Tim Gajser??

generallee121
Anyone else think he was more than a little lucky to win this years MX1 title?? After watching the SMX Cup it got me thinking, I've followed the mxgp's all year and hes had more than his fair share of big crashes at a lot of races, and was lucky to survive serious injury from more than a couple of them. Also basically every other single, serious competitor for the title this year ended up leaving the series at some point prematurely with an injury. So he basically won this years title through attrition, he wasnt the fastest or best but the rider to be able to make it to the end of the championship. Also Take into consideration last year the same exact thing, he only won the mx2 title because of Herlings injury and you have to wonder how good really is this very young kid? Does he actually deserve these 2 championships and the status and reputation that goes along with them?? Will he be great or has he literally almost lucked into those 2 titles through others misfortunes?? Not saying he isn't good, but 2 titles already good idk? Flame away vital community...
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He lucked into the MX2 title.

This years MXGP title was legit though, he was the fastest and most dominant rider. Yeah he had a few big moments were he could have been injured but he managed to stay healthy. Almost all riders have one or two big ones per season.
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51xc 10/9/2016 10:08pm
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you don't beat a 8 time champion by luck.
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Getndome 10/9/2016 10:17pm
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Edit: I don't like TG243

There I summed up your thread for those who dont want to read all that.
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nytsmaC 10/9/2016 10:31pm
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He wasn't the fastest or the best? What races were you watching?

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generallee121 10/9/2016 10:39pm
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Getndome wrote:
Edit: I don't like TG243

There I summed up your thread for those who dont want to read all that.
no opinion one way or the other actually. Just opening up possible discussion on a message board...
generallee121 10/9/2016 10:45pm
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He wasn't the fastest or the best? What races were you watching?
Umm I watched the entire series and what I stated is pretty clear, this year he was not the fastest or the best at a majority of the rounds. Same thing as last year. Alot of serious championship contenders left early and he was also beaten straight up multiple times. He was very lucky to escape injury on more than a few occasions.
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USMCMXer 10/9/2016 10:46pm
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He won the most motos and the most overalls. I'd say that isn't luck, but it is being the fastest and most consistent, most often. I think that's what they're all trying to achieve, right?
Dialledforlife 10/9/2016 10:49pm
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He was definitely the fastest out there this year. Whenever he got out front, you knew barring a crash, that he'd win.
generallee121 10/9/2016 10:55pm
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He won the most motos and the most overalls. I'd say that isn't luck, but it is being the fastest and most consistent, most often. I...
He won the most motos and the most overalls. I'd say that isn't luck, but it is being the fastest and most consistent, most often. I think that's what they're all trying to achieve, right?
Now this is the type of legitimate argument or response I was looking for. And just looking to open up a conversation with. Thank you touché. And I agree with you pointing out he won the majority of motos and OAs this season, but take into consideration all the injuries to his major competitors not only this season but last as well, and without those and the very lucky fact he wasn't injured in those many crashes, does he still win all those motos and OAs and both the championship last year and this as well??
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nytsmaC 10/9/2016 11:01pm
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He wasn't the fastest or the best? What races were you watching?
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Umm I watched the entire series and what I stated is pretty clear, this year he was not the fastest or the best at a majority...
Umm I watched the entire series and what I stated is pretty clear, this year he was not the fastest or the best at a majority of the rounds. Same thing as last year. Alot of serious championship contenders left early and he was also beaten straight up multiple times. He was very lucky to escape injury on more than a few occasions.
Who do you think was faster and better than him? Looked to me like he trounced everyone more often than not.
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generallee121 wrote:
Umm I watched the entire series and what I stated is pretty clear, this year he was not the fastest or the best at a majority...
Umm I watched the entire series and what I stated is pretty clear, this year he was not the fastest or the best at a majority of the rounds. Same thing as last year. Alot of serious championship contenders left early and he was also beaten straight up multiple times. He was very lucky to escape injury on more than a few occasions.
This is a good example of only remembering what he did at the end of the season. He was not riding as good the last few races. But in the beginning an the middle of the season he was dominating. Febvre was similar speed before he got injured. No one else was close. Stop with this stupid accusations that Gajser did not earn his title.
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Crush 10/9/2016 11:22pm
10/9/2016 11:22pm Edited Date/Time 10/9/2016 11:28pm
I said somewhere here at the start of the season i'd be shocked if he made the full season, dude seriously has 9 lives, but when you're wrong you're wrong. He held it together and got it done and his comp actually had the crashes and injuries.

