Stefan Everts on Cairoli v Herlings

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FARANG 6/27/2017 9:07pm
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I didn't think he was too harsh. A bit of niggle there obviously but it's not like he unleashed a load of expletives on him and what he said was pretty much true.

He does seem tough to please though, his comments on how his riders are doing were quite telling.
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Crush 6/27/2017 9:44pm
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There was nothing wrong with that interview at all.

Just statement of facts... He didn't call Herlings a puss, he said you can see who the champ is and Herlings got tired...
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Bidirella wrote:
Ofcourse he pulls off a cheap shot at Herlings. Not suprised at all about it, just the way he is.
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Knew it before I even clicked the link. Who in their right mind would think that Everts would ever say anything positive about Herlings?
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Especially since Herlings coninstantly talked about wanting to break Everts GP win record......while racking up over 60 wins in the tiddler class.
Everts won a shit load in 125 class and in mx3 when the best raced mx1. He also racked a load in single moto format winning mxgp the dropping to mx2 and spanking them guys the same day. If your going to discount Herlings at least compare apples to apples.
Herlings will win equal as many MXGPs as MX2 at least unless he gets hurt or moves to the US. He'll break Everts' record and without being able to get 3 wins in one day!
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Crush 6/27/2017 10:35pm
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Everts won a shit load in 125 class and in mx3 when the best raced mx1. He also racked a load in single moto format winning...
Everts won a shit load in 125 class and in mx3 when the best raced mx1. He also racked a load in single moto format winning mxgp the dropping to mx2 and spanking them guys the same day. If your going to discount Herlings at least compare apples to apples.
Herlings will win equal as many MXGPs as MX2 at least unless he gets hurt or moves to the US. He'll break Everts' record and without being able to get 3 wins in one day!
Pretty sure he has like 13 total 125 GP victories including 3 or 4 where he did the triple header...

Doesn't Herlings have like 40 and 1 is in MXGP?

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Not sure what he said that wasn't true. Its a fact that JH faded because he wasnt fit enough to stay with AC till the end...
Not sure what he said that wasn't true. Its a fact that JH faded because he wasnt fit enough to stay with AC till the end. If he wants the title he's going to have to work for it. If JH doesnt like it, then do something to prove him wrong. Theres a lot of team managers who don't like cockiness, that JH has shown in the past., RD being one of them. JH has had his share of "Bagget" interviews in the past as well. I think I would be a little resentful, if I had to leave a team over a rider like Herlings. He got pushed out, can you really blame him. I'm sure he felt disrespected over it.
How can you not expect cockiness from someone winning grand prix' and championships so young, it'll be naive for team managers to not expect that.
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Sully 6/27/2017 10:48pm
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Herlings is my favorite rider, but he has yet reach the maturity of a Everts or Cairoli. He'll get there, and the naysayers should remember there...
Herlings is my favorite rider, but he has yet reach the maturity of a Everts or Cairoli. He'll get there, and the naysayers should remember there is always another day.
If you go back and listen to his interview in Transworld's Kickstart video (super cocky, dropping f-bombs, etc), and then compare that to his interview earlier this year (underestimated the class, etc.), he's matured a yuuuge amount. He's made me a fan.
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Jefro98 6/27/2017 11:10pm
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People seem to forget but..

Cairoli was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age.
Everts was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age.
RC was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age.
MC was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age.
JMB was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age.
Bradshaw was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age.
.........

It's in their nature, these super talented riders want to be the best ever.

They all grew up and became fan favorites when the learned to stay humble.
Finnish_Flash_62 6/27/2017 11:44pm
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Jefro98 wrote:
People seem to forget but.. Cairoli was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age. Everts was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age. RC...
People seem to forget but..

Cairoli was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age.
Everts was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age.
RC was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age.
MC was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age.
JMB was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age.
Bradshaw was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age.
.........

It's in their nature, these super talented riders want to be the best ever.

