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RG1 4/6/2017 7:31am
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Matthes with his blame pie is silly. I don't get how the blame is anything other than 100% on Reed. Dungey didn't break any rules. Chad...
Matthes with his blame pie is silly. I don't get how the blame is anything other than 100% on Reed. Dungey didn't break any rules. Chad did, and was penalized for it.
Technically Reed didn't break any rules either that you can say was black and white, clearly in violation of the rules. The AMA rules do say that you should move over, but they also recommend that you stick to your line, so you can't say that Chad definitely 100% broke the rules, that's what makes it difficult, and it's probably why the penalty is so weird. To me the blame pie is 85-90% Reed. Dungey has to take some blame for adding fuel to the flames when really , up until the main event, Reed hadn't done anything to him
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Matthes with his blame pie is silly. I don't get how the blame is anything other than 100% on Reed. Dungey didn't break any rules. Chad...
Matthes with his blame pie is silly. I don't get how the blame is anything other than 100% on Reed. Dungey didn't break any rules. Chad did, and was penalized for it.
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Technically Reed didn't break any rules either that you can say was black and white, clearly in violation of the rules. The AMA rules do say...
Technically Reed didn't break any rules either that you can say was black and white, clearly in violation of the rules. The AMA rules do say that you should move over, but they also recommend that you stick to your line, so you can't say that Chad definitely 100% broke the rules, that's what makes it difficult, and it's probably why the penalty is so weird. To me the blame pie is 85-90% Reed. Dungey has to take some blame for adding fuel to the flames when really , up until the main event, Reed hadn't done anything to him
I also think the blame pie is silly in this case. Blaming Dungey for Reed's antics is like blaming rape victims for wearing slightly provocative clothes and walking alone. Extreme example but you get the point...
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JSmith wrote:
Matthes with his blame pie is silly. I don't get how the blame is anything other than 100% on Reed. Dungey didn't break any rules. Chad...
Matthes with his blame pie is silly. I don't get how the blame is anything other than 100% on Reed. Dungey didn't break any rules. Chad did, and was penalized for it.
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Technically Reed didn't break any rules either that you can say was black and white, clearly in violation of the rules. The AMA rules do say...
Technically Reed didn't break any rules either that you can say was black and white, clearly in violation of the rules. The AMA rules do say that you should move over, but they also recommend that you stick to your line, so you can't say that Chad definitely 100% broke the rules, that's what makes it difficult, and it's probably why the penalty is so weird. To me the blame pie is 85-90% Reed. Dungey has to take some blame for adding fuel to the flames when really , up until the main event, Reed hadn't done anything to him
I get that, but I'm at least glad the AMA recognized "intent" more than a black or white rule infraction. Chad is a whiney douche...but he's a smart whiney douche. He knew how to skate along the edge of the rules, and thereby ignore the blue flags and maybe even escape a penalty by doing it. We all know that the penalty of $5000 + 5-points is the biggest joke ever, but the AMA had to do something to save face.
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Crush 4/6/2017 8:20am
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Some direct quotes from Gallagher in an article by BJ Smith...

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/supercross-dungey-reed-and-tomac

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Great article.
I'm surprised no one has commented on Gallagher's comments... he literally says Dungey didn't even make an attempt and wasn't close enough to pass... He doesn't need to block pass him or slam him, but he didn't even take a different line.... Chad dropped his times, Dungey slowed... so does Dungey now need free reign for each lapper?

I'll never argue Chad didn't do it on purpose, but ffs, there has to be some effort for the leader to attempt a pass surely? It's not like Reed swerved...

