Pro Teams Dropping the Ball (Drives me crazy...)

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3/5/2017 9:27pm Edited Date/Time 3/5/2017 9:30pm
FWYT wrote:
I think we all know why teams are not all over this- because they have their hands full trying to win races. Same as why the...
I think we all know why teams are not all over this- because they have their hands full trying to win races. Same as why the marketing department doesn't weigh in on ECU maps. The duck does not talk to the chicken, ya know?

It seems to me that the real question is why somebody is not exploiting this untapped potential, for a fee of course! I mean, if the money is there and if those numbers are indeed actual potential just sitting there, why are digital marketing guys not pimping those numbers to those wallets?
The main reason....SX and MX is SUCH a different animal. I'm in no way trying to toot my own horn, but I can almost guarantee if you take a digital marketing expert that has zero knowledge of the sport they won't come up with the same strategies that I would. I'm 39 and have followed this sport closely since I was five.

Large marketing agencies will take a deal like this all day, but without knowing how the sport operates and all its little quirks, their results won't be as good as they could be. Most see the "fee" and will do the bare minimal to make the client (in this case the race team) keep paying their retainer.

Pair an open minded pro team with someone that knows the sport inside and out and has a marketing mind that works 24/7 and thinks outside the box and amazing things can happen.

With that being said, if a TLD KTM or Rockstar Husky level team is interested, I'd be more than happy to give my time and input...for free. I love this sport and want to see teams succeed. More than willing to do my part to make sure that happens.
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Some time ago an athlete I worked with was looking into finding sponsorships for his program. I remember looking through a packet sent by Home Depot. Within the first few paragraphs is stated that the starting amount they would pay is 1 million with more available. What was interesting was before Home Depot would even consider a sponsorship you had to demonstrate how you would expose Home Depot to your demographic. Besides the traditional questions about logo placement on vehicle/bike there were questions about merchandising. How many units of t-shirts, hats, key fobs, jackets, lighters, etc. do you plan on selling at each event. How many sold at retail. How many sold online. How many given out in contests. There were questions about tv, radio, internet, mailers. Questions about in store appearances, vehicle placement at stores. You get the picture. If I remember correctly there was mention of wanting a 10 X return on investment.

Teams a extremely limited in their ability to engage fans in the pits with sponsor product especially if the sponsor is a competing brand.

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EddieC wrote:
Some time ago an athlete I worked with was looking into finding sponsorships for his program. I remember looking through a packet sent by Home Depot...
Some time ago an athlete I worked with was looking into finding sponsorships for his program. I remember looking through a packet sent by Home Depot. Within the first few paragraphs is stated that the starting amount they would pay is 1 million with more available. What was interesting was before Home Depot would even consider a sponsorship you had to demonstrate how you would expose Home Depot to your demographic. Besides the traditional questions about logo placement on vehicle/bike there were questions about merchandising. How many units of t-shirts, hats, key fobs, jackets, lighters, etc. do you plan on selling at each event. How many sold at retail. How many sold online. How many given out in contests. There were questions about tv, radio, internet, mailers. Questions about in store appearances, vehicle placement at stores. You get the picture. If I remember correctly there was mention of wanting a 10 X return on investment.

Teams a extremely limited in their ability to engage fans in the pits with sponsor product especially if the sponsor is a competing brand.

The sport has a long way to go. I'm not even talking about "bringing it to NASCAR level" -- I mean to the point where riders and teams can properly market themselves and their sponsors.
3/6/2017 5:51am
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The sport has a long way to go. I'm not even talking about "bringing it to NASCAR level" -- I mean to the point where riders...
The sport has a long way to go. I'm not even talking about "bringing it to NASCAR level" -- I mean to the point where riders and teams can properly market themselves and their sponsors.
MDM-nice posting / info. To a non-marketing guy, this is very interesting stuff, not just from an MX/SX perspective. Just wanted to say thanks for a well thought out post and replies, very refreshing and extremely interesting.

