gnarly bro, everyone agrees on that. Baggett seemed to disagree with you when he labeled the track as "one-lined" on the podium in...
Red bud is gnarly bro, everyone agrees on that. Baggett seemed to disagree with you when he labeled the track as "one-lined" on the podium in moto 1. I thought it looked great and thought I saw outsides being used quite a lot.

I really think it's just the tracks towards the latter half of the year, they're just better.
BobPA wrote:
From my couch it looked kind of hard to pass at Red Bud...
Yes, and some of the sections needed to be a lot rougher. The jumps were way too easy. Watching from the recliner (after about 10 beers,) I'm pretty certain that I could have lapped the field. LOL

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