That amateur race two at MEC

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Erm the first corner. Was it me or did someone literally cartwheel off the track in the first corner? At that speed it looked brutal. Are they ok?
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ML512 10/16/2016 9:32pm
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It was Mitchell Falk, race one winner. He jumped up and ran back to his bike, but pulled off after a lap or so. I heard he may have broke his collarbone.
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colintrax 10/16/2016 9:39pm
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ML512 wrote:
It was Mitchell Falk, race one winner. He jumped up and ran back to his bike, but pulled off after a lap or so. I heard...
It was Mitchell Falk, race one winner. He jumped up and ran back to his bike, but pulled off after a lap or so. I heard he may have broke his collarbone.
He posted on instagram it's broken, so we can stamp that.
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bvm111 10/16/2016 9:48pm
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ML512 wrote:
It was Mitchell Falk, race one winner. He jumped up and ran back to his bike, but pulled off after a lap or so. I heard...
It was Mitchell Falk, race one winner. He jumped up and ran back to his bike, but pulled off after a lap or so. I heard he may have broke his collarbone.
Michael, What about no red flag for 259 being knocked out cold and blocking the entire track for what seemed like the first 3 laps while medical personnel were tending to him. I was in the section right where it happened and we were all shouting at the AMA official standing right in front of us to red flag and he seemed to be confused as to what to do. I am not a throw the red flag when a rider tips over kind of guy but this seemed like a situation where it was warranted for the saftery of the downed rider, medical crew and to those still riding.... any insight or was I being overly sensitive???
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Grieby54 10/17/2016 4:25am
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ML512 wrote:
It was Mitchell Falk, race one winner. He jumped up and ran back to his bike, but pulled off after a lap or so. I heard...
It was Mitchell Falk, race one winner. He jumped up and ran back to his bike, but pulled off after a lap or so. I heard he may have broke his collarbone.
bvm111 wrote:
Michael, What about no red flag for 259 being knocked out cold and blocking the entire track for what seemed like the first 3 laps while...
Michael, What about no red flag for 259 being knocked out cold and blocking the entire track for what seemed like the first 3 laps while medical personnel were tending to him. I was in the section right where it happened and we were all shouting at the AMA official standing right in front of us to red flag and he seemed to be confused as to what to do. I am not a throw the red flag when a rider tips over kind of guy but this seemed like a situation where it was warranted for the saftery of the downed rider, medical crew and to those still riding.... any insight or was I being overly sensitive???
We were sitting in that area too and my wife and I were appalled that they didn't red flag it. Best guess is that they were more concerned about the TV schedule than the rider.

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huck 10/17/2016 6:06am
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ML512 wrote:
It was Mitchell Falk, race one winner. He jumped up and ran back to his bike, but pulled off after a lap or so. I heard...
It was Mitchell Falk, race one winner. He jumped up and ran back to his bike, but pulled off after a lap or so. I heard he may have broke his collarbone.
bvm111 wrote:
Michael, What about no red flag for 259 being knocked out cold and blocking the entire track for what seemed like the first 3 laps while...
Michael, What about no red flag for 259 being knocked out cold and blocking the entire track for what seemed like the first 3 laps while medical personnel were tending to him. I was in the section right where it happened and we were all shouting at the AMA official standing right in front of us to red flag and he seemed to be confused as to what to do. I am not a throw the red flag when a rider tips over kind of guy but this seemed like a situation where it was warranted for the saftery of the downed rider, medical crew and to those still riding.... any insight or was I being overly sensitive???
Considering the rider got up and walked away, I'd say the officials made the right call.
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Awood 10/17/2016 6:17am
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ML512 wrote:
It was Mitchell Falk, race one winner. He jumped up and ran back to his bike, but pulled off after a lap or so. I heard...
It was Mitchell Falk, race one winner. He jumped up and ran back to his bike, but pulled off after a lap or so. I heard he may have broke his collarbone.
bvm111 wrote:
Michael, What about no red flag for 259 being knocked out cold and blocking the entire track for what seemed like the first 3 laps while...
Michael, What about no red flag for 259 being knocked out cold and blocking the entire track for what seemed like the first 3 laps while medical personnel were tending to him. I was in the section right where it happened and we were all shouting at the AMA official standing right in front of us to red flag and he seemed to be confused as to what to do. I am not a throw the red flag when a rider tips over kind of guy but this seemed like a situation where it was warranted for the saftery of the downed rider, medical crew and to those still riding.... any insight or was I being overly sensitive???
He was on his feet about a foot from the side of the track (between the lanes, but still) when the leaders came by for lap 2. Throw a bike out, a bunch of flaggers and maybe a hay bale for visibility, but i think they made the correct decision and think it would have been a mistake to red flag.