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Crush 4/6/2017 8:22am
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jnickell wrote:
I also think the blame pie is silly in this case. Blaming Dungey for Reed's antics is like blaming rape victims for wearing slightly provocative clothes...
I also think the blame pie is silly in this case. Blaming Dungey for Reed's antics is like blaming rape victims for wearing slightly provocative clothes and walking alone. Extreme example but you get the point...
Did the victim whoof whistle at the dude first?
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I get that, but I'm at least glad the AMA recognized "intent" more than a black or white rule infraction. Chad is a whiney douche...but he's...
I get that, but I'm at least glad the AMA recognized "intent" more than a black or white rule infraction. Chad is a whiney douche...but he's a smart whiney douche. He knew how to skate along the edge of the rules, and thereby ignore the blue flags and maybe even escape a penalty by doing it. We all know that the penalty of $5000 + 5-points is the biggest joke ever, but the AMA had to do something to save face.
Yeah, I think KTM would have put a lot of pressure on the powers at be to do something too. Handing out penalties is difficult in this sport, because a lot of the time the incidents are not black and white and are open to interpretation. The proper penalty in this situation would've been to black flag Reed, as per the rulebook, once they didn't do that they had no choice but to make something up
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jnickell 4/6/2017 8:41am
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jnickell wrote:
I also think the blame pie is silly in this case. Blaming Dungey for Reed's antics is like blaming rape victims for wearing slightly provocative clothes...
I also think the blame pie is silly in this case. Blaming Dungey for Reed's antics is like blaming rape victims for wearing slightly provocative clothes and walking alone. Extreme example but you get the point...
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Did the victim whoof whistle at the dude first?
Not a good point crush... So If she whistled she deserves to be raped? 100% blame goes to the douche that thinks the whistle justifies his action.
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RG1 4/6/2017 8:59am
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jnickell wrote:
I also think the blame pie is silly in this case. Blaming Dungey for Reed's antics is like blaming rape victims for wearing slightly provocative clothes...
I also think the blame pie is silly in this case. Blaming Dungey for Reed's antics is like blaming rape victims for wearing slightly provocative clothes and walking alone. Extreme example but you get the point...
I get where you are coming from, it is an extreme example, but I understand your point. I guess it's not necessarily Dungey's fault, but by calling Reed out when he hadn't really done anything wrong, he made a big mistake and put himself in a vulnerable position. I think personally when he reflects on the situation he should be thinking why did I do that? Rather than feeling hard done to
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jnickell 4/6/2017 10:27am
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I get where you are coming from, it is an extreme example, but I understand your point. I guess it's not necessarily Dungey's fault, but by...
I get where you are coming from, it is an extreme example, but I understand your point. I guess it's not necessarily Dungey's fault, but by calling Reed out when he hadn't really done anything wrong, he made a big mistake and put himself in a vulnerable position. I think personally when he reflects on the situation he should be thinking why did I do that? Rather than feeling hard done to
I do agree that Dungey made a mistake when he made his comment. Whether Reed had done anything wrong or not, RD felt like he did. But imagine RD said that comment about anyone else... It would have been a non-issue.

As many have said, Reed is known for speaking his mind. He clearly doesn't like when he's the person spoken about in the same vane as his past "mind speaking" instances.
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mxpro252 4/6/2017 10:42am
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I'm surprised no one has commented on Gallagher's comments... he literally says Dungey didn't even make an attempt and wasn't close enough to pass... He doesn't...
I'm surprised no one has commented on Gallagher's comments... he literally says Dungey didn't even make an attempt and wasn't close enough to pass... He doesn't need to block pass him or slam him, but he didn't even take a different line.... Chad dropped his times, Dungey slowed... so does Dungey now need free reign for each lapper?

I'll never argue Chad didn't do it on purpose, but ffs, there has to be some effort for the leader to attempt a pass surely? It's not like Reed swerved...

I was thinking this exact thing when watching them. More than once Reed would have a few bike lengths on Dungey and Dungey wasn't really changing his lines at all, just following Reed when he was actually right on him.

To be clear, I agree Reed did it on purpose but watch leaders come through lappers in most races. Its pretty common for them to take an odd line to get around or sometimes push the issue by block passing or standing them up. That's what I was expecting especially since he was closing on Eli.
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RG1 4/6/2017 10:53am
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RG1 wrote:
I get where you are coming from, it is an extreme example, but I understand your point. I guess it's not necessarily Dungey's fault, but by...
I get where you are coming from, it is an extreme example, but I understand your point. I guess it's not necessarily Dungey's fault, but by calling Reed out when he hadn't really done anything wrong, he made a big mistake and put himself in a vulnerable position. I think personally when he reflects on the situation he should be thinking why did I do that? Rather than feeling hard done to
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I do agree that Dungey made a mistake when he made his comment. Whether Reed had done anything wrong or not, RD felt like he did...
I do agree that Dungey made a mistake when he made his comment. Whether Reed had done anything wrong or not, RD felt like he did. But imagine RD said that comment about anyone else... It would have been a non-issue.

As many have said, Reed is known for speaking his mind. He clearly doesn't like when he's the person spoken about in the same vane as his past "mind speaking" instances.
I agree, if it had been almost any rider, nothing would've happened, but Reed has been around long enough now, people know what he's like. He doesn't make his personality a mystery, he's pretty open.

