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Edited Date/Time 1/20/2012 3:47pm
I would like to start out by extending my deepest sympathies to the Lusk family in this time of sorrow.

I was curious how does everyone think Jeremys fellow FMXers will take this tragedy? Do you guys think any of them will consider giving it up? I seriously doubt it since im sure thats not what Jeremy would want any of them to even think of doing.
I just ask myself every time i watch these guys perform, how much further will they push the envelope? The stunts they perform are incredible but are they worth the potential consequences?
I just think everyone probably says the same thing i do every time we watch Pastrana or Madison perform there amazing tricks, these guys are crazy they are going to put themselves in the hospital. And we all sit on the edge of our seat because we know what can happen if their trick goes wrong.
I guess thats what makes the stuff so exciting is that "what if they dont land it?"

GodSpeed Jeremy.....
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J.Saunders144 2/10/2009 8:15pm
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agreed and wondering the same thing myself all day, i was thinking would i wanna jump on my bike the next day remembering what happened to my friend/ everyday riding partner, it has to set you back a little i would think
ShoujoKakumei 2/10/2009 8:17pm
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I don't expect many of them to consider giving it up, for exactly the reason you said. I wouldn't be surprised to see guys inventing a crazy new trick and dedicating it to him. Might not be right away - it's got to be a huge psychological toll on the people who were close to him - but I still kind of expect that reaction.
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MelonFan123 2/10/2009 8:18pm
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i think the main thing that will come out of this is improved safety and medical staff at FMX events. I think this tragedy will make both riders and event organizers look long and hard at medical staff on hand and other safety concerns.
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Oldmotoguy 2/10/2009 8:19pm
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someone else will land on their head and die ..its bound to happen..

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KBehlingMX 2/10/2009 8:21pm
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It's not the first time someone has died riding and it won't be the last. I'm actually surprised at how much attention this has gotten. I hate to say it, but I think it's only because of his newly found success that people are actually paying attention to it.

A crash similar to that can happen at any time, freestyle or not, imagine just going over the bars like that? I have a feeling the final result of the injury was because of the inability of the EMTs and staff on hand, not the injury itself.

RIP
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sharkey 2/10/2009 8:29pm
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It's not the first time someone has died riding and it won't be the last. I'm actually surprised at how much attention this has gotten. I...
It's not the first time someone has died riding and it won't be the last. I'm actually surprised at how much attention this has gotten. I hate to say it, but I think it's only because of his newly found success that people are actually paying attention to it.

A crash similar to that can happen at any time, freestyle or not, imagine just going over the bars like that? I have a feeling the final result of the injury was because of the inability of the EMTs and staff on hand, not the injury itself.

RIP
isnt that the truth about a crash like that can happen any time. someone could easily do that going over the bars anywhere, not just a fmx event. look at the way villopoto crashed last weekend head first into the ground, maybe it just unlucky where his head hit in relation to his body on the ground
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MxDaD324 2/10/2009 8:32pm
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KBehlingMX wrote:
It's not the first time someone has died riding and it won't be the last. I'm actually surprised at how much attention this has gotten. I...
It's not the first time someone has died riding and it won't be the last. I'm actually surprised at how much attention this has gotten. I hate to say it, but I think it's only because of his newly found success that people are actually paying attention to it.

A crash similar to that can happen at any time, freestyle or not, imagine just going over the bars like that? I have a feeling the final result of the injury was because of the inability of the EMTs and staff on hand, not the injury itself.

RIP
While i understand your point but i dont really agree. Yes you can get seriously hurt or killed just having fun riding thru the woods but there is an elevated risk of injury with FMX as opposed to MX. Sure people are hurt all the time but the sport of FMX has risks that are much more dangerous than what your average racer takes.
I would say the reason this has received so much attention is because Jeremy is someone that all of us knew of. He was a household name in the dirtbike community.
Your comment about the inability of the EMT's, i dont think anyone should speculate on that. Just becasue it was another country doesnt mean they dont have the ability to properly care for someone.
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DoubleDeuces 2/10/2009 8:34pm
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It goes to show how talented these pro fmx athletes are given that this dosnt happen all to often all things considered. But given that foam pits are now common for an fmx rider to practice with Im not surprised that they continue to push the envelope - besides, they are all aware of the consequences everytime they get on the bike so i highly doubt Lusk's tragic accident will stop others from competing.
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In 2004 Australia's finest most natural talented dirtbike rider Jono Porter passed away. He was one of Australia's best SX/MX/FMX riders. A few weeks after his death, Blake "bilko" Williams and Cameron "sincs" Sinclair took to the ramps to try perfrom a Backflip. In which their Best friend Jono had mastered.

