Great Amateurs, Horrible Pros: Nico Izzi (Video Title)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o007jPMCXPU

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I predict this will go very well.
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And...terrible title.
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GuyB wrote:
And...terrible title.
I was thinking the same. The video was pretty cool. The title was dumb.

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Dude has had a brutal pro career. I send some prayers up for him to be healthy and happy.
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jpmoney57 11/2/2016 10:11am
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Great video. Such a shame with such a huge a career on the horizon only to have horrific injurys destroy the success he should of had
TriRacer27 11/2/2016 10:40am
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This is a brutal sport that can make people dreams as easily as it can crush them. Amateur success doesn't guarantee anything.

The sad thing about this though is that, given how much more probable it is that a kid doesn't make it, we act surprised when someone doesn't make it and there is no thought given to a plan B, or even a support structure for those who don't make it.
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Cool video but 441 Moto is kind of a shady deal in my eyes. They steal footage from other peoples videos and then stitch it all together. Then they make money off of youtube's ads while using footage they had no hand in creating. Doesn't seem cool to me
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Cool video but 441 Moto is kind of a shady deal in my eyes. They steal footage from other peoples videos and then stitch it all...
Cool video but 441 Moto is kind of a shady deal in my eyes. They steal footage from other peoples videos and then stitch it all together. Then they make money off of youtube's ads while using footage they had no hand in creating. Doesn't seem cool to me
Well it depends if the video is monetized I think. He may not run ads
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Cool video but 441 Moto is kind of a shady deal in my eyes. They steal footage from other peoples videos and then stitch it all...
Cool video but 441 Moto is kind of a shady deal in my eyes. They steal footage from other peoples videos and then stitch it all together. Then they make money off of youtube's ads while using footage they had no hand in creating. Doesn't seem cool to me
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Cool video but 441 Moto is kind of a shady deal in my eyes. They steal footage from other peoples videos and then stitch it all...
Cool video but 441 Moto is kind of a shady deal in my eyes. They steal footage from other peoples videos and then stitch it all together. Then they make money off of youtube's ads while using footage they had no hand in creating. Doesn't seem cool to me
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Cool video but 441 Moto is kind of a shady deal in my eyes. They steal footage from other peoples videos and then stitch it all...
Cool video but 441 Moto is kind of a shady deal in my eyes. They steal footage from other peoples videos and then stitch it all together. Then they make money off of youtube's ads while using footage they had no hand in creating. Doesn't seem cool to me
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he very well could be making money, it just depends if anyone who's footage he steals is able to identify it and claim it.... music is easily done but actual video segments are slightly harder and usually require a high level youtube network channel organisation to automate the search process.... if one of those companies were to flag it, chances are the video would get removed, rather than allow it to be online

which is why i think he probably is making money from it
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This is a brutal sport that can make people dreams as easily as it can crush them. Amateur success doesn't guarantee anything. The sad thing about...
This is a brutal sport that can make people dreams as easily as it can crush them. Amateur success doesn't guarantee anything.

The sad thing about this though is that, given how much more probable it is that a kid doesn't make it, we act surprised when someone doesn't make it and there is no thought given to a plan B, or even a support structure for those who don't make it.
Dude, stop. It's no one's responsibility to make sure there's a plan B in his career except himself. If I don't make it in my career there's no one there to provide me with a back up plan. It's the same with absolutely anything. NFL, MLB, NBA golf, soccer, teaching, nursing, laborer, burger flipper it doesn't matter. It's your own responsibility to find a career. Sometimes people choose a career and suck at it or hate it, so the move onto something else.

If I suck at my career Mr. Government isn't going to come along and say here, try this instead.
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If I got laid off tomorrow, mr governemt would pay my unemployment. And I'd be doing 3 track days a week until that shit ran out
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Brock Sellards another one that comes to mind, Hope AC doesn't get added to this list.
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If I got laid off tomorrow, mr governemt would pay my unemployment. And I'd be doing 3 track days a week until that shit ran out
Unless you're fired for intentional misconduct, i.e. breaking the rules or contract. If you're failing drug tests or getting arrested and you get fired you probably won't get unemployment. I could be wrong on that, but either way unemployment dries up. You're expected to get another job if not physically disabled. If Nico can't obtain a professional ride he should get another job. Just like if I go to college and get an engineering degree but can't find a job in that field I should look elsewhere until I can get a job in that field.

Everyone expects hand outs.
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If I got laid off tomorrow, mr governemt would pay my unemployment. And I'd be doing 3 track days a week until that shit ran out
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Unless you're fired for intentional misconduct, i.e. breaking the rules or contract. If you're failing drug tests or getting arrested and you get fired you probably...
Unless you're fired for intentional misconduct, i.e. breaking the rules or contract. If you're failing drug tests or getting arrested and you get fired you probably won't get unemployment. I could be wrong on that, but either way unemployment dries up. You're expected to get another job if not physically disabled. If Nico can't obtain a professional ride he should get another job. Just like if I go to college and get an engineering degree but can't find a job in that field I should look elsewhere until I can get a job in that field.