Perhaps all his bad luck came out at the SMX...
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generallee121 wrote:
Now this is the type of legitimate argument or response I was looking for. And just looking to open up a conversation with. Thank you touché...
Now this is the type of legitimate argument or response I was looking for. And just looking to open up a conversation with. Thank you touché. And I agree with you pointing out he won the majority of motos and OAs this season, but take into consideration all the injuries to his major competitors not only this season but last as well, and without those and the very lucky fact he wasn't injured in those many crashes, does he still win all those motos and OAs and both the championship last year and this as well??
Who were injured? He was beating Febvre before he got injured. Who are you reffering to that was injured that could keep up with his speed?Desalle? Doubt he has anything for Gajser. Cairoli was there the whole season, not 100% healthy at times,but i remember him saying more oftwn than not that Gajser was just to fast for him today.
generallee121 10/9/2016 11:26pm
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Crush wrote:
I said somewhere here at the start of the season i'd be shocked if he made the full season, dude seriously has 9 lives, but when...
I said somewhere here at the start of the season i'd be shocked if he made the full season, dude seriously has 9 lives, but when you're wrong you're wrong. He held it together and got it done and his comp actually had the crashes and injuries.

Perhaps all his bad luck came out at the SMX...
How I feel as well about the season, better expressing it than me lol
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Crush 10/9/2016 11:29pm
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Who were injured? He was beating Febvre before he got injured. Who are you reffering to that was injured that could keep up with his speed?Desalle...
Who were injured? He was beating Febvre before he got injured. Who are you reffering to that was injured that could keep up with his speed?Desalle? Doubt he has anything for Gajser. Cairoli was there the whole season, not 100% healthy at times,but i remember him saying more oftwn than not that Gajser was just to fast for him today.
You can't argue that just because he had the upper hand that it would have definitely stayed that way... That's exactly why they race... I mean last year, Romain crashed but didn't injure himself, this year he did.

Early in the season Febvre was suffering from bad starts more than anything and Cairoli was definitely still recuperating with his arm.

It's not taking anything away from Gasjer, he got it done, but his main comp wasn't there all year either. Part and parcel of MX.
generallee121 10/9/2016 11:33pm
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Now this is the type of legitimate argument or response I was looking for. And just looking to open up a conversation with. Thank you touché...
Now this is the type of legitimate argument or response I was looking for. And just looking to open up a conversation with. Thank you touché. And I agree with you pointing out he won the majority of motos and OAs this season, but take into consideration all the injuries to his major competitors not only this season but last as well, and without those and the very lucky fact he wasn't injured in those many crashes, does he still win all those motos and OAs and both the championship last year and this as well??
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Who were injured? He was beating Febvre before he got injured. Who are you reffering to that was injured that could keep up with his speed?Desalle...
Who were injured? He was beating Febvre before he got injured. Who are you reffering to that was injured that could keep up with his speed?Desalle? Doubt he has anything for Gajser. Cairoli was there the whole season, not 100% healthy at times,but i remember him saying more oftwn than not that Gajser was just to fast for him today.
Febvre, desalle, nagl, Cairoli, Searle, and Simpson. Moto winners. don't think they were all able to contend for the championship but if they were all healthy the entire year were more than able to take away moto wins, points, and OAs and the championship could have played out much differently
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jeffro503 10/9/2016 11:36pm
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I think he earned and deserved that mx1 title. He rode his ass off and on many occasions he was the fastest dude out there. People get injured in title hunts and in the end....the best man is left standing. Tim is a 100% champ in my eyes!
generallee121 10/9/2016 11:36pm
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Sideways wrote:
Who were injured? He was beating Febvre before he got injured. Who are you reffering to that was injured that could keep up with his speed?Desalle...
Who were injured? He was beating Febvre before he got injured. Who are you reffering to that was injured that could keep up with his speed?Desalle? Doubt he has anything for Gajser. Cairoli was there the whole season, not 100% healthy at times,but i remember him saying more oftwn than not that Gajser was just to fast for him today.
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You can't argue that just because he had the upper hand that it would have definitely stayed that way... That's exactly why they race... I mean...
You can't argue that just because he had the upper hand that it would have definitely stayed that way... That's exactly why they race... I mean last year, Romain crashed but didn't injure himself, this year he did.

Early in the season Febvre was suffering from bad starts more than anything and Cairoli was definitely still recuperating with his arm.