With no practice, no foam pits, just a downramp with a few hay bales, Cam and Bilko landed several flips. And said that they knew Jono was up there helping them.


I think it will be a shock for many of Jeremy's friends obviously, but im sure they will all have their own way of dedicating something to him.

R.I.P Jeremy.
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KBehlingMX 2/10/2009 9:07pm
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MxDaD324 wrote:
While i understand your point but i dont really agree. Yes you can get seriously hurt or killed just having fun riding thru the woods but...
While i understand your point but i dont really agree. Yes you can get seriously hurt or killed just having fun riding thru the woods but there is an elevated risk of injury with FMX as opposed to MX. Sure people are hurt all the time but the sport of FMX has risks that are much more dangerous than what your average racer takes.
I would say the reason this has received so much attention is because Jeremy is someone that all of us knew of. He was a household name in the dirtbike community.
Your comment about the inability of the EMT's, i dont think anyone should speculate on that. Just becasue it was another country doesnt mean they dont have the ability to properly care for someone.
I was talking more along the lines of SX/MX, not trail riding in the woods. As a racer, I don't see their risks being any greater than mine or anyone else who competes on a bike. Everything is calculated and tested in the foam pit.

Why shouldn't anyone question the ability of the staff on hand? Did you watch the video? Elementary school students here could have done a better job. I was down longer with a broken back and femur than he was, and they didn't even know what was wrong with him.

I had hardly ever heard of him before he was on the cover of TWMX, and when I heard about this the first thing that came to mind was "who is that?" Household name in the freestyle community maybe.

Bottom line, my opinion, the conditions weren't prime for the competition to take place and having it in BFE with poor staff around led to the end result.
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MxDaD324 2/10/2009 9:16pm
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I was talking more along the lines of SX/MX, not trail riding in the woods. As a racer, I don't see their risks being any greater...
I was talking more along the lines of SX/MX, not trail riding in the woods. As a racer, I don't see their risks being any greater than mine or anyone else who competes on a bike. Everything is calculated and tested in the foam pit.

Why shouldn't anyone question the ability of the staff on hand? Did you watch the video? Elementary school students here could have done a better job. I was down longer with a broken back and femur than he was, and they didn't even know what was wrong with him.

I had hardly ever heard of him before he was on the cover of TWMX, and when I heard about this the first thing that came to mind was "who is that?" Household name in the freestyle community maybe.

Bottom line, my opinion, the conditions weren't prime for the competition to take place and having it in BFE with poor staff around led to the end result.
Why your point of view is well taken i think your speculation about the ability of the EMS on hand and the conditions not being prime are totally speculation.

I would like to think that the professionals these guys are they would be the ones to call the shots on if the conditions are safe for them to ride. You cant make me believe for one minute that if Jeremy thought he was in danger because of the elements or the abilities of the EMS on hand he would have rode anyway.
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KBehlingMX 2/10/2009 9:23pm
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MxDaD324 wrote:
Why your point of view is well taken i think your speculation about the ability of the EMS on hand and the conditions not being prime...
Why your point of view is well taken i think your speculation about the ability of the EMS on hand and the conditions not being prime are totally speculation.

I would like to think that the professionals these guys are they would be the ones to call the shots on if the conditions are safe for them to ride. You cant make me believe for one minute that if Jeremy thought he was in danger because of the elements or the abilities of the EMS on hand he would have rode anyway.
It's all good. I'm not trying to force my point of view down anyones throat. Just explaining my side. Can't change what has happened, the best thing that can happen is that we learn from it.


I don't think any kind of weather would stop any of them from riding. That's why they get paid to do what they do. If the weather sucked, they'd just do it because they went all the way there and were getting paid. I know I would.


Now I just really wonder if you have seen the video or not? If you respond to any of this, at least answer that. Please don't say you didn't watch it "out of respect," being respectful would be watching it and learning something from it.