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MDM-nice posting / info. To a non-marketing guy, this is very interesting stuff, not just from an MX/SX perspective. Just wanted to say thanks for a...
MDM-nice posting / info. To a non-marketing guy, this is very interesting stuff, not just from an MX/SX perspective. Just wanted to say thanks for a well thought out post and replies, very refreshing and extremely interesting.
Thanks for the note. I appreciate it.
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MDM wrote:
There are plenty of companies that "make sense" (and have the money)... The "deal" just needs to be packaged right. Just to throw something else out...
There are plenty of companies that "make sense" (and have the money)...

The "deal" just needs to be packaged right.

Just to throw something else out there...

Let's take a look at the KTM factory riders (Ryan Dungey, Marvin and Trey) Social media following:

Ryan Dungey:
Instagram - 785k
Twitter - 248K
Facebook - 998k

Marvin:
Instagram - 296k
Twitter - 77k
Facebook - 195k

Trey:
Instagram - 259k
Twitter - 120k
Facebook - 460k

This is a grand total of nearly 3.5 MILLION social followers between the 3 riders on this team.

This is a HUGE value, to both industry sponsors and outside sponsors that I can promise isn't being leveraged the way it could be.

There is so much that could be done. So much! Potential that nobody even knows exists...
I think you are definitely on to something here. I think overall the motocross industry does a piss poor job or marketing.

Here is an example: A few weeks leading up to the start of the Dallas SX I started hearing ads for the supercross race on local sports radio station. That's well and grand I suppose, except it's like the exact same add every single year. And if you don't know anything about SX the add itself does not spark a shred of interest.

I'm really surprised that FELD doesn't setup any interviews with the radio station hosts and some of the top riders. I'm also surprised that FELD doesn't pay to get some of the radio personalities to go to the SX and have them talk about it on Monday's. This just seems like such a no brainer.

You need to get people talking about it. The radio stations will do anything for money. Surely there is a value added marketing opportunity here that's being missed.

I agree with everything you said in your first post as well. The teams could be doing so much more to add value to potential sponsors. Why don't the teams have any apps for the phones? They could be pushing all kinds of exclusive content to fans.

I'm not a marketing guy buy there is so much low hanging fruit these teams could be getting in terms of fan interaction. And there is so much FELD could be doing as well.
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3/6/2017 7:50am Edited Date/Time 3/6/2017 7:51am
I have often thought about this. It seems like the people who are involved in the business side of this sport are, for lack of a better term, uneducated. I guess it may seem that way because it does trickle down to the riders. One problem is, its hard to compare mx/sx to stick and ball sports because it's too different. Just for example take any NBA player, you will not see the shameless plugs on their Instagram accounts like we have in our sport. Granted we have more than a couple riders who do social media the right way but for the most part, I feel its just ad after ad in a really distasteful way. I know ads pay the bills but it just looks and feels so tacky. What I am really trying to say is overall, I don't know how this sport is supposed to get bigger when there is an overwhelming feeling of unprofessionalism in every avenue of this sport.

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I have often thought about this. It seems like the people who are involved in the business side of this sport are, for lack of a...
I have often thought about this. It seems like the people who are involved in the business side of this sport are, for lack of a better term, uneducated. I guess it may seem that way because it does trickle down to the riders. One problem is, its hard to compare mx/sx to stick and ball sports because it's too different. Just for example take any NBA player, you will not see the shameless plugs on their Instagram accounts like we have in our sport. Granted we have more than a couple riders who do social media the right way but for the most part, I feel its just ad after ad in a really distasteful way. I know ads pay the bills but it just looks and feels so tacky. What I am really trying to say is overall, I don't know how this sport is supposed to get bigger when there is an overwhelming feeling of unprofessionalism in every avenue of this sport.

You nailed it with the low hanging fruit.

My mind is full of ideas they could implement that would cost essentially nothing and produce huge results in terms of sponsor value.

