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So we pretty much know what the riders in America make.

And with all this talk about the GP's I started thinking what do the top Euros make?

Like Say Herlings, AC222, Gajser?

What do they make all in or salary or whatever over there?

Just thought it would be interesting to see what the pay compares like to the US.
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We know what the riders in the US make?
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Pit Breier himself commented that Cairoli and Dungey have similar salaries, with Herlings joining that level in his newest contract. Possible earnings could be considered a bit less for the GPs though, as there are more races to chase here for bonuses, and two championships per year to earn a finishing position bonus off of. Instead of one with MXGP (smaller national titles in Europe aren't usually chased for the full season by many GP racers). Also, from what I've heard, gear deals aren't quite as good in the GPs as US, mostly because brands still value SX stars over GP stars for marketing purposes, worldwide.
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Maybe someone from Europe, or just someone with a better multi-country understanding can help me with this question. Outside of Monaco and the Isle of Man, what countries don't collect income tax? And, do any GP riders live in those countries? Similar to how some US riders live in Florida for not only training purposes, but income tax purposes.
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From talking to a few riders that have crossed the pond, the base salaries available for top GP riders is surprisingly very good. Its not necessarily distributed how you would think though. Paulin's Honda contract was enormous, but take someone like a Simpson. You would imagine him to be very desirable to sponsors - English speaking, highly professional, a good role model, wins races and he finished 4th in the world last year. He has a salary way below those he is consistently out performing.

In America the top SX riders are killing it, but after that small group the picture is very different. A significant difference however is that In the US they seem to be more geared towards performance based pay. That means less security from a fixed salary, but given that bonuses from manufacturers (et al) in the US are so much higher (in many cases 4 or 5 times the amount for a GP win with certain brands), a rider can have no base salary in the US and still earn a small fortune providing he can string some successful results together.

I hear US teams are a little more reliable when it comes to paying their riders on time too. Who knows what the complete picture is though.

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I'm no expert in this but switzerland have a low income tax (maximum around 30%). gajser should be pretty lucky as well, they have around 20%. but most eu countries will tax anywhere between 45-55% max.
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I'm just glad more people over here are noticing the GPs and taking an interest. I have little to no interest in SX, so the more MX that's marketed to us, the better IMO.
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I thought I read on here yesterday that the GP riders were paid in sugar by Willy Wonka.
I guess I can't believe everything I read on Vital. Wink
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ML512 wrote:
Maybe someone from Europe, or just someone with a better multi-country understanding can help me with this question. Outside of Monaco and the Isle of Man...
Maybe someone from Europe, or just someone with a better multi-country understanding can help me with this question. Outside of Monaco and the Isle of Man, what countries don't collect income tax? And, do any GP riders live in those countries? Similar to how some US riders live in Florida for not only training purposes, but income tax purposes.
Like you said Florida or Washington state they don't have state income tax. You still pay federal taxes if you live there.

With Monico you pay zero taxes all together! So if you make $200k that's what goes into your bank!

I have a friend who, "lives" in Monico for this reason. His home country tax rate is 50%! So it cost him about $20k to become a Monico Citzen and renting a place is about $4k per month but it's still cheaper than paying taxes. Soooo crazy!
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I thought I read on here yesterday that the GP riders were paid in sugar by Willy Wonka. I guess I can't believe everything I read...
I thought I read on here yesterday that the GP riders were paid in sugar by Willy Wonka.
I guess I can't believe everything I read on Vital. Wink
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ML512 wrote:
Maybe someone from Europe, or just someone with a better multi-country understanding can help me with this question. Outside of Monaco and the Isle of Man...
Maybe someone from Europe, or just someone with a better multi-country understanding can help me with this question. Outside of Monaco and the Isle of Man, what countries don't collect income tax? And, do any GP riders live in those countries? Similar to how some US riders live in Florida for not only training purposes, but income tax purposes.
Stefan Everts and Eric Geboers lived in Monaco. Dunno about the current racers. About AC222 and RD5. I can't believe that RD5, only gets about something around 750k-900k from KTM.
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Stefan Everts and Eric Geboers lived in Monaco. Dunno about the current racers. About AC222 and RD5. I can't believe that RD5, only gets about something...
Stefan Everts and Eric Geboers lived in Monaco. Dunno about the current racers. About AC222 and RD5. I can't believe that RD5, only gets about something around 750k-900k from KTM.
That's because he doesn't... It quite a bit higher than that.
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ML512 wrote:
Maybe someone from Europe, or just someone with a better multi-country understanding can help me with this question. Outside of Monaco and the Isle of Man...
Maybe someone from Europe, or just someone with a better multi-country understanding can help me with this question. Outside of Monaco and the Isle of Man, what countries don't collect income tax? And, do any GP riders live in those countries? Similar to how some US riders live in Florida for not only training purposes, but income tax purposes.
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Stefan Everts and Eric Geboers lived in Monaco. Dunno about the current racers. About AC222 and RD5. I can't believe that RD5, only gets about something...
Stefan Everts and Eric Geboers lived in Monaco. Dunno about the current racers. About AC222 and RD5. I can't believe that RD5, only gets about something around 750k-900k from KTM.
That can't be right
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ayearinmx 9/17/2016 4:26pm
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Think you'd be surprised by how much Herlings is supposedly making in salary