I myself have come across some retarded EMTs in the states, and when they try to do something to me I don't like I make them leave me alone. It doesn't look to me that he was able to "defend himself" the way I've just explained I have in the past.
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Craze 2/10/2009 9:29pm
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A couple of years ago, I ran into Carey Hart at the airport in Vegas.I had asked him if he was going to compete in the X-Games again after his crash.He stated "It's too dangerous(The Backflip) now with all the different variations they do now, someone's going to get killed one day. I really didn't think much about it that day, but now I see were in trying to best your the competition, you have to take risks and push the envelope further to make the trick more mind blowing. Then again, these young men are professional jumpers and practice these tricks to perfect them. Jeremy Lusk will be missed and was doing what he dedicated his young life to and enjoyed doing.....FMX has lost one of it's young stars.......R.I.P Jeremy
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MxDaD324 2/10/2009 9:35pm
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MxDaD324 wrote:
Why your point of view is well taken i think your speculation about the ability of the EMS on hand and the conditions not being prime...
Why your point of view is well taken i think your speculation about the ability of the EMS on hand and the conditions not being prime are totally speculation.

I would like to think that the professionals these guys are they would be the ones to call the shots on if the conditions are safe for them to ride. You cant make me believe for one minute that if Jeremy thought he was in danger because of the elements or the abilities of the EMS on hand he would have rode anyway.
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It's all good. I'm not trying to force my point of view down anyones throat. Just explaining my side. Can't change what has happened, the best...
It's all good. I'm not trying to force my point of view down anyones throat. Just explaining my side. Can't change what has happened, the best thing that can happen is that we learn from it.


I don't think any kind of weather would stop any of them from riding. That's why they get paid to do what they do. If the weather sucked, they'd just do it because they went all the way there and were getting paid. I know I would.


Now I just really wonder if you have seen the video or not? If you respond to any of this, at least answer that. Please don't say you didn't watch it "out of respect," being respectful would be watching it and learning something from it.


I myself have come across some retarded EMTs in the states, and when they try to do something to me I don't like I make them leave me alone. It doesn't look to me that he was able to "defend himself" the way I've just explained I have in the past.
Ohh yea i watched it several times and i seen exactly what you did. I just try to keep an open mind since obviously i was not there and i dont want to speculate.
I have had my complaints about EMS at our local tracks like everyone else has but the bottom line is if you dont feel comfortable with the people that are there to take care of you should something go wrong then you have the choice to not ride.
My son has broke his back before so i know what its like for a parent to deal with a serious injury.
This is why when we get to the track my wife talks to the EMT's and asks them are you EMT"s or are you Paramedics? There is a huge difference.
Can i see your credentials?
Where is the closest hospital should something go wrong?
Can i get directions?
Does this area offer LifeFlight? Some areas dont.
People complain about EMS at tracks but how many ask these questions? I know we didnt until my son got hurt pretty bad.
By nature people just want to complain and bitch and blame someone else, when in reality you are the one that can do the most for your safety.

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TJ 755 2/10/2009 9:41pm
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Craze wrote:
A couple of years ago, I ran into Carey Hart at the airport in Vegas.I had asked him if he was going to compete in the...
A couple of years ago, I ran into Carey Hart at the airport in Vegas.I had asked him if he was going to compete in the X-Games again after his crash.He stated "It's too dangerous(The Backflip) now with all the different variations they do now, someone's going to get killed one day. I really didn't think much about it that day, but now I see were in trying to best your the competition, you have to take risks and push the envelope further to make the trick more mind blowing. Then again, these young men are professional jumpers and practice these tricks to perfect them. Jeremy Lusk will be missed and was doing what he dedicated his young life to and enjoyed doing.....FMX has lost one of it's young stars.......R.I.P Jeremy
Sad but ironic his little brother perished at a SM race last year. It's all crazy. People die every day doin' just regular shit like driving or crossing the street or some disease or illness. You never know when your card is gonna get pulled. Glad there wasn't any kids, that was a game changer for me.
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WhipMeister 2/10/2009 10:44pm
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I think the difference in the risk is best described not as 'you can die in either one if something goes wrong', which is true, but as 'when something goes wrong, what's the chance you'll be able to walk away?'.