Also nice to see correct use of medical flag and yellow flag for laps 1 and 2 respectively, its frustrating in SX where they throw out the cross flag for every tip over.
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thehenk 10/17/2016 6:36am
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i thought the leader macedoo or what is name was, didn't roll one of the jumps and would get set back
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dsmith 10/17/2016 8:01am
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ML512 wrote:
It was Mitchell Falk, race one winner. He jumped up and ran back to his bike, but pulled off after a lap or so. I heard...
It was Mitchell Falk, race one winner. He jumped up and ran back to his bike, but pulled off after a lap or so. I heard he may have broke his collarbone.
that dood tumbled for at least 70 yrds.....
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bvm111 10/17/2016 8:31am
10/17/2016 8:31am Edited Date/Time 10/17/2016 8:35am
ML512 wrote:
It was Mitchell Falk, race one winner. He jumped up and ran back to his bike, but pulled off after a lap or so. I heard...
It was Mitchell Falk, race one winner. He jumped up and ran back to his bike, but pulled off after a lap or so. I heard he may have broke his collarbone.
bvm111 wrote:
Michael, What about no red flag for 259 being knocked out cold and blocking the entire track for what seemed like the first 3 laps while...
Michael, What about no red flag for 259 being knocked out cold and blocking the entire track for what seemed like the first 3 laps while medical personnel were tending to him. I was in the section right where it happened and we were all shouting at the AMA official standing right in front of us to red flag and he seemed to be confused as to what to do. I am not a throw the red flag when a rider tips over kind of guy but this seemed like a situation where it was warranted for the saftery of the downed rider, medical crew and to those still riding.... any insight or was I being overly sensitive???
huck wrote:
Considering the rider got up and walked away, I'd say the officials made the right call.
Huck,

He was motionless for nearly 2 full laps and that lane was AX narrow... what if he wouldn't have wobbled off the track like he did, but, thank god we didn't restart a meaningless amateur all-star race.

I believe in this scenario it would have been prudent to red flag and restart the race and I usually think most red flags are ridiculous.
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ga_pike 10/17/2016 8:33am
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had they thrown the red flag and forced a restart, what would that have done to the holeshot award??
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GuyB 10/17/2016 8:36am
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bvm111 wrote:
Michael, What about no red flag for 259 being knocked out cold and blocking the entire track for what seemed like the first 3 laps while...
Michael, What about no red flag for 259 being knocked out cold and blocking the entire track for what seemed like the first 3 laps while medical personnel were tending to him. I was in the section right where it happened and we were all shouting at the AMA official standing right in front of us to red flag and he seemed to be confused as to what to do. I am not a throw the red flag when a rider tips over kind of guy but this seemed like a situation where it was warranted for the saftery of the downed rider, medical crew and to those still riding.... any insight or was I being overly sensitive???
Did he have a red flag handy? Often I think it's the Alpinestars Medical crew that makes the call, depending on safety and the injuries involved.
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hvaughn88 10/17/2016 8:41am
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Beeby wrote:
Erm the first corner. Was it me or did someone literally cartwheel off the track in the first corner? At that speed it looked brutal. Are...
Erm the first corner. Was it me or did someone literally cartwheel off the track in the first corner? At that speed it looked brutal. Are they ok?
I didn't catch that race, anyone point me in the direction of some footage of the crash?
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Camp332 10/17/2016 9:03am
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I was pissed when I saw local kid Justin Cooper get taken out in moto 2, however karma got the best of the culprit.