Roczen certainly would be.... if these sources are true of course Wink
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ayearinmx wrote:
Think you'd be surprised by how much Herlings is supposedly making in salary

Roczen certainly would be.... if these sources are true of course Wink
Bro, didn't you know, it's all about how much your agent makes
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Bro, didn't you know, it's all about how much your agent makes
Herlings doesn't have an agent... Cool
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ML512 wrote:
Maybe someone from Europe, or just someone with a better multi-country understanding can help me with this question. Outside of Monaco and the Isle of Man...
Maybe someone from Europe, or just someone with a better multi-country understanding can help me with this question. Outside of Monaco and the Isle of Man, what countries don't collect income tax? And, do any GP riders live in those countries? Similar to how some US riders live in Florida for not only training purposes, but income tax purposes.
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Like you said Florida or Washington state they don't have state income tax. You still pay federal taxes if you live there. With Monico you pay...
Like you said Florida or Washington state they don't have state income tax. You still pay federal taxes if you live there.

With Monico you pay zero taxes all together! So if you make $200k that's what goes into your bank!

I have a friend who, "lives" in Monico for this reason. His home country tax rate is 50%! So it cost him about $20k to become a Monico Citzen and renting a place is about $4k per month but it's still cheaper than paying taxes. Soooo crazy!
You can't become a Monaco resident by renting a place. You have to own. A 350sqft studio cost over a million bucks. When you're a Monaco resident, you don't pay taxes unless you're french. You can be Monaco resident but if you're a french citizen, you pay like you were living in France. As of contracts, I can believe top riders have similar bike contract both in GPs and US but the big difference it's with bonuses. They don't make $100k a win nor $1Mil a championship there and there's only 1 major championship in Europe. MXGP bonuses are close to 250 SX bonuses which aren't as high as 250 MX nor 450 SX & MX bonuses. Bubba or RV make more with their goggle contracts than any GP guy for gear. A Dungey or a RV winning that many races a season and 1 or 2 championship a year would make over twice as much as any GP guy.
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There are plenty of places to park your money.....if your not American!
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You can't become a Monaco resident by renting a place. You have to own. A 350sqft studio cost over a million bucks. When you're a Monaco...
You can't become a Monaco resident by renting a place. You have to own. A 350sqft studio cost over a million bucks. When you're a Monaco resident, you don't pay taxes unless you're french. You can be Monaco resident but if you're a french citizen, you pay like you were living in France. As of contracts, I can believe top riders have similar bike contract both in GPs and US but the big difference it's with bonuses. They don't make $100k a win nor $1Mil a championship there and there's only 1 major championship in Europe. MXGP bonuses are close to 250 SX bonuses which aren't as high as 250 MX nor 450 SX & MX bonuses. Bubba or RV make more with their goggle contracts than any GP guy for gear. A Dungey or a RV winning that many races a season and 1 or 2 championship a year would make over twice as much as any GP guy.
Thanks DV very interesting.

I guess I was wondering if it is the money that makes people want to come over.

The US is a more grueling schedule but I suppose there is a monetary value to that.

I would also imagine that most of the top guys want to come here to prove that they are the best like Roczen and Reed. You will never know if you stay in Europe. Not trying to be a shot across the bow at MXGP but the best come to America and I would think a lot of it is to see how they stack up.

