16 KTM 350 SXF, getting more juice

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11/28/2016 5:41am
Moto810 wrote:
I have a 16 350 SXF with a Thumper Racing 380 big bore kit in it and DCR cams. That combo gives the bikes the right...
I have a 16 350 SXF with a Thumper Racing 380 big bore kit in it and DCR cams. That combo gives the bikes the right amount of power. It moves the power down into the RPMs so that you don't have to rev it so high to get the HP out of it. I am able to run a gear higher and lug the bike without having to clutch it out of corners. The handling of the bike did not change and still feels light.
That's the kit I'm thinking on getting. Are the cams a must or can I just go 380 kit ?
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11/28/2016 9:46am
I had the DCR cams prior to the big bore kit so I can't say for sure. I would do the 380 kit first. I do have a V10 ecu that I run a 5% richer map on and it works great with the kit.
11/28/2016 11:49am
how are the 350´s holding up ? how many hours does you guys have on them ? engine service the same as a 450 or more like a 250f ?
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11/28/2016 1:57pm
My 350 has 42 hours. Not touched yet. It sometimes doesn't start unless I crack the throttle. I guess the tps needs attention.

250 2 stroke vs 350 torque, not sure maybe similar.

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11/28/2016 2:00pm
Yes I too considered putting money into my 350 motor. Gratefully I had enough money hanging around to buy another bike. Putting money into engines is poor investment. But one needs to do what one needs to do.
11/28/2016 2:17pm
Tonynz wrote:
I got 101 mph out of my 2016 350 SXF, on Friday night at NZ beach racing Champs, 1 mile track, 1/2 mile up 1/2 mile...
I got 101 mph out of my 2016 350 SXF, on Friday night at NZ beach racing Champs, 1 mile track, 1/2 mile up 1/2 mile back. 40T rear sprocket.

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We built a husky 350 that just won the the baja 1000 limited pro class this year that hit an indicated 103 on gps on the dry lake bed.

It started life as the FE model (2016) which is the old gen motor, top mounted fuel injector, and only made 45 hp in stock form!

The new mx models with proper gearing should do around 105 stock

We have developed a heavily modifed head for the 350 that improves power everywhere but most importantly adds great power to midrange and peak torque.

The other mod I suggest is the twin air throttle body kit with the sleeve installed. This helps the low and mid a good bit too.

The ktm is designed with a large port, big valves, short stroke, big bore so it will never be truly an "xr400-650" type motor. the air speed in the port is just too lazy until piston speed picks up. Our port helps this hugely...but unless yamaha or kawi decided to make their version of a 350 with a smaller bore, longer stroke and smaller port you will never quite find the 450 esque 350 you want.

The other solution is run an aftermarket ignition, raise the rev limit 1000 rpm, go up 2 teeth, scream its lungs out and replace parts often
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11/28/2016 3:36pm
Tonynz wrote:
I got 101 mph out of my 2016 350 SXF, on Friday night at NZ beach racing Champs, 1 mile track, 1/2 mile up 1/2 mile...
I got 101 mph out of my 2016 350 SXF, on Friday night at NZ beach racing Champs, 1 mile track, 1/2 mile up 1/2 mile back. 40T rear sprocket.

Was the legend, Burt Munro there on his Indian?
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11/28/2016 3:55pm
I know I will buy a 16 KX450.... so why do I keep reading these KTM 350 threads. I have only ridden 2 stroke 250s for the past 20 years and can still scream mine to sort of keep up, I am just afraid I will get on the 450 and be overwhelmed with the power and handling.... or am I just being a miss Polly prissy pants about this?
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11/28/2016 4:18pm
bvm111 wrote:
I know I will buy a 16 KX450.... so why do I keep reading these KTM 350 threads. I have only ridden 2 stroke 250s for...
I know I will buy a 16 KX450.... so why do I keep reading these KTM 350 threads. I have only ridden 2 stroke 250s for the past 20 years and can still scream mine to sort of keep up, I am just afraid I will get on the 450 and be overwhelmed with the power and handling.... or am I just being a miss Polly prissy pants about this?
It's a good concern, buying a bike and not liking it is a huge disappointment. I personally can't believe how much difference between the 14 yz450 and 16 Ktm450

Here's the.deal, the 450 isn't scary, the power is usually extremely controllable. I am a smaller guy and never had too much power issues, ever. It's actually quite enjoyable. I love the 450 tractor like power

Woods riding or tight tracks you're gonna feel a big difference. It's a pain riding a bigger bore in tight quarters.

Last year I did a KTM ride day. I went from tiny 125 to big 450 in succession At the time I was racing the kx250f. Naturally I felt most comfortable on the 250sx and 350sxf. The 450 felt too big and powerful.

Then I got the 350, then I got the 450.

If you get a 450, you WILL go through an adjustment period . It may be 5 minutes, it may be several hours. Going from 350 to 450 was 5 minutes.

Im sure though, once you get used to it you're gonna like it.