It's not taking anything away from Gasjer, he got it done, but his main comp wasn't there all year either. Part and parcel of MX.
Again, perfectly stated thanks lol

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nytsmaC 10/9/2016 11:45pm
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Searle and Simpson? Come on man, you're really grasping at straws here.

The only two names who were capable of taking this championship were Cairoli and Febvre. Gasjer beat them straight up more often than not. How big was his points lead over Febvre before he got hurt?
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Sideways 10/9/2016 11:49pm
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I cant recall a season, either in the US or mxgp where all riders are injuryfree the whole season. I guess every champion was "Lucky" then. Ken Roczen was lucky that Jason Andersson got injured, because he was going to be much faster the 2nd half of the season even though he was beaten by Kroc the first half.. Lucky Ken!

(Yes Gajser was as dominate as Roczen in alot of races this year)
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Bullshit.
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Sideways 10/10/2016 12:01am
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generallee121 wrote:
Febvre, desalle, nagl, Cairoli, Searle, and Simpson. Moto winners. don't think they were all able to contend for the championship but if they were all healthy...
Febvre, desalle, nagl, Cairoli, Searle, and Simpson. Moto winners. don't think they were all able to contend for the championship but if they were all healthy the entire year were more than able to take away moto wins, points, and OAs and the championship could have played out much differently
This is the standings after Round 11 when Febvre was hurt. Everyone you mention is still there. How much was Gajsers lead? stop with the bullshit.

http://results.mxgp.com/mxgp/standings.aspx

Edit: well you cant link the standings, but Gajser lead with 482, febvre with 408, cairoli with 405, Nagl 378,

Everyone was racing round 11. Febvre got injured that race.
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Cortami79 10/10/2016 12:05am
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I see your way of thinking here. But think about this, maybe those guys crashed out because they couldn't match his speed and were riding over the limit?

Febvre for example always had to work from the back while gajser was already gone. That goes with more risks and (possible) crashes. For sure Gajser had some wild crashes, but most of the time he would holeshot or he made 5 moves in 2 laps to get to the lead.
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Sideways wrote:
This is the standings after Round 11 when Febvre was hurt. Everyone you mention is still there. How much was Gajsers lead? stop with the bullshit...
This is the standings after Round 11 when Febvre was hurt. Everyone you mention is still there. How much was Gajsers lead? stop with the bullshit.

http://results.mxgp.com/mxgp/standings.aspx

Edit: well you cant link the standings, but Gajser lead with 482, febvre with 408, cairoli with 405, Nagl 378,

Everyone was racing round 11. Febvre got injured that race.
Gajser had 24 points lead before Febvre got hurt
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kiwifan 10/10/2016 12:08am
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He won a lot of qualifiers and overalls against healthly competition....he deserved the title...to say 'what ifs' is not really a good argument, as Crush says crashes are part of MX, sometimes they get hurt sometimes they dont.

Dungey crashed this year in the Nationals (prior to that KR was kicking his backside, like TG was)...does that mean KR doesnt deserve his title either? No it doesnt.
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Bonanza69 10/10/2016 12:33am
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Hey generallee,
you need this:


EnvyMedia 10/10/2016 1:16am
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Imagine being a world champion and still have people doubting you.
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Jeremy200 10/10/2016 1:17am
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I was thinking the exact opposite to OP.

I think that he has the raw speed to win in the states in mx, and sx with some training. He flat out rips and has amazing style on a bike - reminds me of Kenny.


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Turbojez 10/10/2016 1:18am
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No champion in sport, especially world champion should be referred to as lucky. He was fast as hell and the most consistent of all the riders contending period. Beating 8 time world champ straight up on more than one ocasion is proof enough that he 100% deserves the title more than anyone out there.
Finnish_Flash_62 10/10/2016 1:19am
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Last year in mx2 Herlings may have been faster, but he wasn't there to win the title. This year the only guys that really could challenge him consistently all season were Febvre and Cairoli, but neither was able to be there the whole season. Gajser has had his fare share of big crashes, but these last to seasons he has been able to be there when it has mattered the most. And this year I honestly believe he was the best rider out there in mx1.

I know there has been and will always be this talk that rider X won a championship because rider Z got hurt or whatnot. Reed and Dungey come to mind as guys that have heard many times that they only won when RC, Stewart or RV were hurt. There will always be someone hurt, but it's a part of the sport. You have to be in it to win it.

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