Everyone expects hand outs.
It's the poor me entitled society.
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Opioid pain killers are no joke. Millions of people each year become addicted to painkillers prescribed by doctors. Nicco's story is no exception and anyone reading this who lived his pro career and injuries he suffered could easily find themselves in the same situation. Often times it takes people a year of sobriety to be symptom free from the side effects of quitting a severe opioid addiction. I've also heard from psychiatrist I work with say they have seen people perminately depressed after sever opioid abuse. Many doctors hand those pills out like candy, which is part of America's narcotic painkiller epidemic.

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Hank_Thrill wrote:
Opioid pain killers are no joke. Millions of people each year become addicted to painkillers prescribed by doctors. Nicco's story is no exception and anyone reading...
Opioid pain killers are no joke. Millions of people each year become addicted to painkillers prescribed by doctors. Nicco's story is no exception and anyone reading this who lived his pro career and injuries he suffered could easily find themselves in the same situation. Often times it takes people a year of sobriety to be symptom free from the side effects of quitting a severe opioid addiction. I've also heard from psychiatrist I work with say they have seen people perminately depressed after sever opioid abuse. Many doctors hand those pills out like candy, which is part of America's narcotic painkiller epidemic.
Nicco said in his first interview that the first time he took a pain pill he said this feels good. At that point there is no way out unless you tell your doctor, friends or family and ask for something different. It is not the doctors fault for prescribing an Opioid. A person that becomes addicted to an Opiod has other underlying mental issues that the medication effects in a positive way. At some point the person taking the medication has to be responsible for their actions. Please do not get me wrong I am in no way bagging on Nicco and I wish him the best. I lost an uncle from his addiction to heron and it sucks. My point is blaiming a doctor for prescribing Opioids just wrong.
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Its not the doctors fault. When you have traumatic bone injuries narcotics are the only thing that works for agonizing pain. Now recognizing when pain should be gone is another topic. But when you got someone saying this feels good after the first narc...that's a problem.
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Like many things, those who abuse painkillers have really fucked things up for those who legitimately need them. I suffer from chronic back pain and two years ago had a L5S1 fusion. I feel a lot better but there are some days after I've worked perhaps too much in the yard or played with the kids a bit too rough that I get fairly severe pain. The type of pain that an Advil or anything OTC doesn't touch. It helps being able to have that pain killer in the medicine cabinet when I feel like I need one.

However, that is pretty much impossible now because my doctor refuses to prescribe them to me. Just having to ask for a prescription for them basically comes off like you are some drug addict. So here I sit in a doctors office trying to justify my pain levels and beg for a prescription. And of course he says no. The doctors are being more closely watched and many are not prescribing them because they know they are being watched and don't need that kind of hassle, even if legitimate needs call for the prescription.

As a grown man I feel I have every right to take a strong painkiller when I need to. I absolutely think it's a bunch of BS that I need to explain and justify my pain levels to someone.

So yes, those who abuse them have severely screwed over those who have a legitimate need for them. Someone who wants to abuse painkillers is not stopped by not having a silly doctors note. Much like some of the allergy medications, I think I should be able to go down to the pharmacy and show my ID and be able to buy a certain amount every month.

Sorry for the rant. I just get tired of anyone thinking that regulation of certain drugs doesn't stop the abusers. All it does is make some of us with true chronic pain symptoms, suffer.
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This is a brutal sport that can make people dreams as easily as it can crush them. Amateur success doesn't guarantee anything. The sad thing about...
This is a brutal sport that can make people dreams as easily as it can crush them. Amateur success doesn't guarantee anything.

The sad thing about this though is that, given how much more probable it is that a kid doesn't make it, we act surprised when someone doesn't make it and there is no thought given to a plan B, or even a support structure for those who don't make it.
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Dude, stop. It's no one's responsibility to make sure there's a plan B in his career except himself. If I don't make it in my career...
Dude, stop. It's no one's responsibility to make sure there's a plan B in his career except himself. If I don't make it in my career there's no one there to provide me with a back up plan. It's the same with absolutely anything. NFL, MLB, NBA golf, soccer, teaching, nursing, laborer, burger flipper it doesn't matter. It's your own responsibility to find a career. Sometimes people choose a career and suck at it or hate it, so the move onto something else.