I think in general Reed doesn't really care what people think/say about him, it was just a situational thing. He was already pissed at Dungey from Detroit, rightly or wrongly, then you throw in the comments, then the fact that Reed was having a shitty main event, it just all boiled up perfectly for what happened to happen
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Crush 4/6/2017 11:00am
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jnickell wrote:
I also think the blame pie is silly in this case. Blaming Dungey for Reed's antics is like blaming rape victims for wearing slightly provocative clothes...
I also think the blame pie is silly in this case. Blaming Dungey for Reed's antics is like blaming rape victims for wearing slightly provocative clothes and walking alone. Extreme example but you get the point...
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Did the victim whoof whistle at the dude first?
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Not a good point crush... So If she whistled she deserves to be raped? 100% blame goes to the douche that thinks the whistle justifies his...
Not a good point crush... So If she whistled she deserves to be raped? 100% blame goes to the douche that thinks the whistle justifies his action.
No, it's never about deserved, I'd never make that comment in jest... The point of that simile did Dungey deserve Reed's interjection, no, but he put himself in it the second he opened his mouth. You can point fingers at Chad all you like; get angry, blah blah, but the second you leave yourself vulnerable you've done something you perhaps shouldn't. You never have control over someone else's actions, just your own.
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JSmith 4/6/2017 11:45am
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I'm surprised no one has commented on Gallagher's comments... he literally says Dungey didn't even make an attempt and wasn't close enough to pass... He doesn't...
I'm surprised no one has commented on Gallagher's comments... he literally says Dungey didn't even make an attempt and wasn't close enough to pass... He doesn't need to block pass him or slam him, but he didn't even take a different line.... Chad dropped his times, Dungey slowed... so does Dungey now need free reign for each lapper?

I'll never argue Chad didn't do it on purpose, but ffs, there has to be some effort for the leader to attempt a pass surely? It's not like Reed swerved...

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I was thinking this exact thing when watching them. More than once Reed would have a few bike lengths on Dungey and Dungey wasn't really changing...
I was thinking this exact thing when watching them. More than once Reed would have a few bike lengths on Dungey and Dungey wasn't really changing his lines at all, just following Reed when he was actually right on him.

To be clear, I agree Reed did it on purpose but watch leaders come through lappers in most races. Its pretty common for them to take an odd line to get around or sometimes push the issue by block passing or standing them up. That's what I was expecting especially since he was closing on Eli.
It is most common for the lapper to look back and ride slowly around the inside or outside of a turn depending on where the faster rider is going. Chad eventually slowed down and went to the outside right before the tunnel to let Dungey by on the inside.
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downard254 4/6/2017 12:18pm
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I didn't think Dungey had any real reason for his comments after the heat until I saw the slow mo video that the one guy on here posted where on the first lap, Chad went from center to right in the whoops. It was very close, and I think Dunge did have to check up slightly to keep his wheel from being taken out. Of course, maybe Reed didn't realize how close they were. Anywho, from the video, it didn't look like Reed got off balance, or caught a kicker to shift him to the right, it just looked like he went right to block the inside leading into the next 180. At least that's what it looked like in the Slo-Mo.
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This actually made me lol!

people are getting way to carried away with this whole ordeal.
Chad was out of line. Someone pissed him off and he retaliated, he's human. Not a single person on this forum who hasn't done the same in one way or another. No respect should be lost for him or stopping being a fan because he did one thing for 3 minutes which he shouldn't have done. People make mistakes and he's paid the price as a fine and championship points
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/04/06/186201/s1200_IMG_2325.jpg[/img] This actually made me lol! people are getting way to carried away with this whole ordeal. Chad was out of line. Someone pissed him off...


This actually made me lol!

people are getting way to carried away with this whole ordeal.
Chad was out of line. Someone pissed him off and he retaliated, he's human. Not a single person on this forum who hasn't done the same in one way or another. No respect should be lost for him or stopping being a fan because he did one thing for 3 minutes which he shouldn't have done. People make mistakes and he's paid the price as a fine and championship points
Eh, I've never gone out of my way to to get between two guys I know to be vastly superior than myself in any fashion.

That's what children do, not men, and much less professional men.
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Jt$ 4/6/2017 2:55pm
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Eh, I've never gone out of my way to to get between two guys I know to be vastly superior than myself in any fashion. That's...
Eh, I've never gone out of my way to to get between two guys I know to be vastly superior than myself in any fashion.

That's what children do, not men, and much less professional men.
Really difficult to detect any malice with "vastly superior" haha.. And it's flawed logic because I can flatly guarantee you that Chad doesn't view anyone as being vastly superior.
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Really difficult to detect any malice with "vastly superior" haha.. And it's flawed logic because I can flatly guarantee you that Chad doesn't view anyone as...
Really difficult to detect any malice with "vastly superior" haha.. And it's flawed logic because I can flatly guarantee you that Chad doesn't view anyone as being vastly superior.
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Eh, I've never gone out of my way to to get between two guys I know to be vastly superior than myself in any fashion. That's...
Eh, I've never gone out of my way to to get between two guys I know to be vastly superior than myself in any fashion.

That's what children do, not men, and much less professional men.
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Really difficult to detect any malice with "vastly superior" haha.. And it's flawed logic because I can flatly guarantee you that Chad doesn't view anyone as...
Really difficult to detect any malice with "vastly superior" haha.. And it's flawed logic because I can flatly guarantee you that Chad doesn't view anyone as being vastly superior.
He should. If they weren't, he wouldn't be riding around in 16th claiming he's got podium speed.

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