They all grew up and became fan favorites when the learned to stay humble.
Exactly. Herlings has matured a lot from when he was 15-16 years old who started winning immediatly, punting peiple of the track for fun, dropping f-bombs on the podium and doing whatever any kid at that age. That studio show interview from Valkenswaard (if I remember correctly) earlier this year was classy from start to finish and shows how much he has changed. But it takes time to change that image, but lucky for him he still has plenty of years to do that.
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Turbojez 6/28/2017 2:42am
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I don't get it. Do you really think Herlings isn't fit enough to run with Cairoli? That's just ignorant. It was not a matter of fitness in Lombardia. Herlings have been balancing on the thin line of a damn heat stroke, (you know, something that has actually KILLED some riders in the past), what does it have to do with fitness level? Herlings is Dutch, Cairoli is Italian, it is pretty easy to determine which one of the two will have a slight advantage in extremely hot weather. Not much rocket science here bros.
And I can't get rid of the feeling that there's no chemistry between Everts and Herlings Silly
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I don't get it. Do you really think Herlings isn't fit enough to run with Cairoli? That's just ignorant. It was not a matter of fitness...
I don't get it. Do you really think Herlings isn't fit enough to run with Cairoli? That's just ignorant. It was not a matter of fitness in Lombardia. Herlings have been balancing on the thin line of a damn heat stroke, (you know, something that has actually KILLED some riders in the past), what does it have to do with fitness level? Herlings is Dutch, Cairoli is Italian, it is pretty easy to determine which one of the two will have a slight advantage in extremely hot weather. Not much rocket science here bros.
And I can't get rid of the feeling that there's no chemistry between Everts and Herlings Silly
I don't get how you can say it's not about fitness?

They were taking part in a physical activity in the same conditions.

AC's conditioning allowed him to go further in the heat.

That's fitness. They weren't sitting still in a sauna.
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I don't get it. Do you really think Herlings isn't fit enough to run with Cairoli? That's just ignorant. It was not a matter of fitness...
I don't get it. Do you really think Herlings isn't fit enough to run with Cairoli? That's just ignorant. It was not a matter of fitness in Lombardia. Herlings have been balancing on the thin line of a damn heat stroke, (you know, something that has actually KILLED some riders in the past), what does it have to do with fitness level? Herlings is Dutch, Cairoli is Italian, it is pretty easy to determine which one of the two will have a slight advantage in extremely hot weather. Not much rocket science here bros.
And I can't get rid of the feeling that there's no chemistry between Everts and Herlings Silly
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I don't get how you can say it's not about fitness? They were taking part in a physical activity in the same conditions. AC's conditioning allowed...
I don't get how you can say it's not about fitness?

They were taking part in a physical activity in the same conditions.

AC's conditioning allowed him to go further in the heat.

That's fitness. They weren't sitting still in a sauna.
Heat exhaustion has nothing to do with fitness. There were people in the crowd suffering from it, you're thinking they don't have the fitness to sit still a couple hours?
Finnish_Flash_62 6/28/2017 3:33am
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Turbojez wrote:
I don't get it. Do you really think Herlings isn't fit enough to run with Cairoli? That's just ignorant. It was not a matter of fitness...
I don't get it. Do you really think Herlings isn't fit enough to run with Cairoli? That's just ignorant. It was not a matter of fitness in Lombardia. Herlings have been balancing on the thin line of a damn heat stroke, (you know, something that has actually KILLED some riders in the past), what does it have to do with fitness level? Herlings is Dutch, Cairoli is Italian, it is pretty easy to determine which one of the two will have a slight advantage in extremely hot weather. Not much rocket science here bros.
And I can't get rid of the feeling that there's no chemistry between Everts and Herlings Silly
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I don't get how you can say it's not about fitness? They were taking part in a physical activity in the same conditions. AC's conditioning allowed...
I don't get how you can say it's not about fitness?

They were taking part in a physical activity in the same conditions.

AC's conditioning allowed him to go further in the heat.

That's fitness. They weren't sitting still in a sauna.
Heat exhaustion has next to nothing to do with fitness. Remember Josh Lichtle who died of heat exhaustion a couple of years back? Doubt it was because his fitness was worse than someone elses on the gate.

And I sweat quite a bit more sitting 10 minutes in a sauna than I do during a moto. Totally different thing.
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Crush 6/28/2017 3:37am
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Mate, I'm posting from the fucking desert otherwise known as Australia, it's hot as fuck down here. Every sport we ever play, the fit dudes can handle it better. The heat effects everyone, everywhere... and can do differently, but I bet if you split the people having trouble with it, the majority of the time, fitness would be a key factor.

So now, we're talking about two athletes, in the same environment, same track, same bikes, basically same track position, same speed, putting in the same effort... So at that level, one got really tired and had to drop back, because he couldn't keep it up, the other didn't.

AC isn't magically immune to heat. He's worked his balls off in those conditions to be able to do it.

Put it this way... if they were both riding 80% effort, would Herlings have had trouble, or could his fitness have allowed him to do it? If it's cold, can't he run that pace? That's conditioning mate. Same track and temperature for everyone. Is Herlings now hoping every race is deep sandy whoops and cold as fuck?
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jamma10 6/28/2017 3:49am
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I think acclimatisation could well have been a factor. Prior to the Italian GP Cairoli had been living and training at his house down in Sicily during an exceptionally hot heatwave.

Secondly Cairoli's about half the size of Herlings which must surely help in terms of endurance & heat dissipation etc.
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Jefro98 wrote:
People seem to forget but.. Cairoli was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age. Everts was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age. RC...
People seem to forget but..