If I suck at my career Mr. Government isn't going to come along and say here, try this instead.
I never mentioned any form of government, or asked you to do anything about it. I agree, it ultimately comes down to the kid but let's remember, they are kids! How much did you worry about things not working out as planned when you were 16? I do think there is a role here for the parents to have a plan B, and a role to be played by the teams in making sure parents understand what they are getting into. Many times teams are enablers of this problem when they basically hire the parents to be full-time coaches, allowing them to pull the kid out of school. This not only makes it harder for the kid to have a plan B based on any sort of education, but even removes any other options for the family as they uproot and restructure all around the family.

All of this happens and then we all act surprised when an amateur star doesn't make it, when really that is more the norm than the exception.

So are you saying Nico picked the wrong career because he sucked at racing? You're joking right?
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Like many things, those who abuse painkillers have really fucked things up for those who legitimately need them. I suffer from chronic back pain and two...
Like many things, those who abuse painkillers have really fucked things up for those who legitimately need them. I suffer from chronic back pain and two years ago had a L5S1 fusion. I feel a lot better but there are some days after I've worked perhaps too much in the yard or played with the kids a bit too rough that I get fairly severe pain. The type of pain that an Advil or anything OTC doesn't touch. It helps being able to have that pain killer in the medicine cabinet when I feel like I need one.

However, that is pretty much impossible now because my doctor refuses to prescribe them to me. Just having to ask for a prescription for them basically comes off like you are some drug addict. So here I sit in a doctors office trying to justify my pain levels and beg for a prescription. And of course he says no. The doctors are being more closely watched and many are not prescribing them because they know they are being watched and don't need that kind of hassle, even if legitimate needs call for the prescription.

As a grown man I feel I have every right to take a strong painkiller when I need to. I absolutely think it's a bunch of BS that I need to explain and justify my pain levels to someone.

So yes, those who abuse them have severely screwed over those who have a legitimate need for them. Someone who wants to abuse painkillers is not stopped by not having a silly doctors note. Much like some of the allergy medications, I think I should be able to go down to the pharmacy and show my ID and be able to buy a certain amount every month.

Sorry for the rant. I just get tired of anyone thinking that regulation of certain drugs doesn't stop the abusers. All it does is make some of us with true chronic pain symptoms, suffer.
You could also say its the years and years of doctors negligently prescribing opoids that screwed it up for you as well. Dig a little deeper and you could blame it on the fact that their med schooling never accurately laid out the ramifications of overly prescribing opoids. There should have been limitations set in place years ago before this became a national problem.

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Bad choices aside, it's good to remember that the faster you get the more likely you are to lose. Big jump to the pros from an amateur career.
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TXDirt wrote:
Like many things, those who abuse painkillers have really fucked things up for those who legitimately need them. I suffer from chronic back pain and two...
Like many things, those who abuse painkillers have really fucked things up for those who legitimately need them. I suffer from chronic back pain and two years ago had a L5S1 fusion. I feel a lot better but there are some days after I've worked perhaps too much in the yard or played with the kids a bit too rough that I get fairly severe pain. The type of pain that an Advil or anything OTC doesn't touch. It helps being able to have that pain killer in the medicine cabinet when I feel like I need one.

However, that is pretty much impossible now because my doctor refuses to prescribe them to me. Just having to ask for a prescription for them basically comes off like you are some drug addict. So here I sit in a doctors office trying to justify my pain levels and beg for a prescription. And of course he says no. The doctors are being more closely watched and many are not prescribing them because they know they are being watched and don't need that kind of hassle, even if legitimate needs call for the prescription.

As a grown man I feel I have every right to take a strong painkiller when I need to. I absolutely think it's a bunch of BS that I need to explain and justify my pain levels to someone.

So yes, those who abuse them have severely screwed over those who have a legitimate need for them. Someone who wants to abuse painkillers is not stopped by not having a silly doctors note. Much like some of the allergy medications, I think I should be able to go down to the pharmacy and show my ID and be able to buy a certain amount every month.

Sorry for the rant. I just get tired of anyone thinking that regulation of certain drugs doesn't stop the abusers. All it does is make some of us with true chronic pain symptoms, suffer.
kawirider819 wrote:
You could also say its the years and years of doctors negligently prescribing opoids that screwed it up for you as well. Dig a little deeper...
You could also say its the years and years of doctors negligently prescribing opoids that screwed it up for you as well. Dig a little deeper and you could blame it on the fact that their med schooling never accurately laid out the ramifications of overly prescribing opoids. There should have been limitations set in place years ago before this became a national problem.

I don't disagree with you. I would not be surprised to learn that 7/10 who supposedly get hooked on prescription painkillers have previously abused some from of illicit drugs before. Some people have addictive personalities as well. If it's not painkillers then it's weed. If not weed then it's alcohol. Etc.