My opinion is that, in FMX, if something goes wrong, it's probably going to go VERY wrong. In MX, you have a much better ratio of 'walkaways' to 'total number of crashes'. IOW, there are risks in each. But the penalty extracted for a fuck up are way higher with FMX.

Put yet another way, 4-5 '9s' of reliability (as in 99.999% uptime without a failure) is an acceptable success rate in most things. But not for commercial aircraft or nuclear weapons. For rather obvious reasons. Same principle.
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croom mx 2/11/2009 4:46am
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I was never a fan of FMX I always thought wow! that looks dangerous compared to MX. Its a tragedy waiting to happen. There is not much you can do for a rider that lands on his head 40 feet in the air.

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J.Saunders144 2/11/2009 5:57am
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it can happen at any time when and where ever you ride this is true, but launching yourself upside down 25-30ft in the air every time you jump doesn't help your odds, honestly how often do you have the chance to slam head first from a 3-4 story drop on your local mx track
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I was at the Xgames when Hart crashed its was absolutley horrifying. I was also at Lake Whitney a few years ago when a teenage boy broke his neck screamed in agony and died enroute. My point is this happens in both sports and from what I've seen a lot more and a lot younger in MX. No one knows for sure if in fact the EMT was to blame and we may never so don't speculate at all its already upsetting enough. I too have been quite annoyed with them from time to time but god bless them for what they do. WHEN we chose to take a chance no matter what it may be we should know the possible end result. Jeremy was a great guy absoultely awesome athlete and will be missed. God Speed. (and for being well known...when I spoke to my son and his friends in georgia his comment was " damn he was one of the best there is". Maybe some of the adults don't know him but our kids certainly do!)
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35smom wrote:
I was at the Xgames when Hart crashed its was absolutley horrifying. I was also at Lake Whitney a few years ago when a teenage boy...
I was at the Xgames when Hart crashed its was absolutley horrifying. I was also at Lake Whitney a few years ago when a teenage boy broke his neck screamed in agony and died enroute. My point is this happens in both sports and from what I've seen a lot more and a lot younger in MX. No one knows for sure if in fact the EMT was to blame and we may never so don't speculate at all its already upsetting enough. I too have been quite annoyed with them from time to time but god bless them for what they do. WHEN we chose to take a chance no matter what it may be we should know the possible end result. Jeremy was a great guy absoultely awesome athlete and will be missed. God Speed. (and for being well known...when I spoke to my son and his friends in georgia his comment was " damn he was one of the best there is". Maybe some of the adults don't know him but our kids certainly do!)
It doesn't happen a lot more in MX. When someone goes down like the kid at the whitney national, that was one out of 3000 entries. There aren't 3000 serious FMX'ers in the entire world and the amateur FMX'ers that go down are never heard about. Both sports are dangerous but anytime you are flipping a motorcycle, it may be your last jump.
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vet954 2/11/2009 10:30am
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All FMX threads should be in non moto. Fucking nothing to do with motocross racing.

If people used mx bikes to heard pigs that would be motocross also?
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you are an ass.....where do you think most these guys started?
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As I said in the other thread...the EMTs may have been totally incompetent...or you could have had the best doctors in the world and an ER 20' away...but, you cannot take a hit like that to the head and expect to live. It could happen, but more often than not, you won't make it. Sad, but true.
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vet954 wrote:
All FMX threads should be in non moto. Fucking nothing to do with motocross racing. If people used mx bikes to heard pigs that would be...
All FMX threads should be in non moto. Fucking nothing to do with motocross racing.

If people used mx bikes to heard pigs that would be motocross also?
Tell that to almost every mainstream SPORTS Outlet who is branding him as a Motocross rider unfortunately.
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todder 2/11/2009 11:26am
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When you are racing MX you dont PLAN to be upside down 30ft in the air over concrete in some cases. You do plan to do that when FMXing. Big difference.
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Freestyle should not be called motocross.
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I love how the guys that say freestyle has nothing to do with motocross are guys with names like Vet and Old.
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35smom 2/11/2009 12:21pm
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Doesn't the heading for this forum say "moto-related" not motocross? ? Nobody said FMX was motocross but it is moto. Why do you guys have to turn everything into a pissing match?

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