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I have often thought about this. It seems like the people who are involved in the business side of this sport are, for lack of a...
I have often thought about this. It seems like the people who are involved in the business side of this sport are, for lack of a better term, uneducated. I guess it may seem that way because it does trickle down to the riders. One problem is, its hard to compare mx/sx to stick and ball sports because it's too different. Just for example take any NBA player, you will not see the shameless plugs on their Instagram accounts like we have in our sport. Granted we have more than a couple riders who do social media the right way but for the most part, I feel its just ad after ad in a really distasteful way. I know ads pay the bills but it just looks and feels so tacky. What I am really trying to say is overall, I don't know how this sport is supposed to get bigger when there is an overwhelming feeling of unprofessionalism in every avenue of this sport.

On social, it's all about being as genuine and organic as possible. I know several social media influencer that make millions a year posting content and if you looked at their accounts you would never know it was "paid."
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Kids arent interested in dirtbikes like they used to be

Kids arent interested in dirtbikes like they used to be

Kids arent interested in dirtbikes like they ussd to be

Kids arent interested in dirtbikes like they used to be

Kids arent interested in dirtbikes like they used to be

Kids arent interested in dirtbikes like they used to be

...what us so hard to understand about that? THE SPORT HAS BEEN DECLINING FOR 30 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!! There was a tiny resurgence of interest in the mid '90's with the whole extreme sports movement, but even that has long since been over

motocross bike sales peaked in 1980 for christs sake...thats not per capita. Thats when there were 100,000,000 less people in this country. If that doesnt paint a clear enough picture then you are soneone who is probably challenged by even the simplest things in life.

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I wouldn't say kids aren't interested...I would say parents are less inclined to getting the kids into the sport or allowing them to participate because of the increasing costs. When I raced guess what a brand new 125 was? I could get them for $4k out the door. A teen could make that mowing lawns in the summer...so it was possible to race even without mom and dad paying for everything.

The sport overall is thriving in some areas. Example: 2 stroke Husky 125's are very hard to find. People are buying bikes. Pro races still have spectators. The sport still has TV coverage. There is an opportunity for sponsorship money...and as I've mentioned before it just requires some creativity.
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3/6/2017 10:18am Edited Date/Time 3/6/2017 10:27am
Katoomey wrote:
Kids arent interested in dirtbikes like they used to be Kids arent interested in dirtbikes like they used to be Kids arent interested in dirtbikes like...
Kids arent interested in dirtbikes like they used to be

Kids arent interested in dirtbikes like they used to be

Kids arent interested in dirtbikes like they ussd to be

Kids arent interested in dirtbikes like they used to be

Kids arent interested in dirtbikes like they used to be

Kids arent interested in dirtbikes like they used to be

...what us so hard to understand about that? THE SPORT HAS BEEN DECLINING FOR 30 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!! There was a tiny resurgence of interest in the mid '90's with the whole extreme sports movement, but even that has long since been over

motocross bike sales peaked in 1980 for christs sake...thats not per capita. Thats when there were 100,000,000 less people in this country. If that doesnt paint a clear enough picture then you are soneone who is probably challenged by even the simplest things in life.

X2! This thread is starting to feel like the colorado2day postings. Maybe the answer is EFI 2-strokes.
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Katoomey wrote:
Kids arent interested in dirtbikes like they used to be Kids arent interested in dirtbikes like they used to be Kids arent interested in dirtbikes like...
Kids arent interested in dirtbikes like they used to be

Kids arent interested in dirtbikes like they used to be

Kids arent interested in dirtbikes like they ussd to be

Kids arent interested in dirtbikes like they used to be

Kids arent interested in dirtbikes like they used to be

Kids arent interested in dirtbikes like they used to be

...what us so hard to understand about that? THE SPORT HAS BEEN DECLINING FOR 30 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!! There was a tiny resurgence of interest in the mid '90's with the whole extreme sports movement, but even that has long since been over

motocross bike sales peaked in 1980 for christs sake...thats not per capita. Thats when there were 100,000,000 less people in this country. If that doesnt paint a clear enough picture then you are soneone who is probably challenged by even the simplest things in life.

I don't think OP is talking about "growing the sport". I think he is more talking about maximizing the viewership we currently have from an advertising/sponsor dollar perspective.

The teams do a poor job engaging the fans. FELD does a poor job advertising races and events.