The other local Brandon Hartranft had a strong 2nd moto working up to 5th.
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ML512 10/17/2016 9:06am
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bvm111 wrote:
Huck, He was motionless for nearly 2 full laps and that lane was AX narrow... what if he wouldn't have wobbled off the track like he...
Huck,

He was motionless for nearly 2 full laps and that lane was AX narrow... what if he wouldn't have wobbled off the track like he did, but, thank god we didn't restart a meaningless amateur all-star race.

I believe in this scenario it would have been prudent to red flag and restart the race and I usually think most red flags are ridiculous.
I'm good friends with Tallon, so I'm a bit biased but I was annoyed the red flag didn't come out. Especially since many of the kids didn't follow the flag on the ground rule well and were passing in that section.

Tallon was okay when I spoke to him later, sore and still a tad bit loopy, but nothing broken. I forgot to ask him how long he thought he was out, but I noticed he started moving his legs after roughly ten seconds, then his head was rocking around a few seconds later as he tried to roll on his side. So he wasn't KO'd for a terribly long time.
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twotwosix 10/17/2016 9:32am
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All of those kids impressed me! Falk looked really great. Am I the only one who thinks Macadoo needs to chill out a bit on the body english? lol
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FIFIFO 10/17/2016 10:28am
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Camp332 wrote:
I was pissed when I saw local kid Justin Cooper get taken out in moto 2, however karma got the best of the culprit. The other...
I was pissed when I saw local kid Justin Cooper get taken out in moto 2, however karma got the best of the culprit.

The other local Brandon Hartranft had a strong 2nd moto working up to 5th.
Justin had the overall until Cantrell cleaned him out. I just hope that some of these teams took notice that the kid is for real. It's all a learning experience and he'll take a lot of positive from this race. With the right team behind him he can do some damage.
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sc961 10/17/2016 10:33am
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The "side show" races were spectacular this year.

Usually the officials on site have a much better handle on how to handle injuries than spectators in the stands or at home. Give em a break, and understand they have the whole spectrum of detail where we don't..

Huck, you causin trouble again?
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Awood 10/17/2016 10:56am
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sc961 wrote:
The "side show" races were spectacular this year. Usually the officials on site have a much better handle on how to handle injuries than spectators in...
The "side show" races were spectacular this year.

Usually the officials on site have a much better handle on how to handle injuries than spectators in the stands or at home. Give em a break, and understand they have the whole spectrum of detail where we don't..

Huck, you causin trouble again?
agreed on both points.

All stars and Supermini outshined the pro class this year. Super mini for sure!

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muGz.147 10/17/2016 2:05pm
10/17/2016 2:05pm
twotwosix wrote:
All of those kids impressed me! Falk looked really great. Am I the only one who thinks Macadoo needs to chill out a bit on the...
All of those kids impressed me! Falk looked really great. Am I the only one who thinks Macadoo needs to chill out a bit on the body english? lol
That's funny that you say that. I've watched Cameron ride locally since he was a wee lad on 65's...and he has ALWAYS been extremely animated on the motorcycle. His style is a departure from the norm, but if it works for him, and he's flowing (which he clearly was on Saturday night)...so be it.