Cairoli was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age.
Everts was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age.
RC was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age.
MC was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age.
JMB was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age.
Bradshaw was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age.
.........

It's in their nature, these super talented riders want to be the best ever.

They all grew up and became fan favorites when the learned to stay humble.
Well said mate
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Mate, I'm posting from the fucking desert otherwise known as Australia, it's hot as fuck down here. Every sport we ever play, the fit dudes can...
Mate, I'm posting from the fucking desert otherwise known as Australia, it's hot as fuck down here. Every sport we ever play, the fit dudes can handle it better. The heat effects everyone, everywhere... and can do differently, but I bet if you split the people having trouble with it, the majority of the time, fitness would be a key factor.

So now, we're talking about two athletes, in the same environment, same track, same bikes, basically same track position, same speed, putting in the same effort... So at that level, one got really tired and had to drop back, because he couldn't keep it up, the other didn't.

AC isn't magically immune to heat. He's worked his balls off in those conditions to be able to do it.

Put it this way... if they were both riding 80% effort, would Herlings have had trouble, or could his fitness have allowed him to do it? If it's cold, can't he run that pace? That's conditioning mate. Same track and temperature for everyone. Is Herlings now hoping every race is deep sandy whoops and cold as fuck?
AC isn't magically immune to heat. He's worked his balls off in those conditions to be able to do it.
Exactly. Cairoli isn't magically immune to heat, but he grew up in it, so it's normal for him. It's not like Herlings wouldn't have worked his ass off in the same way, but he isn't used to those conditions in the same way Cairoli is. That's why more and more US riders are moving to Florida. Not because they aren't working hard enough in SoCal, but to get used to the conditions. And again, when heat exhaustion hits you no matter how fit you are, you're done.

Same thing if I would travel to Australia I couldn't probably handle doing a moto in that weather that is normal to you. And vice versa, if you would come to Finland you would freeze your ass off in weather that is normal for me. Same enviroment, but different people used to different things.
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Sideways 6/28/2017 4:23am
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You mean Webb the,guy that beat him last year, that Webb?
Webb beat Herlings in ONE moto last year. Herlings beat him first moto in Charlotte and at the mxon webb was way off Herlings speed.

Not sure if webb raced mxgp at glen helen but Herlings went 1-1 there.
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By all the,JH defenders logic, because KR grew up in cool Germany, he shouldn't have won the US title, because its hot at the nats...got it....smh

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You mean Webb the,guy that beat him last year, that Webb?
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Webb beat Herlings in ONE moto last year. Herlings beat him first moto in Charlotte and at the mxon webb was way off Herlings speed. Not...
Webb beat Herlings in ONE moto last year. Herlings beat him first moto in Charlotte and at the mxon webb was way off Herlings speed.

Not sure if webb raced mxgp at glen helen but Herlings went 1-1 there.
Webb won the overall over him at Charlotte, that was my point...period.
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wreckitrandy 6/28/2017 4:50am
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What is fitness if not the physical capability to endure extreme exertion in extreme conditions? In order to improve one's performance, one must suffer. It's one reason Dungey moved to Florida. The more you suffer training, the more suffering you can stand. Cairoli wore him out.
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By all the,JH defenders logic, because KR grew up in cool Germany, he shouldn't have won the US title, because its hot at the nats...got it....smh
Watch the 2012 outdoor nationals it's basically the same thing. Then say how well Roczen handled the heat when he first came over.
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Jefro98 wrote:
People seem to forget but.. Cairoli was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age. Everts was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age. RC...
People seem to forget but..

Cairoli was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age.
Everts was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age.
RC was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age.
MC was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age.
JMB was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age.
Bradshaw was a cocky sob when he was Herlings age.
.........

It's in their nature, these super talented riders want to be the best ever.

They all grew up and became fan favorites when the learned to stay humble.
Bradshaw was already retired for the first time by Herlings age.
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Crush 6/28/2017 5:32am
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[i]AC isn't magically immune to heat. He's worked his balls off in those conditions to be able to do it.[/i] Exactly. Cairoli isn't magically immune to...
AC isn't magically immune to heat. He's worked his balls off in those conditions to be able to do it.
Exactly. Cairoli isn't magically immune to heat, but he grew up in it, so it's normal for him. It's not like Herlings wouldn't have worked his ass off in the same way, but he isn't used to those conditions in the same way Cairoli is. That's why more and more US riders are moving to Florida. Not because they aren't working hard enough in SoCal, but to get used to the conditions. And again, when heat exhaustion hits you no matter how fit you are, you're done.