If you are a potential outside sponsor these are things you are looking at. How are teams driving fan engagement which in turn drives brand awareness which in turn influences ad dollars.

That has nothing to do with growing the sport in the traditional sense.
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X2! This thread is starting to feel like the colorado2day postings. Maybe the answer is EFI 2-strokes.
I started this thread to point out that many teams are missing a lot of opportunities.

So, because of the state the sport is in, wouldn't it be wise for them to maximize every single opportunity available to deliver the biggest return to the sponsor in an effort to retain them and hopefully attract more?
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MDM wrote:
I started this thread to point out that many teams are missing a lot of opportunities. So, because of the state the sport is in, wouldn't...
I started this thread to point out that many teams are missing a lot of opportunities.

So, because of the state the sport is in, wouldn't it be wise for them to maximize every single opportunity available to deliver the biggest return to the sponsor in an effort to retain them and hopefully attract more?
EXACTLY! Thank you.
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IMO, the difference in nascar marketing vs SX is nascar fans will buy Tide if they sponsor there favorite driver. And that goes for any of the fans, how many nascar fans you think have nationwide insurance because Dale Jr. drives for them? Difference being most SX fans are flat bill, ears tucked in dbags that wouldn't know the difference if Dungey switched to #13. They don't care if little Debbie starts sponsoring factory KTM they won't be buying fudge rounds. Just like I'm sure Jimmy John's didn't gain more customers by sponsoring RCH. True hardcore fans are the ones who sit outside in 100* temps and watch the nationals. Feld or the teams will never cater to those folks though, in fact there are rumors flying around they want to ditch the nationals.
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sam hain wrote:
IMO, the difference in nascar marketing vs SX is nascar fans will buy Tide if they sponsor there favorite driver. And that goes for any of...
IMO, the difference in nascar marketing vs SX is nascar fans will buy Tide if they sponsor there favorite driver. And that goes for any of the fans, how many nascar fans you think have nationwide insurance because Dale Jr. drives for them? Difference being most SX fans are flat bill, ears tucked in dbags that wouldn't know the difference if Dungey switched to #13. They don't care if little Debbie starts sponsoring factory KTM they won't be buying fudge rounds. Just like I'm sure Jimmy John's didn't gain more customers by sponsoring RCH. True hardcore fans are the ones who sit outside in 100* temps and watch the nationals. Feld or the teams will never cater to those folks though, in fact there are rumors flying around they want to ditch the nationals.
You could flip the script and say, "Most NASCAR fans are dumb uneducated rednecks that couldn't afford (insert product name) or too stupid to understand what (insert sponsor product) is."

Sure, there are the "bros" at SX races, but there are also a lot of middle class, educated, self employed successful people. Just like there is a wide demo at NASCAR races.

It all comes down to what gets in the way of anything: excuses.

When the excuses get thrown out the window, and teams sit back and say, "Wow, we need to do something before it's too late" then, and only then, will something happen.
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Are you trying to draw new fans in or maximize the experience for the existing fans?
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MR. X wrote:
Are you trying to draw new fans in or maximize the experience for the existing fans?
Easiest way to do both: provide existing fans an experience they can't stop talking about and it attracts new fans and the sport experiences exponential growth.
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I don't think OP is talking about "growing the sport". I think he is more talking about maximizing the viewership we currently have from an advertising/sponsor...
I don't think OP is talking about "growing the sport". I think he is more talking about maximizing the viewership we currently have from an advertising/sponsor dollar perspective.

The teams do a poor job engaging the fans. FELD does a poor job advertising races and events.

If you are a potential outside sponsor these are things you are looking at. How are teams driving fan engagement which in turn drives brand awareness which in turn influences ad dollars.

That has nothing to do with growing the sport in the traditional sense.


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kzizok wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/03/06/179965/s1200_IMG_2778.jpg[/img]


Actually...the OP is about doing better for current sponsors and attracting new ones.

This thread has gone in a different direction a bit...so mentioning that by doing this it helps the growth.