I'm against pretty much all drug laws. I believe in personal responsibility. I don't believe I should be punished and made to live in chronic pain because other people don't read and follow the directions on their prescription bottle.
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TXDirt wrote:
Like many things, those who abuse painkillers have really fucked things up for those who legitimately need them. I suffer from chronic back pain and two...
Like many things, those who abuse painkillers have really fucked things up for those who legitimately need them. I suffer from chronic back pain and two years ago had a L5S1 fusion. I feel a lot better but there are some days after I've worked perhaps too much in the yard or played with the kids a bit too rough that I get fairly severe pain. The type of pain that an Advil or anything OTC doesn't touch. It helps being able to have that pain killer in the medicine cabinet when I feel like I need one.

However, that is pretty much impossible now because my doctor refuses to prescribe them to me. Just having to ask for a prescription for them basically comes off like you are some drug addict. So here I sit in a doctors office trying to justify my pain levels and beg for a prescription. And of course he says no. The doctors are being more closely watched and many are not prescribing them because they know they are being watched and don't need that kind of hassle, even if legitimate needs call for the prescription.

As a grown man I feel I have every right to take a strong painkiller when I need to. I absolutely think it's a bunch of BS that I need to explain and justify my pain levels to someone.

So yes, those who abuse them have severely screwed over those who have a legitimate need for them. Someone who wants to abuse painkillers is not stopped by not having a silly doctors note. Much like some of the allergy medications, I think I should be able to go down to the pharmacy and show my ID and be able to buy a certain amount every month.

Sorry for the rant. I just get tired of anyone thinking that regulation of certain drugs doesn't stop the abusers. All it does is make some of us with true chronic pain symptoms, suffer.
They should of never prescribed them to all the Joe shmos that came in for a back ache or soar foot.
Now get back UP on your horse.
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TriRacer27 wrote:
This is a brutal sport that can make people dreams as easily as it can crush them. Amateur success doesn't guarantee anything. The sad thing about...
This is a brutal sport that can make people dreams as easily as it can crush them. Amateur success doesn't guarantee anything.

The sad thing about this though is that, given how much more probable it is that a kid doesn't make it, we act surprised when someone doesn't make it and there is no thought given to a plan B, or even a support structure for those who don't make it.
agn5009 wrote:
Dude, stop. It's no one's responsibility to make sure there's a plan B in his career except himself. If I don't make it in my career...
Dude, stop. It's no one's responsibility to make sure there's a plan B in his career except himself. If I don't make it in my career there's no one there to provide me with a back up plan. It's the same with absolutely anything. NFL, MLB, NBA golf, soccer, teaching, nursing, laborer, burger flipper it doesn't matter. It's your own responsibility to find a career. Sometimes people choose a career and suck at it or hate it, so the move onto something else.

If I suck at my career Mr. Government isn't going to come along and say here, try this instead.
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I never mentioned any form of government, or asked you to do anything about it. I agree, it ultimately comes down to the kid but let's...
I never mentioned any form of government, or asked you to do anything about it. I agree, it ultimately comes down to the kid but let's remember, they are kids! How much did you worry about things not working out as planned when you were 16? I do think there is a role here for the parents to have a plan B, and a role to be played by the teams in making sure parents understand what they are getting into. Many times teams are enablers of this problem when they basically hire the parents to be full-time coaches, allowing them to pull the kid out of school. This not only makes it harder for the kid to have a plan B based on any sort of education, but even removes any other options for the family as they uproot and restructure all around the family.

All of this happens and then we all act surprised when an amateur star doesn't make it, when really that is more the norm than the exception.

So are you saying Nico picked the wrong career because he sucked at racing? You're joking right?
Do you expect your employer to provide you with a back up plan? Of course not. Its not the teams responsibility. This is a business, they employ these riders for financial gain just like any other business. I will agree with you it's up to the person and their parents to implement a plan B.

I went to college at 18. That's not much older than a 16 year old turning pro. If my college degree doesn't work out for me in the real world then it's my responsibility to make money another way. It's not the college's nor my former employers problem.

I'm absolutely not saying Nico wasn't fast enough to go pro. Obviously he was. What I'm saying is it didn't work out for him, and that sucks. But don't expect his former teams to provide him with a plan B. That's for him to figure out. He's in his mid to late 20's now. He's an adult and has no one to blame but himself.

My whole point isn't to bash Nico. He had some terrible stuff happen to him and became addicted to drugs which ultimately caused him to get arrested. But we can't fault anyone but Nico (and maybe parents). Dont fault his former teams or this sport.

Take this into consideration. Where do you think Dungey would be right now if racing hadn't worked out? I would be willing to bet he would be fine. Sure, he probably wouldn't be a multi millionaire but I'm willing to bet he would be doing fine in life. It's all about life choices and parenting.

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