Same thing if I would travel to Australia I couldn't probably handle doing a moto in that weather that is normal to you. And vice versa, if you would come to Finland you would freeze your ass off in weather that is normal for me. Same enviroment, but different people used to different things.
But that is the point, he's done more work, by where and how he's done it, therefore, he's fitter overall.

They're not measuring it in ideal conditions, otherwise they'd be strapped to a VOMax monitor in a 21° room with a light breeze.
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By all the,JH defenders logic, because KR grew up in cool Germany, he shouldn't have won the US title, because its hot at the nats...got it....smh
I mentioned growing up in certain heat conditions as "slight advantage", not a game changer. I think it took some time for Kenny to get used to different climate in the states?
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Crush 6/28/2017 5:46am
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machine wrote:
By all the,JH defenders logic, because KR grew up in cool Germany, he shouldn't have won the US title, because its hot at the nats...got it....smh
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I mentioned growing up in certain heat conditions as "slight advantage", not a game changer. I think it took some time for Kenny to get used...
I mentioned growing up in certain heat conditions as "slight advantage", not a game changer. I think it took some time for Kenny to get used to different climate in the states?
So next week, assuming it's a colder round, Herlings is "fitter" than he was this week?
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Turbojez 6/28/2017 5:48am
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But that is the point, he's done more work, by where and how he's done it, therefore, he's fitter overall. They're not measuring it in ideal...
But that is the point, he's done more work, by where and how he's done it, therefore, he's fitter overall.

They're not measuring it in ideal conditions, otherwise they'd be strapped to a VOMax monitor in a 21° room with a light breeze.
A tiny little thing can change whether you get a heat stroke or not. I find it hard to believe there is a gap in fitness between the top riders.

It's like Anderson's attitude sickness. Can you say, that he sucks at certain tracks and his fitness is off comparing to other riders, because he was unable to finish the moto? That's not the case.
Seems like Tony just deals with the heat better and was better that day, the same way that I would probably drop dead after 3 laps in the heat you have in Australia, but it doesn't mean my fitness level is lower than yours. I'm just not used to riding in such high temps.
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Turbojez 6/28/2017 5:52am
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By all the,JH defenders logic, because KR grew up in cool Germany, he shouldn't have won the US title, because its hot at the nats...got it....smh
Turbojez wrote:
I mentioned growing up in certain heat conditions as "slight advantage", not a game changer. I think it took some time for Kenny to get used...
I mentioned growing up in certain heat conditions as "slight advantage", not a game changer. I think it took some time for Kenny to get used to different climate in the states?
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So next week, assuming it's a colder round, Herlings is "fitter" than he was this week?
Yes, that's my point. In normal conditions all the top riders are fit enough to go for the full moto hard and they are on a very similar level. It was not lack of fitness that caught JH off guard, It was a heat stroke. Do you think he's fitness level is not good enough to walk him to the podium? Hell, even I could do that part and I'm no Herlings Smile
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By all the,JH defenders logic, because KR grew up in cool Germany, he shouldn't have won the US title, because its hot at the nats...got it....smh
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Watch the 2012 outdoor nationals it's basically the same thing. Then say how well Roczen handled the heat when he first came over.
Thats my point, KR knew his fitness wasnt there and moved to Florida and trained with Baker, you do what needs to be done to make it happen. JH isnt there YET...it should be,a,wake up call for him.
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Sodipop 6/28/2017 6:04am
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machine wrote:
By all the,JH defenders logic, because KR grew up in cool Germany, he shouldn't have won the US title, because its hot at the nats...got it....smh
Roczen was a mess in the heat for years.

Also... I doubt there is a national as demanding as what Herlings was doing. The heat got to him. I'm sure it will drive him to get better but I wouldn't be surprised to see him redeem himself this weekend.
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machine wrote:
By all the,JH defenders logic, because KR grew up in cool Germany, he shouldn't have won the US title, because its hot at the nats...got it....smh
EnvyMedia wrote:
Watch the 2012 outdoor nationals it's basically the same thing. Then say how well Roczen handled the heat when he first came over.
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Thats my point, KR knew his fitness wasnt there and moved to Florida and trained with Baker, you do what needs to be done to make...
Thats my point, KR knew his fitness wasnt there and moved to Florida and trained with Baker, you do what needs to be done to make it happen. JH isnt there YET...it should be,a,wake up call for him.
Don't forget that Herlings has been playing catch up all season after his injury. He missed 2 weeks before the season, then couldn't ride during the week for at least another 3-4 weeks beyond that. Trying to make that up is very difficult, but he has done incredibly well. If you look at Valkenswaard as the point where we could say that he was back, since then he has scored more points than anyone else. It's impressive that after struggling so much early on he's managed to turn it round so strongly. Especially when you look at someone like Febvre who has been struggling and slowly turning it around but hasn't even managed a podium yet this season.

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