JA21 Neck Brace Ad

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Mini Elsinore 3/7/2017 7:21am
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Why stop there? How about next ad they show a guy in a wheelchair with the caption "This could be you". Buy our neck braces! Kinda...
Why stop there? How about next ad they show a guy in a wheelchair with the caption "This could be you".

Buy our neck braces!

Kinda like those Anti-Smoking public service ads.
^^^Those anti-smoking ads are more about organ harvesting than saving lives...'smoked out' hearts and kidneys don't bring the same value on the organ exchange market. There is always "a reason", and then there is always "the reason."
smashingpumpkins167 3/7/2017 7:31am
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^^^Those anti-smoking ads are more about organ harvesting than saving lives...'smoked out' hearts and kidneys don't bring the same value on the organ exchange market. There...
^^^Those anti-smoking ads are more about organ harvesting than saving lives...'smoked out' hearts and kidneys don't bring the same value on the organ exchange market. There is always "a reason", and then there is always "the reason."
My face when I read your post.

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rancor19 3/7/2017 7:33am
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cmarona463 wrote:
That's a weak argument. Do you really think if JA had been killed there then they would have used it for an ad? Who on earth...
That's a weak argument. Do you really think if JA had been killed there then they would have used it for an ad? Who on earth actually thinks that? Of course not. Why would they? But if someone is using a product and escapes serious injury in an accident that directly affected the area where the product was worn, can you show that the product in question had nothing to do with the outcome?
No. I guarantee they wouldn't have used it in an ad.

But hey, you're right. His goggles saved him.
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seth505 3/7/2017 7:37am
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rancor19 wrote:
No. I guarantee they wouldn't have used it in an ad.

But hey, you're right. His goggles saved him.
What is your argument? You think the ad is trash because it doesn't have a PDF attached to it with 35 pages of facts how it saved Jason? Honestly asking.
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rancor19 3/7/2017 7:40am
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^^^Those anti-smoking ads are more about organ harvesting than saving lives...'smoked out' hearts and kidneys don't bring the same value on the organ exchange market. There...
^^^Those anti-smoking ads are more about organ harvesting than saving lives...'smoked out' hearts and kidneys don't bring the same value on the organ exchange market. There is always "a reason", and then there is always "the reason."
That's why I smoke Atlas Cigarettes. I can wake up the next day on the floor of any bar in the Shanghai district with all my innerds intact.
TheOriginalPancakee 3/7/2017 7:44am
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Nothing wrong with the ad, JA is fine... move on...
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Here's where it get's touchy... What if he wasn't? They wouldn't be bragging about that, would they? Any claims they're trying to make here are dubious...
Here's where it get's touchy...

What if he wasn't?

They wouldn't be bragging about that, would they?

Any claims they're trying to make here are dubious anyway...
I don't think they would put that clip in if he wasn't okay
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rancor19 3/7/2017 8:00am
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Since you're the expert - let's see you prove that it didn't. I want hard evidence. No, "if I remember correctly" or "the bars nights have...
Since you're the expert - let's see you prove that it didn't.

I want hard evidence. No, "if I remember correctly" or "the bars nights have done this that caused that" because I'm all too willing to believe that atlas has pretty solid data via tests to show how their product reduces the same forces that Anderson neck took.
You, or I , don't really need to be an expert to see that, before the impact, he was leaning forward and his face was hovering about 4-6 inches over the left grip when his back/the back of his head was landed on. This, in turn, pushed his face into the bars(bending the bars down apx 2") and turning the bike to the right.

The neck brace did nothing in this scenario.

I'm not even trying to sell you anything...
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It's not a disgusting ad. Lets not go too far. It is a bit tasteless though. That's just my opinion. But I'm not a marketing guy. The fact that we are talking about it probably means it's at the very least an effective ad campaign.

The reason I think it's a bit tasteless is two reasons.

1. The rider did receive a fairly serious injury. I don't think the fact that he survived or wasn't paralyzed somehow changes that. Plenty of people have died or have been paralyzed while wearing neck braces. Are we to assume the neck brace did not perform properly then in those cases?

2. There is absolutely no data or proof that the neck brace did anything in this crash. The neck brace is not certified by any government testing bodies either. It's not fair to ask us to prove it didn't work. You cannot prove a negative. Prove it did work.

Do car companies show real-life crashes in their TV ads? I recall some aftermath footage of a damaged car, but I don't really recall any live footage of a car crash. Lots of footage of staged crashes but very very little if any real footage of a crash that resulted in serious injury but survival.

If you were selling bullet proof vests would it be tasteful to use real video footage of a cop being shot but surviving because of his vest?

I see ads on TV occasionally for an in-home Defibrulator. Would it be tasteless to see live footage of someone laying on the floor being shocked back to life? What they showed instead was an animated version of this.

For the record I would never set foot on a bike with a without a neckbrace. So not here to debate it's usefulness. The ad is a bit tasteless and I don't think that makes me a snowflake.
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seth505 3/7/2017 8:03am
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You, or I , don't really need to be an expert to see that, before the impact, he was leaning forward and his face was hovering...
You, or I , don't really need to be an expert to see that, before the impact, he was leaning forward and his face was hovering about 4-6 inches over the left grip when his back/the back of his head was landed on. This, in turn, pushed his face into the bars(bending the bars down apx 2") and turning the bike to the right.