Really not sure why the original post is hard to understand...it's pretty clear.
3/6/2017 11:30am
Why would a company sponsor a team for $500,000 when they could sponsor the series for the exact same price and have banners hanging all around the stadium, commercials, and even TV segments for the program? Feld steals these sponsors. They also limit certain companies from sponsoring teams/riders, like the 360fly deal for Reedy. Another thing is Feld doesn't let teams sell any merchandise in the pits. That hurts smaller teams and privateers a lot. I raced for a team back in 2013 and we couldn't sell any t-shirts or anything at all to help raise money.

If I were still racing, I would love to hear what you have to say about acquiring sponsors and get some advice from you!
3/6/2017 11:32am
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The main reason....SX and MX is SUCH a different animal. I'm in no way trying to toot my own horn, but I can almost guarantee if...
The main reason....SX and MX is SUCH a different animal. I'm in no way trying to toot my own horn, but I can almost guarantee if you take a digital marketing expert that has zero knowledge of the sport they won't come up with the same strategies that I would. I'm 39 and have followed this sport closely since I was five.

Large marketing agencies will take a deal like this all day, but without knowing how the sport operates and all its little quirks, their results won't be as good as they could be. Most see the "fee" and will do the bare minimal to make the client (in this case the race team) keep paying their retainer.

Pair an open minded pro team with someone that knows the sport inside and out and has a marketing mind that works 24/7 and thinks outside the box and amazing things can happen.

With that being said, if a TLD KTM or Rockstar Husky level team is interested, I'd be more than happy to give my time and input...for free. I love this sport and want to see teams succeed. More than willing to do my part to make sure that happens.
I hate to say it but if you would give away your expert input for "free" than I doubt what you could do for them would help. They pay professionals to handle advertising and the fan experience and do a pretty good job considering how much the sport has already changes over the last 30 years, I think it has grown larger than it ever should have because it is such a small sport.
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3/6/2017 11:35am
MDM wrote:
Actually...the OP is about doing better for current sponsors and attracting new ones. This thread has gone in a different direction a bit...so mentioning that by...
Actually...the OP is about doing better for current sponsors and attracting new ones.

This thread has gone in a different direction a bit...so mentioning that by doing this it helps the growth.

Really not sure why the original post is hard to understand...it's pretty clear.
Just because its easy to understand doesn't mean it's going to change anything.
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3/6/2017 11:42am Edited Date/Time 3/6/2017 11:45am
MDM wrote:
The main reason....SX and MX is SUCH a different animal. I'm in no way trying to toot my own horn, but I can almost guarantee if...
The main reason....SX and MX is SUCH a different animal. I'm in no way trying to toot my own horn, but I can almost guarantee if you take a digital marketing expert that has zero knowledge of the sport they won't come up with the same strategies that I would. I'm 39 and have followed this sport closely since I was five.

Large marketing agencies will take a deal like this all day, but without knowing how the sport operates and all its little quirks, their results won't be as good as they could be. Most see the "fee" and will do the bare minimal to make the client (in this case the race team) keep paying their retainer.

Pair an open minded pro team with someone that knows the sport inside and out and has a marketing mind that works 24/7 and thinks outside the box and amazing things can happen.

With that being said, if a TLD KTM or Rockstar Husky level team is interested, I'd be more than happy to give my time and input...for free. I love this sport and want to see teams succeed. More than willing to do my part to make sure that happens.
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I hate to say it but if you would give away your expert input for "free" than I doubt what you could do for them would...
I hate to say it but if you would give away your expert input for "free" than I doubt what you could do for them would help. They pay professionals to handle advertising and the fan experience and do a pretty good job considering how much the sport has already changes over the last 30 years, I think it has grown larger than it ever should have because it is such a small sport.
Something is starting to smell fishy. Like 4arm spray, KW posts, Ryno scams. New poster, selling something that he says he isnt selling, has new posters get on and praise ideas and asks baited questions for the reply to explain further and keep the thread visible. All the while, never really getting to any tangible answers.

If Im wrong, I will apologize.
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3/6/2017 11:46am
MDM wrote:
I started this thread to point out that many teams are missing a lot of opportunities. So, because of the state the sport is in, wouldn't...
I started this thread to point out that many teams are missing a lot of opportunities.