As a local...it's a really cool thing to see how far he's come. He's a classic case of being laser focused on something that's his dream to be a part of, and completely buying in to the whole package of training, diet, and instruction to hone his craft. He brought Forkner all the way to the end of the race at the Am SX in Daytona...keep an eye on this kid come East Coast SX in 2017.
Captain Kangaroo 10/17/2016 2:07pm
10/17/2016 2:07pm
Tallon ( #259) for 1.5 mins before coming too.2.5 full laps before he stood: there is no one , including Alpinestars Mobile Medical, that can say the situation was safe enough not to red flag.Macadoo continued to race that section of the track because all that was displayed was caution flags.Not his fault: flaggers had no idea what flag to wave and by the time someone made the red flag call, Tallon was coming to. A complete cluster f***k. But ,eyes wide open....it's nothing more than a circus, and the riders are the monkeys! Kudos to all the amazing people in the Mobile Meeical rig: truly passionate and grounded.
JustPuttinAround 10/17/2016 3:21pm
10/17/2016 3:21pm
colintrax wrote:
He posted on instagram it's broken, so we can stamp that.
He posted this too: #littlefalkergoesflying. Laughing Laughing Laughing
Glad he was not hurt worse...that looked a bit like a bad road racing crash!
After winning super minis last year and the first all star moto this year, I thought Mitchell had it in the bag!
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Zaugg 10/17/2016 3:59pm
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I think they should eliminate start straights and rhythm sections because they're clearly dangerous. Woohoo Tongue

BTW...you know how I know the officials made the right call not throwing a red flag...no staff or additional riders were injured. (and the downed rider wasn't injured further.) Food for thought...

johnnypotato123 10/17/2016 4:05pm
10/17/2016 4:05pm
Probably didn't red flag it because imagine the uproar if McAdoo lost the truck because of it.
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muGz.147 wrote:
That's funny that you say that. I've watched Cameron ride locally since he was a wee lad on 65's...and he has ALWAYS been extremely animated on...
That's funny that you say that. I've watched Cameron ride locally since he was a wee lad on 65's...and he has ALWAYS been extremely animated on the motorcycle. His style is a departure from the norm, but if it works for him, and he's flowing (which he clearly was on Saturday night)...so be it.

As a local...it's a really cool thing to see how far he's come. He's a classic case of being laser focused on something that's his dream to be a part of, and completely buying in to the whole package of training, diet, and instruction to hone his craft. He brought Forkner all the way to the end of the race at the Am SX in Daytona...keep an eye on this kid come East Coast SX in 2017.
That whip lookover to the fans on the first lap of the 2nd race was awesome. Id kill to have that style on a bike.
Bronson905 10/17/2016 11:57pm
10/17/2016 11:57pm
Biggest disappointment of the night was Lorenzo Locurcio. Dude is taking Luke Renzland's spot on Cycle Trader/Rock River Yamaha and turning pro in 2017 SX, and got straight up smoked. I respect everyone on the gate for their talents and what they do, but that didn't look good at all. And it was his 3rd or 4th straight year doing the event in the Amateur All-Stars class.
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This sequence is from Racerx..








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Original 44 10/18/2016 4:46am
10/18/2016 4:46am
I hated that downhill start. Nothing like putting them in more danger.
Former member 10/18/2016 5:07am
10/18/2016 5:07am
Support races were Great to watch.

The Red Flag is held by whom and is he the one to make the decision. We had a Red flag at Junior Nats one year it was held by the dumass steward in the tower...he just threw it out onto the track.

I hate red flags but what i hate more is in most australian moto x racing it is held at the finish line
which means riders are racing for another 2 minutes before they realise race is stopped ok some flaggers go onto track and slow them down.
occasionally.
The riders the other night showed complete diregard to the waved yellow and very lucky no further injuries.

I would happily watch the Support races every week as they are the future and solid racing.
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MxRyder 10/18/2016 5:39am
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Raced with Lafountain for the last few years in the intermediate class until he started racing the local TransWorld Aclass....the kid is the absolute class act....im alittle aged but still run 5th-thru 8th with the younger hot shots.... Broke my heart to see him laying like that on the track..and no red flag.....bottom line....a crash that severe on first lap..."red flag the damn thing"...give Macadoo the truck...and drop another gate for god sakes.....somebody could have landed on Tallon......glad hes ok......like to say to all the young men who lined up Great Job....your walking the walk..... TL hope your ok kiddo......rest well and heal fast......Shea357

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