The neck brace did nothing in this scenario.

I'm not even trying to sell you anything...
Did you call Atlas and inform them of your thorough conclusion of the scenario?
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Almost as bad as this one!!!




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akillerwombat 3/7/2017 8:13am
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rancor19 wrote:
You, or I , don't really need to be an expert to see that, before the impact, he was leaning forward and his face was hovering...
You, or I , don't really need to be an expert to see that, before the impact, he was leaning forward and his face was hovering about 4-6 inches over the left grip when his back/the back of his head was landed on. This, in turn, pushed his face into the bars(bending the bars down apx 2") and turning the bike to the right.

The neck brace did nothing in this scenario.

I'm not even trying to sell you anything...
So you've got nothing but your opinion then?
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rancor19 3/7/2017 8:14am
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Did you call Atlas and inform them of your thorough conclusion of the scenario?
I understand the function of a neck brace and what it's supposed to, and can (and can not) do. It's not rocket science, yo.
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cmarona463 3/7/2017 8:15am
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You, or I , don't really need to be an expert to see that, before the impact, he was leaning forward and his face was hovering...
You, or I , don't really need to be an expert to see that, before the impact, he was leaning forward and his face was hovering about 4-6 inches over the left grip when his back/the back of his head was landed on. This, in turn, pushed his face into the bars(bending the bars down apx 2") and turning the bike to the right.

The neck brace did nothing in this scenario.

I'm not even trying to sell you anything...
So you think that there's no possibility that the atlas brace supporting his neck, allowed his head to move forward and down rather than straight down, possibly breaking his neck? You think that that's not possible at all?
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sometimes when i'm browsing PH there will be ads on the right for indigestion pills and stool softeners
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rancor19 3/7/2017 8:22am
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So you think that there's no possibility that the atlas brace supporting his neck, allowed his head to move forward and down rather than straight down...
So you think that there's no possibility that the atlas brace supporting his neck, allowed his head to move forward and down rather than straight down, possibly breaking his neck? You think that that's not possible at all?
I originally said it COULD HAVE played a part and I 'll stick by that but, if you watch the range that it happened in, it just doesn't look likely that it did much of anything at all.

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seth505 3/7/2017 8:23am
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seth505 wrote:
Did you call Atlas and inform them of your thorough conclusion of the scenario?
rancor19 wrote:
I understand the function of a neck brace and what it's supposed to, and can (and can not) do. It's not rocket science, yo.
It sure is simple overall but there are a lot of variables going on in every situation. I think the only thing you proved is that you don't like the ad or the brace, which is fine.
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seth505 3/7/2017 8:25am
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peelout wrote:
sometimes when i'm browsing PH there will be ads on the right for indigestion pills and stool softeners
I hope you made a post about how the stool softeners are complete bullshit bro
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rancor19 3/7/2017 8:29am
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It sure is simple overall but there are a lot of variables going on in every situation. I think the only thing you proved is that...
It sure is simple overall but there are a lot of variables going on in every situation. I think the only thing you proved is that you don't like the ad or the brace, which is fine.
I'm not knocking it. I'm sure it's a fine product. If he wears them, I'm sure he trusts them which is testimony enough for me.

I don't believe it helped him in this instance tho. That's all...
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rancor19 3/7/2017 8:33am
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I hope you made a post about how the stool softeners are complete bullshit bro
I never said they were complete bullshit.

Just in this instance(definitely-possibly).
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rancor19 3/7/2017 8:39am
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akillerwombat wrote:
So you've got nothing but your opinion then?
Same as them. No more, no less.
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seth505 3/7/2017 8:40am
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seth505 wrote:
It sure is simple overall but there are a lot of variables going on in every situation. I think the only thing you proved is that...
It sure is simple overall but there are a lot of variables going on in every situation. I think the only thing you proved is that you don't like the ad or the brace, which is fine.
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I'm not knocking it. I'm sure it's a fine product. If he wears them, I'm sure he trusts them which is testimony enough for me. I...
I'm not knocking it. I'm sure it's a fine product. If he wears them, I'm sure he trusts them which is testimony enough for me.

I don't believe it helped him in this instance tho. That's all...
Right on, fair enough
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Mini Elsinore 3/7/2017 8:42am
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Laughing THat and wear a "HIV+" bracelet!
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jorgechavez 3/7/2017 8:46am
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I would just like to know why it bothered you guys so much? You think Atlas put that up without ever asking Jason if it's ok? Are you so against neck braces that you're bothered that someone would wear one? Surely the James Stewart thread's are more relevant than this..
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akillerwombat wrote:
So you've got nothing but your opinion then?
rancor19 wrote:
Same as them. No more, no less.
So you think the only thing these braces were developed based on was a single person's opinion? Not the hours of independent third party testing or the multiple revisions made to the product before it was deemed to be a preventative device that can help save lives.

Yeah just an opinion Whistling

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