So, because of the state the sport is in, wouldn't it be wise for them to maximize every single opportunity available to deliver the biggest return to the sponsor in an effort to retain them and hopefully attract more?
MDM wrote:
EXACTLY! Thank you.
Did you forget what you wrote?
3/6/2017 11:49am Edited Date/Time 3/6/2017 12:22pm
MDM wrote:
There are plenty of companies that "make sense" (and have the money)... The "deal" just needs to be packaged right. Just to throw something else out...
There are plenty of companies that "make sense" (and have the money)...

The "deal" just needs to be packaged right.

Just to throw something else out there...

Let's take a look at the KTM factory riders (Ryan Dungey, Marvin and Trey) Social media following:

Ryan Dungey:
Instagram - 785k
Twitter - 248K
Facebook - 998k

Marvin:
Instagram - 296k
Twitter - 77k
Facebook - 195k

Trey:
Instagram - 259k
Twitter - 120k
Facebook - 460k

This is a grand total of nearly 3.5 MILLION social followers between the 3 riders on this team.

This is a HUGE value, to both industry sponsors and outside sponsors that I can promise isn't being leveraged the way it could be.

There is so much that could be done. So much! Potential that nobody even knows exists...
Here's where book-smart and common sense aren't shared. Book-smart says 3.5 million followers by the numbers, right? WRONG! And you already know why. For argument, lets simplify...most people out there have a Facebook, Instagram, AND Twitter account. So chances are 1 person is following 1 rider on 3 pieces of social media (that's 3 followers?) NO. That same person is possibly following the whole team. (So you count 9 people) when its only 1 follower. I know there's some people who don't have all 3 social media accounts. But you can't add all those together assuming all those people only have that account following someone. I can't say that I know the correct number but you would have to make sure there aren't any duplicates. IF you can get that number then you actually know what you are projecting for your value. Unless you WANT TO use false numbers so you can get your fat paycheck and funding you need for your marketing project. That's why marketing is BS. Nothing calculates correctly.
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Something is starting to smell fishy. Like 4arm spray, KW posts, Ryno scams. New poster, selling something that he says he isnt selling, has new posters...
Something is starting to smell fishy. Like 4arm spray, KW posts, Ryno scams. New poster, selling something that he says he isnt selling, has new posters get on and praise ideas and asks baited questions for the reply to explain further and keep the thread visible. All the while, never really getting to any tangible answers.

If Im wrong, I will apologize.
Lol not selling anything. This thread has gotten so off track. Anyway, feel free to discuss if you want...if not let this die.
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MDM wrote:
I started this thread to point out that many teams are missing a lot of opportunities. So, because of the state the sport is in, wouldn't...
I started this thread to point out that many teams are missing a lot of opportunities.

So, because of the state the sport is in, wouldn't it be wise for them to maximize every single opportunity available to deliver the biggest return to the sponsor in an effort to retain them and hopefully attract more?
MDM wrote:
EXACTLY! Thank you.
MR. X wrote:
Did you forget what you wrote?
No, but it turned into a "the sport will never grow" thread. But the way you handle sponsor engagement etc impacts growth.
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MDM wrote:
EXACTLY! Thank you.
MR. X wrote:
Did you forget what you wrote?
MDM wrote:
No, but it turned into a "the sport will never grow" thread. But the way you handle sponsor engagement etc impacts growth.
MX hasn't grown.

MX is a participant sport not a spectator sport. It will never be NASCAR. The only people who push for that are looking to line their own pockets to the detriment of the sport.

Want to grow MX? Make it more accessible to participants & families.

We are riding gas powered machines over piles of dirt. Most people cannot and never will relate.

$5k mini bikes and $100 in gate fee race days for a few minutes of riding on poorly built tracks will never grow the sport long term.

Have the teams get some lobbyists at both a state and federal level to get some landowner protection like equestrian facilities have would be a great start but won't ever happen as it's too far removed from immediate gratification that drives this sport.

Yes, not quite what your original post is about but the whole "growing the sport" NASCAR" references get old after awhile.................

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