Is that why you came over DV? Was it money? Or wanting to be in America? Or see how you stacked up against the best?

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I heard privateers make nothing for MXGP? Privateers in America can make some $ for good finishes but what's the privateer making in Europe?
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dv12.com wrote:
You can't become a Monaco resident by renting a place. You have to own. A 350sqft studio cost over a million bucks. When you're a Monaco...
You can't become a Monaco resident by renting a place. You have to own. A 350sqft studio cost over a million bucks. When you're a Monaco resident, you don't pay taxes unless you're french. You can be Monaco resident but if you're a french citizen, you pay like you were living in France. As of contracts, I can believe top riders have similar bike contract both in GPs and US but the big difference it's with bonuses. They don't make $100k a win nor $1Mil a championship there and there's only 1 major championship in Europe. MXGP bonuses are close to 250 SX bonuses which aren't as high as 250 MX nor 450 SX & MX bonuses. Bubba or RV make more with their goggle contracts than any GP guy for gear. A Dungey or a RV winning that many races a season and 1 or 2 championship a year would make over twice as much as any GP guy.
So the top Euro's come to America to make more money and not because it is a higher level of racing? Unsure
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Other than Monaco, I believe the only other European country without income tax is The Vatican. Most income tax free countries are middle eastern.
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Thanks DV very interesting. I guess I was wondering if it is the money that makes people want to come over. The US is a more...
Thanks DV very interesting.

I guess I was wondering if it is the money that makes people want to come over.

The US is a more grueling schedule but I suppose there is a monetary value to that.

I would also imagine that most of the top guys want to come here to prove that they are the best like Roczen and Reed. You will never know if you stay in Europe. Not trying to be a shot across the bow at MXGP but the best come to America and I would think a lot of it is to see how they stack up.

Is that why you came over DV? Was it money? Or wanting to be in America? Or see how you stacked up against the best?
He came over for the town cars.
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ML512 wrote:
He came over for the town cars.
Nice oneWoohoo
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ML512 wrote:
Maybe someone from Europe, or just someone with a better multi-country understanding can help me with this question. Outside of Monaco and the Isle of Man...
Maybe someone from Europe, or just someone with a better multi-country understanding can help me with this question. Outside of Monaco and the Isle of Man, what countries don't collect income tax? And, do any GP riders live in those countries? Similar to how some US riders live in Florida for not only training purposes, but income tax purposes.
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Stefan Everts and Eric Geboers lived in Monaco. Dunno about the current racers. About AC222 and RD5. I can't believe that RD5, only gets about something...
Stefan Everts and Eric Geboers lived in Monaco. Dunno about the current racers. About AC222 and RD5. I can't believe that RD5, only gets about something around 750k-900k from KTM.
Windham made more from Suzuki in 2001..,.


Couple mil before bonuses is what I've read.
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At least in most countries you get something for your tax money without massive deductibles and for profit companies refusing to pay your claims and forcing you to set up go fund me's to delay your pending bankruptcy.

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At least in most countries you get something for your tax money without massive deductibles and for profit companies refusing to pay your claims and forcing...
At least in most countries you get something for your tax money without massive deductibles and for profit companies refusing to pay your claims and forcing you to set up go fund me's to delay your pending bankruptcy.

What?
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ML512 wrote:
Maybe someone from Europe, or just someone with a better multi-country understanding can help me with this question. Outside of Monaco and the Isle of Man...
Maybe someone from Europe, or just someone with a better multi-country understanding can help me with this question. Outside of Monaco and the Isle of Man, what countries don't collect income tax? And, do any GP riders live in those countries? Similar to how some US riders live in Florida for not only training purposes, but income tax purposes.
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Stefan Everts and Eric Geboers lived in Monaco. Dunno about the current racers. About AC222 and RD5. I can't believe that RD5, only gets about something...
Stefan Everts and Eric Geboers lived in Monaco. Dunno about the current racers. About AC222 and RD5. I can't believe that RD5, only gets about something around 750k-900k from KTM.
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Windham made more from Suzuki in 2001..,.


Couple mil before bonuses is what I've read.
It was more like $800k from Suzuki.
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ML512 wrote:
He came over for the town cars.
And trophy girls
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And trophy girls
How many trophy girls can you fit into a town car?
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I don't even see why we would compare the income of a rider that does 18 rounds and one that does 29.

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