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11/28/2016 4:37pm
Tonynz wrote:
I got 101 mph out of my 2016 350 SXF, on Friday night at NZ beach racing Champs, 1 mile track, 1/2 mile up 1/2 mile...
I got 101 mph out of my 2016 350 SXF, on Friday night at NZ beach racing Champs, 1 mile track, 1/2 mile up 1/2 mile back. 40T rear sprocket.

tempura wrote:
Was the legend, Burt Munro there on his Indian?
Burt passed away in 1978, His Indian was there.
Isle of Man TT star Guy Martin was competing as well as scott_nz
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11/28/2016 5:10pm
Let's face it, every vet rider would be faster on a 350 than a 450. Right? Anyone who says "it depends" can lick my nuts.
But love my 16 KTM 450. Going to demo a 350 this Friday. I've ridden an older 350 and was impressed with it. I plan on picking up a used one next year and doing some mods. Curious what the cross-over point is with money dumped into a 350 vs a stock engine and exhaust 450.
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11/28/2016 6:37pm
RCMXracing wrote:
Let's face it, every vet rider would be faster on a 350 than a 450. Right? Anyone who says "it depends" can lick my nuts. But...
Let's face it, every vet rider would be faster on a 350 than a 450. Right? Anyone who says "it depends" can lick my nuts.
But love my 16 KTM 450. Going to demo a 350 this Friday. I've ridden an older 350 and was impressed with it. I plan on picking up a used one next year and doing some mods. Curious what the cross-over point is with money dumped into a 350 vs a stock engine and exhaust 450.
..don't know about faster, but I'd bet every vet would have a bigger smile after a long moto on the 350-
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11/29/2016 2:40pm
RCMXracing wrote:
Let's face it, every vet rider would be faster on a 350 than a 450. Right? Anyone who says "it depends" can lick my nuts. But...
Let's face it, every vet rider would be faster on a 350 than a 450. Right? Anyone who says "it depends" can lick my nuts.
But love my 16 KTM 450. Going to demo a 350 this Friday. I've ridden an older 350 and was impressed with it. I plan on picking up a used one next year and doing some mods. Curious what the cross-over point is with money dumped into a 350 vs a stock engine and exhaust 450.
..don't know about faster, but I'd bet every vet would have a bigger smile after a long moto on the 350-
I have had the 2011 350, 2014 CRF 450, and the 2016 350. There is a clear difference in the bikes. The power of the 450 is very nice but trying to throw that bike around is difficult. When the 450 gets crazy it feels like the rider is just along for the ride. The 350 though feels more like the rider is in control even when the bike gets a little crazy. I am able to ride the 350 longer faster without getting arm pump. I will say the KTM forks are just bad! It is a trade off for sure. If Honda made a 350 I think that would be a good bike.
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11/29/2016 5:50pm
I'll most likely be purchasing Dereks 370 kit when it's ready . It's winter here so I've got some down time
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10/26/2018 4:58pm Edited Date/Time 10/26/2018 4:59pm
Any big bore updates????
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10/28/2018 10:38am
Titan1 wrote:
You could always put a 450SX head on it...like how all those 250SX riders, put a 300XC head on it for more power.

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Does that work?
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10/28/2018 12:49pm
Titan1 wrote:
You could always put a 450SX head on it...like how all those 250SX riders, put a 300XC head on it for more power.

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Edd71 wrote:
Does that work?
I don’t think the 450 head would work. I think a 250SXF to 350sxf could possible work?
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10/28/2018 2:03pm
Dan Crower got 63 hp out of my 350. It rips but still handles like a smaller bike. Pulls 450s easy
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10/28/2018 2:27pm
swatdoc wrote:
Dan Crower got 63 hp out of my 350. It rips but still handles like a smaller bike. Pulls 450s easy
Do you have any more info on what all he did to your motor to get that kind of hp
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10/28/2018 4:57pm Edited Date/Time 10/28/2018 5:01pm
Sure Ben - his cams, extrude-honed Head, Vortex or GET ignition, HCG pipe, and MR12 gas

It definitely doesn’t have the torque of a 450, but to me that’s a good thing - I’m less likely to get in trouble inadvertently. Still can ride the whole track in 3rd gear if I want - the Rekluse helps with that. However when I need the power, like on the start or up a hill like Glen Helen, it’s there in abundance
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10/28/2018 6:32pm
ADjusted the tps on my 17, makes a big difference.
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swatdoc wrote:
Sure Ben - his cams, extrude-honed Head, Vortex or GET ignition, HCG pipe, and MR12 gas It definitely doesn’t have the torque of a 450, but...
Sure Ben - his cams, extrude-honed Head, Vortex or GET ignition, HCG pipe, and MR12 gas

It definitely doesn’t have the torque of a 450, but to me that’s a good thing - I’m less likely to get in trouble inadvertently. Still can ride the whole track in 3rd gear if I want - the Rekluse helps with that. However when I need the power, like on the start or up a hill like Glen Helen, it’s there in abundance
I assume it was his race cams that were used not just the oem re-grind on the exhaust cams he offers? He said the oem re-grinds are like a 2hp gain for $190
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10/29/2018 11:11am
That is correct Ben
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I have a 2016 Husqvarna FC 350, with ~65 hours. No issues with it, just want more power, and to move it down in the low and midrange. I want to go the big bore route, with stock cams. I'm trying to figure out if I am going to go with the Cylinder Works 365 kit, or the Thumper Racing 380 kit. I am going to have the head ported amidst of the cylinder kit.

I'd like to hear more from people who have gone the big bore route. Any feedback would be appreciated.

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